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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Aug 14, 2023 10:51:02 GMT -5
The ACC will unravel like the PAC-12. If not now, in the next few years. I hope the Big East can take advantage. The Big East Tournament would absolutely rock with Syracuse, Duke and BC. 🔥
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 14, 2023 10:55:34 GMT -5
The ACC will unravel like the PAC-12. If not now, in the next few years. I hope the Big East can take advantage. The Big East Tournament would absolutely rock with Syracuse, Duke and BC. 🔥 Yeah no question ACC is a dying giant. Once fsu and Clemson leave for the big ten and sec it will collapse. We know which team we want from the ACC , its only a matter of time.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Aug 14, 2023 11:48:20 GMT -5
The ACC will unravel like the PAC-12. If not now, in the next few years. I hope the Big East can take advantage. The Big East Tournament would absolutely rock with Syracuse, Duke and BC. 🔥 You had me until BC. F those guys.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Aug 14, 2023 12:09:35 GMT -5
The ACC will unravel like the PAC-12. If not now, in the next few years. I hope the Big East can take advantage. The Big East Tournament would absolutely rock with Syracuse, Duke and BC. 🔥 You had me until BC. F those guys. There's probably too many cooks in the kitchen for it to happen, but I wish that everyone would have the good sense to just form separate conferences for football (and maybe men's basketball) from those for other sports. The television revenue from rights fees are going almost exclusively for football (some for basketball). I know carriage fees are significant too, but those are becoming less so and in any event are based in large measure on the revenue sports. So have these behemoths for football (maybe men's bball too), and fully regionalize everything else. I would think that would make sense and be preferable to the vast majority of coaches, players, alumni, parents, etc in those sports. And the admins surely would appreciate the lower costs and academics the lessened travel.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Aug 14, 2023 14:22:26 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, I think there's actually an NCAA rule that forbids that. Something along the lines of "you have to put all of your sports into one conference, but if you have a sport that your league doesn't sponsor, then you can put that one sport elsewhere." I would imagine without such a rule, universities would jump at the opportunity to decouple football conference affiliations from all-sports affiliations.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 14, 2023 15:08:42 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, I think there's actually an NCAA rule that forbids that. Something along the lines of "you have to put all of your sports into one conference, but if you have a sport that your league doesn't sponsor, then you can put that one sport elsewhere." I would imagine without such a rule, universities would jump at the opportunity to decouple football conference affiliations from all-sports affiliations. It's not an NCAA rule but conferences generally require a member school to compete in tthe sports the conference does. Before the Patriot League added track, for example, Army and Navy competed with the Ivy schools in what were known as the Heptagonal Championships. Some conferences require a school to play specific sports to be admitted; football, for example, is required to join the ACC. But it's up to the conference: Miami joined the Big East in 1991 but never played Big East baseball.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Aug 14, 2023 16:10:04 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, I think there's actually an NCAA rule that forbids that. Something along the lines of "you have to put all of your sports into one conference, but if you have a sport that your league doesn't sponsor, then you can put that one sport elsewhere." I would imagine without such a rule, universities would jump at the opportunity to decouple football conference affiliations from all-sports affiliations. It's not an NCAA rule but conferences generally require a member school to compete in tthe sports the conference does. Before the Patriot League added track, for example, Army and Navy competed with the Ivy schools in what were known as the Heptagonal Championships. Some conferences require a school to play specific sports to be admitted; football, for example, is required to join the ACC. But it's up to the conference: Miami joined the Big East in 1991 but never played Big East baseball. And I get that all things being equal it would be better to be somewhere for all sports. Continuity and rivalries are good. I also get that a specific sport (even non revenue) may feel that attachment to a big name conference helps in recruitment even if the conference isn't "big" in their sport. But it's short sighted. Having our softball and women's volleyball teams travel to DePaul and Creighton and vice versa doesn't seem sensical when they could be in conferences with local teams of similar competitive level. It's never going to be perfect. It could easily be a lot better.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Aug 14, 2023 16:14:18 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, I think there's actually an NCAA rule that forbids that. Something along the lines of "you have to put all of your sports into one conference, but if you have a sport that your league doesn't sponsor, then you can put that one sport elsewhere." I would imagine without such a rule, universities would jump at the opportunity to decouple football conference affiliations from all-sports affiliations. You may be thinking of the Divisional rule. If you are D2 or D3 you can have one sport but only one sport be D1. The Johns Hopkins lacrosse rule. I think it has gotten more permissive over time but I have always thought that is pretty stupid too. Why not allow a school (particularly a small one like Wake or even us) to be in different divisions for different sports. Who cares?
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Post by hoyaguy on Aug 14, 2023 16:57:47 GMT -5
The ACC will unravel like the PAC-12. If not now, in the next few years. I hope the Big East can take advantage. The Big East Tournament would absolutely rock with Syracuse, Duke and BC. 🔥 You had me until BC. F those guys. Yeah like why even add them in general, if we’ve been bad in the last 10+ years then BC has been a dumpster
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Post by CTHoya08 on Aug 15, 2023 4:31:17 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, I think there's actually an NCAA rule that forbids that. Something along the lines of "you have to put all of your sports into one conference, but if you have a sport that your league doesn't sponsor, then you can put that one sport elsewhere." I would imagine without such a rule, universities would jump at the opportunity to decouple football conference affiliations from all-sports affiliations. You may be thinking of the Divisional rule. If you are D2 or D3 you can have one sport but only one sport be D1. The Johns Hopkins lacrosse rule. I think it has gotten more permissive over time but I have always thought that is pretty stupid too. Why not allow a school (particularly a small one like Wake or even us) to be in different divisions for different sports. Who cares? I always thought there was a conference rule as well, but I see that I was mistaken. I also think the all-sports-in-one-division rule is silly, but it has a bit more merit in my mind. Most of the examples of schools that got the waiver or were grandfathered in or whatever are D3 schools that “play up” in sports like hockey or lacrosse—sports that kind of sit on the fence between the “revenue” sports and “non-revenue” sports. Without the rule, though, I’d think the situation would be gameable and could really wreak havoc on D3 sports. For example, from an institutional perspective, is there really a huge difference between D1 and D3 for the Olympic sports? They’re not bringing in major revenue under either classification. The athletes really are using their sport as a means to an education, rather than biding their time in college (“in college”) until eligible for a professional career. And while some scholarships are available at the D1 level, we’re not talking about full rides for the whole team. So it’s not hard for me to imagine a school with FBS football dropping its other sports to D3 but then leveraging its facilities, name recognition, etc. to bring in “D1” recruits and crush the “real” D3 schools. Anyway, I’ve gotten far afield here.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 18, 2023 4:12:04 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 21, 2023 13:20:57 GMT -5
CBS Sports college basketball insiders Gary Parrish and Matt Norlander spent a month surveying 100-plus Division I men's basketball coaches for our annual Candid Coaches series. They polled across the sport's landscape: some of the biggest names in college basketball, but also small-school assistants in low-major leagues. Coaches agreed to share unfiltered opinions in exchange for anonymity. We asked them 10 questions, and will post the results over a three-week span. Nearly all universities with Division I football programs would eagerly join what's traditionally been called a "Power Five" conference if given the opportunity. But would UConn do it? And should UConn do it? www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/candid-coaches-is-it-better-for-uconn-to-stay-in-the-big-east-or-try-to-join-the-big-12-or-acc/
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 22, 2023 13:29:33 GMT -5
L.M.F.A.O.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Aug 22, 2023 13:47:08 GMT -5
LOL at the idea anyone with any say in realignment cares a whit about what a women's soccer coach thinks.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 22, 2023 22:44:43 GMT -5
LOL at the idea anyone with any say in realignment cares a whit about what a women's soccer coach thinks. Anson Dorrance is sort of in a category of his own and actually does have some sway within UNC - winning 22 of the 31 national titles ever awarded AND the first Women's World Cup back in 1991 will do that. But UNC isn't really in the driver's seat of all this anyway - they're not in any danger of being outside of a power conference, but they're not dictating terms either.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 23, 2023 23:30:39 GMT -5
Big East looking better all the time.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 24, 2023 4:12:57 GMT -5
Interesting
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Post by CTHoya08 on Aug 24, 2023 4:46:19 GMT -5
I guess the thought is that adding enough new members means the league won’t fold if/when it gets raided, which might in turn reduce the chance of the raid even happening?
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Post by hoyaguy on Aug 25, 2023 19:28:16 GMT -5
I guess the thought is that adding enough new members means the league won’t fold if/when it gets raided, which might in turn reduce the chance of the raid even happening? Yeah that is the thought process I think because clearly a significant contingency of the ACC wants to leave and this ensures that they will not have enough votes. The goal at this point is to just survive until the grant of rights ends. If it is true about SMU, is the ACC money so much more that it is worth forgoing 7 years of media money? Even if it is, that is a massive gamble. What is funny is that if the ACC gets massacred and UCONN wants some "power" football they can move there which would essentially become AAC 2.0 lol
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 31, 2023 20:53:44 GMT -5
No surprise, UNC remains opposed to ACC expansion
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