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Post by bornhoya on Jul 9, 2022 18:53:14 GMT -5
If the other school’s leave the ACC I’m sure the rest would join with the new Big 12 besides maybe Duke and Suckucuse
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jul 9, 2022 19:31:33 GMT -5
If the large public ACC football schools get poached, I would be more than happy to align with Duke, BC, Wake, Syracuse, etc. We fit geographically, academically and are competitive in sports they value like soccer, lacrosse, baseball (now), etc. Of course WE would want to do that - but why would THEY want to align with a school that has no football program and a horribly declined basketball program? If they go fishing for basketball programs, I'd expect they'd look to schools like UCONN and Kansas first (that at least have some semblance of D1 football) and Gonzaga/Villanova next (far superior basketball programs to ours). I recall a rumor floating out there during dissolution of the Old Big East that involved Georgetown moving to the ACC for all sports and Navy joining for football only. I could see the appeal to the ACC. Not saying it was plan A or plan Z then or even something that would fly now, but a possible reason that a non- FBS football Georgetown could fit into the ACC.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 9, 2022 21:44:29 GMT -5
I recall a rumor floating out there during dissolution of the Old Big East that involved Georgetown moving to the ACC for all sports and Navy joining for football only. I could see the appeal to the ACC. Not saying it was plan A or plan Z then or even something that would fly now, but a possible reason that a non- FBS football Georgetown could fit into the ACC. There are two rumors that have floated since 2012 but neither fit the timeline of that month: 1) a Georgetown/Navy tandem, and 2) a full Georgetown addition with a binding commitment to play ACC football within an agreed-upon number of years. Here's why these rumors are just that: 1. On Monday, Nov. 19, 2012, Maryland gave notice to the ACC it was leaving effective July 1, 2014, an announcement as unexpected as the USC/UCLA news of this month. As has been noted publicly, the Maryland board of regents were given only 24 hours advance notice of a vote, so the ACC had no reason to ever consider another DC area team until that date. 2. The ACC presidents met either on Sunday, Nov. 25 or Monday Nov. 26 (the previous week being Thanksgiving) to advance a new candidate. Since due diligence had already been done with every remaining Big East football school (UConn, Cincinnati, Louisville, South Florida, Temple), Louisville was selected over the presumptive favorite (Connecticut), and UL's president was notified early Tuesday, Nov. 27. Louisville would play the 2013 season in the Big East/AAC and join July 1, 2014. 3. Not only did the ACC staff have no time to create a detailed proposal over a Thanksgiving weekend for an entrant no one had ever planned for, but Georgetown was never in the consideration set to begin with. The ACC would take a direct reduction in payments from the ESPN contract if it had reduced the number of contracted conference games with a school that did not play ACC football, or would commit to do so later, so there was a strong financial reason to add a school who could immediately fulfill Maryland's portion of the football contract in 2014. Remember, ND was an add-on for basketball, but the ACC had contracted for 14 schools for football at that time. 4. One week later, the Big East announced on November 27 it was replacing Louisville with Tulane. This was reported to be the move that accelerated the discussions on Georgetown leaving the conference as announced on Dec. 12. At that point, the ACC was already set for 14.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 9, 2022 22:56:26 GMT -5
Conferences are now fluid. I hope we make some advantageous decisions.
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Post by daveg023 on Jul 10, 2022 5:41:48 GMT -5
Honestly the way this is going, football at the highest level is just going to break off from the NCAA and be a standalone entity for the 40-50 biggest teams. Players may get contracts, there may be no requirement to be students, etc.
If that happens, then maybe every other sport (basketball included) stays under the NCAA umbrella and can operate within a conference structure that makes sense. Unfortunately the speed at which things are moving is forcing schools to feel they have to make a move in fear they'll be left behind if they don't.
I worry that once we get to this point where this football model exists, there may not even be conferences anymore that make sense for the other 20+ collegiate sports.
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Post by miracles87 on Jul 10, 2022 9:30:34 GMT -5
Conferences are now fluid. I hope we make some advantageous decisions. There are no football teams that matter in the Big East, I think that’s almost the point of the current membership. Be interesting to see if it gets broken up anyway.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 10, 2022 13:09:36 GMT -5
Conferences are now fluid. I hope we make some advantageous decisions. There are no football teams that matter in the Big East, I think that’s almost the point of the current membership. Be interesting to see if it gets broken up anyway. Nothing lasts forever, except maybe the Ivy League. 😉 My dream would be for the Ivies to take Duke & GU. Our Catholic affiliation may be a dealbreaker though.
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 10, 2022 13:53:24 GMT -5
Possible future. 1. SEC and BIG settle at about 16 teams apiece. 2. The two conferences restrict OOC games to the other conference. 3. They break away from NCAA and any prior championship arrangements such as football championship and March Madness. 4. Declare football and basketball championships will pit best of SEC and BIG teams, shutting out all others.
This would effectively eliminate Georgetown as a major basketball team.
Sounds extreme but what's to stop them ?
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 10, 2022 14:01:42 GMT -5
Realistically I don’t think having a couple good schools in the a conference actually moves the needle much in either direction. However if a conference were composed of entirely pretty much elite schools such as Stanford, GU, Duke, Rice, Cal, Northwestern, Villanova, BC, ND (even if excluding football go an extent), wake, maybe both of army and navy, etc THEN I would be like yes that would be interesting
Although you might then run some risk of being called wanna be Ivy or some dumb thing so you need a good name. But I wouldn’t worry too much about that because several of those schools I named are usually placed above some if not most ivies in at least one school/department if not overall as a university. Also we all would actually give scholarships and be competitive on the national stage in basketball with multiple teams and football in the right circumstances. All of this is a hypothetical train of thought while sitting on an actual train but I would probably join that league if it some fell from the sky and could work. But I think the Big East can stay together through this and maybe expand esp with Wright gone which takes away the biggest reason why someone might want Villanova to upgrade everything in football to leave.
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Post by daveg023 on Jul 10, 2022 20:04:23 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 10, 2022 21:22:04 GMT -5
UConn would leave the BE in a second.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Jul 11, 2022 0:53:50 GMT -5
I don't think I have ever heard of someone given every advantage in life, and failed so badly at every level, than Jim Mora JR (UCLA alum here btw)
Him becoming the HC at UCONN is the definition of water finding its level.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 11, 2022 10:35:23 GMT -5
For those of you who don't frequent the "Front Page" - here is a tweet that links to a commentary on this topic:
I guess, before Zuckerberg appropriated the term, you could say this post is meta.
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Post by TC on Jul 11, 2022 13:00:06 GMT -5
Georgetown isn't pulling its weight in the Big East - I think people are underselling the risk that at some point, teams like Xavier/Butler/Villanova/Creighton/Providence cut bait on DePaul/Georgetown/St. John's.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 11, 2022 13:17:57 GMT -5
Georgetown isn't pulling its weight in the Big East - I think people are underselling the risk that at some point, teams like Xavier/Butler/Villanova/Creighton/Providence cut bait on DePaul/Georgetown/St. John's. I see very little risk. More than happy to part ways with Butler, Creighton and Xavier. Need to look beyond just mens basketball.
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Post by miracles87 on Jul 11, 2022 13:57:44 GMT -5
Georgetown isn't pulling its weight in the Big East - I think people are underselling the risk that at some point, teams like Xavier/Butler/Villanova/Creighton/Providence cut bait on DePaul/Georgetown/St. John's. I see very little risk. More than happy to part ways with Butler, Creighton and Xavier. Need to look beyond just mens basketball. Those pesky rumors about razing the hospital for a 40,000 seat stadium on Reservoir street get louder and louder! Not
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 11, 2022 14:32:43 GMT -5
Unless the ACC really begins to implode beyond Clemson, and a few other schools, I don't see the ACC taking schools from the Big East. They don't have football, and so they add nothing of benefit when it comes to football money on TV contracts. And, the incentive to join is not there for any of the Big East teams if they are not getting more money, other than Connecticut which could get football money.
Let's see what happens. I don't think EasyEd's scenario of the top football schools banding together and ditching the NCAA eventually is that far fetched. If that happened, the NCAA tournament would be destroyed. A tournament made up of only good schools without cinderellas wouldn't be nearly as marketable. It'd basically be the NBA playoffs with worse teams.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 11, 2022 15:04:30 GMT -5
A basketball tournament with only SEC & B1G schools would be a conference championship, not a national championship. The ACC could withstand the loss of two schools, but not four. UConn will be marketing themselves wildly to join.
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Post by daveg023 on Jul 11, 2022 16:04:26 GMT -5
A basketball tournament with only SEC & B1G school would be a conference championship, not a national championship. The ACC could withstand the loss of two schools, but not four. UConn will be marketing themselves wildly to join. Didn’t we put in a large exit fee in for UConn this go around?
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 11, 2022 16:09:34 GMT -5
A basketball tournament with only SEC & B1G school would be a conference championship, not a national championship. The ACC could withstand the loss of two schools, but not four. UConn will be marketing themselves wildly to join. Didn’t we put in a large exit fee in for UConn this go around? If UConn decides to leave the Big East, it will have to pay a hefty fee. The terms of the contract state that UConn will be responsible for paying the conference $30 million if it withdraws within the first six years of membership. If the school bails within a three-year period after that, $15 million is owed. After 10 years, UConn would owe $10 million. A withdrawal fee can be split up into four payments, if necessary. SOURCE: Hartford Courant, July 27, 2019
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