New Downtown Campus Building

[RusskyHoya]

Apparently Georgetown 2030 will include...the Darth Vader building. Maybe we are looking to collect all the most dystopian real estate in DC. If that's the case, then surely the acquisition of UDC can't be too far behind lol

[SSHoya]

Sept 25, 2021 9:17:35 GMT -5 RusskyHoya said:

Apparently Georgetown 2030 will include...the Darth Vader building. Maybe we are looking to collect all the most dystopian real estate in DC. If that's the case, then surely the acquisition of UDC can't be too far behind lol

Reminds me of one of my former client agency's buildings Ops 2A and 2B at Ft. Meade.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-08/the-dark-architecture-of-the-national-security-state

[Bigs"R"Us]

Worth every penny if we officially named it the Darth Vader building vs. after some donor. Queue music.

[DFW HOYA]

Sept 25, 2021 9:17:35 GMT -5 RusskyHoya said:

Apparently Georgetown 2030 will include...the Darth Vader building. Maybe we are looking to collect all the most dystopian real estate in DC. If that's the case, then surely the acquisition of UDC can't be too far behind lol

From the article:

"Georgetown expects “a mix of academic and administrative uses” for the building, according to an Aug. 5 filing from the university’s land-use attorneys at Goulston & Storrs PC, though that will require some interior renovations to “adapt the existing office space in the building for academic uses such as classrooms and meeting spaces.” The university’s goal is to have it ready for students and staff in time for the fall 2022 semester."

Sounds like a great pick-up. Finding 325,000 SF of contiguous (and secure) space for classrooms and office space in DC is nothing short of remarkable. That's four times the size of the Car Barn, 100,000 SF larger than the ICC, or more than twice the size of Yates. Now, the question: what do they want to do with it? Law doesn't need that much space. SCS is still over on Mass Ave. Any ideas?

Three contenders:

1. It's more for the McCourt School
2. It's a LOT of staff moving off Main Campus
3. It's the School of Health

[RusskyHoya]

Sept 25, 2021 16:10:30 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Sept 25, 2021 9:17:35 GMT -5 RusskyHoya said:

Apparently Georgetown 2030 will include...the Darth Vader building. Maybe we are looking to collect all the most dystopian real estate in DC. If that's the case, then surely the acquisition of UDC can't be too far behind lol

Now, the question: what do they want to do with it? Law doesn't need that much space. SCS is still over on Mass Ave. Any ideas?

Three contenders:

1. It's more for the McCourt School
2. It's a LOT of staff moving off Main Campus
3. It's the School of Health

The Darth Vader building is 111 Massachusetts Avenue NW - it's three blocks from the SCS.

Anyway, the Harris Building up on Whitehaven Street is going away:
www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2021/08/16/site-near-observatory-circle-primed-for-redevelopm.html

So presumably this building will be hosting some or all of the refugees from there, in addition to other 'Georgetown Downtown' programs and functions.

[nbhoya]

I’m still confused as to the role of SCS beyond being a cash cow. I’m not sure it’s additive to the school’s reputation.

[DFW HOYA]

Sept 27, 2021 20:03:18 GMT -5 nbhoya said:

I’m still confused as to the role of SCS beyond being a cash cow. I’m not sure it’s additive to the school’s reputation.

It's an interesting discussion but there is no doubt that SCS has quietly become the largest degree and certificate-granting school in the University.

Here are the numbers of degree recipients in 2017 per the current Georgetown web site. It is assumed to be consistent today.

Baccalaureate (CAS, SFS, MSB, NHS): 1,801
Doctoral – Research/Scholarship: 124
Doctoral: Professional Practice: 859
Masters (MBA, SCS, McCourt, some grad school): 3,750
Total: 6,534

[nbhoya]

Sept 29, 2021 19:35:01 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Sept 27, 2021 20:03:18 GMT -5 nbhoya said:

I’m still confused as to the role of SCS beyond being a cash cow. I’m not sure it’s additive to the school’s reputation.

It's an interesting discussion but there is no doubt that SCS has quietly become the largest degree-granting school in the University.

Here are the numbers of degree recipients in 2017 per the current Georgetown web site. It is assumed to be consistent today.

Baccalaureate (CAS, SFS, MSB, NHS): 1,801
Doctoral – Research/Scholarship: 124
Doctoral: Professional Practice: 859
Masters (mostly SCS, some grad school): 3,750
Total: 6,534

We definitely need to bifurcate the Graduate School and SCS in this discussion.

From my view, the Graduate School, which is located IN Georgetown and is part of the traditional Georgetown campus, matriculates students who largely would be peers of Georgetown undergrad students. We can’t say the same of SCS which is removed, downtown, and has much more lax admissions standards and lacks in academic rigor.

[DFW HOYA]

Sept 30, 2021 10:22:41 GMT -5 nbhoya said:

We definitely need to bifurcate the Graduate School and SCS in this discussion.

From my view, the Graduate School, which is located IN Georgetown and is part of the traditional Georgetown campus, matriculates students who largely would be peers of Georgetown undergrad students. We can’t say the same of SCS which is removed, downtown, and has much more lax admissions standards and lacks in academic rigor.

Like many things at Georgetown, it's murky. "Graduate" could variously include the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences, MSFS, MBA, MS/EML, the graduate degree in nursing (including a sizeable 100% online program), McCourt, or SCS.

The certificate program gets even cloudier. Certificate holders aren't "alumni" by a strict definition but are paying students all the same, since they can study anywhere from one week to two years and receive some recognition as a "graduate". It's difficult to find good numbers as to numbers of students in the certificate programs--no requirement to complete, of course, but tuition just the same--a certificate (not degree) in business administration starts at $6,000. A three day certificate in project management is $2,995.

I found a site which reports to list degree recipients at Georgetown by major--even this takes some parsing because one undergraduate degree may be in one school and the graduate program is in another. Some of the numbers are enlightening, highlighting the rise of some traditional undergraduate majors and the relative decline of others.

www.scholarships.com/colleges/georgetown-university/degrees-conferred/

[DFW HOYA]

On Friday, Rice announced a $2 billion campaign. Great use of narration.

[RusskyHoya]

I didn't realize this dude was 32. Wow.

[RusskyHoya]

Sept 30, 2021 11:30:02 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Sept 30, 2021 10:22:41 GMT -5 nbhoya said:

We definitely need to bifurcate the Graduate School and SCS in this discussion.

From my view, the Graduate School, which is located IN Georgetown and is part of the traditional Georgetown campus, matriculates students who largely would be peers of Georgetown undergrad students. We can’t say the same of SCS which is removed, downtown, and has much more lax admissions standards and lacks in academic rigor.

Like many things at Georgetown, it's murky. "Graduate" could variously include the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences, MSFS, MBA, MS/EML, the graduate degree in nursing (including a sizeable 100% online program), McCourt, or SCS.

Just FYI, all SFS master's programs are administratively part of the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences. The Graduate School levies a tax on the SFS in exchange for various administrative services, e.g., admissions paperwork management and various other things. When you graduate, you get both the Graduate School Dean's signature and the SFS Dean's signature on your diploma, e.g., my MA in Security Studies has 5 signatures - Ed Villani, DeGioia, Jim O'Donnell, Tim Barbari (now the dean of graduate studies at his alma mater, the Colorado School of Mines), and Bob Gallucci.

[DFW HOYA]

Dec 25, 2021 17:55:57 GMT -5 RusskyHoya said:

Just FYI, all SFS master's programs are administratively part of the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences. The Graduate School levies a tax on the SFS in exchange for various administrative services, e.g., admissions paperwork management and various other things. When you graduate, you get both the Graduate School Dean's signature and the SFS Dean's signature on your diploma, e.g., my MA in Security Studies has 5 signatures - Ed Villani, DeGioia, Jim O'Donnell, Tim Barbari (now the dean of graduate studies at his alma mater, the Colorado School of Mines), and Bob Gallucci.

Good to know. Is this the same for Nursing graduate degrees? I'm guessing MBA is more closely tied to MSB, however.

[RusskyHoya]

Dec 25, 2021 20:53:54 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Dec 25, 2021 17:55:57 GMT -5 RusskyHoya said:

Just FYI, all SFS master's programs are administratively part of the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences. The Graduate School levies a tax on the SFS in exchange for various administrative services, e.g., admissions paperwork management and various other things. When you graduate, you get both the Graduate School Dean's signature and the SFS Dean's signature on your diploma, e.g., my MA in Security Studies has 5 signatures - Ed Villani, DeGioia, Jim O'Donnell, Tim Barbari (now the dean of graduate studies at his alma mater, the Colorado School of Mines), and Bob Gallucci.

Good to know. Is this the same for Nursing graduate degrees? I'm guessing MBA is more closely tied to MSB, however.

Good question... I think it's probably the other way around? I know that MBAs have the Grad School Dean's signature on them, and the rationale they always gave us (I was on the staff of the Security Studies Program/Center for [Peace and] Security Studies for ~3.5 years) was that there were efficiencies to having admissions, academic policies, various registrar-type functions, commencement, etc. handled by the Graduate School, so the same may well make sense for MSB as well.

Meanwhile, the administrative chain that falls under the dual-hatted Executive Vice President for Health Sciences and Executive Dean of the School of Medicine runs all the biomedical master's programs, so I figure NHS (soon to be, if not already(?) SoN and SoHS) falls under that? I don't think I know anyone with an MSN from Georgetown, sorry.

[DFW HOYA]

Rice isn't the only school offering free tuition to families under $100K.

[hoyaguy]

Good for them, glad some people in power in this country are turning on their brains and actually walking the walk instead of just talking, people need options and some other dominoes may begin to fall

[DFW HOYA]

The kind of story that keeps development officers awake at night: Venture capitalist John Doerr is donating $1.1 billion to Stanford. And he's not even an alumnus.

www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/climate/john-doerr-stanford-climate.html?referringSource=articleShare

[RusskyHoya]

May 4, 2022 19:43:22 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

The kind of story that keeps development officers awake at night: Venture capitalist John Doerr is donating $1.1 billion to Stanford. And he's not even an alumnus.

www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/climate/john-doerr-stanford-climate.html?referringSource=articleShare

Would be interesting to know to what extent he shopped this around, as opposed to just picking Stanford because it's the premier brand in his home area.

I also can't help but think about the fact that this money won't go as far in Silicon Valley as it could elsewhere due to the psychotic housing market in the area that is only getting worse (and is, of course, deeply interconnected with climate change).

[Bigs"R"Us]

Do you think GU could properly manage a billion dollar donation? It would catapult our meager endowment.

[RusskyHoya]

Georgetown University is putting the final touches on its new student apartments on H Street NW, a project the institution’s officials say is the first piece of a larger plan to expand its presence outside of its traditional home base.

The 237,000-square-foot building at 55 H St. NW near Union Station includes 11 stories of communal kitchen spaces, study rooms, student apartments for undergraduate and graduate students, and a fitness center. Construction is wrapping up now, and the building will be open for 477 students in August, university spokesman Jason Shevrin said.

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The new apartment building is nearly a mile from the Georgetown University Law Center at 600 New Jersey Ave. NW and a mile away from its School of Continuing Studies at 640 Massachusetts Ave. NW. In December, Georgetown paid $85 million to acquire the office building at 111 Massachusetts Ave. NW, which it expected to use for “a mix of academic and administrative uses," it said in paperwork filed with the city. In 2019, it paid $70 million for a 130,000-square-foot office building at 500 First St. NW.

The law school has its own separately managed housing, Huff said, but besides that, this new building on H Street is the university’s first housing venture outside of the Georgetown neighborhood, Huff said.

The university will provide a shuttle for students to get back and forth from Georgetown’s main “Hilltop” campus, Huff added.

Georgetown will have four full-time employees living and working in the building, in addition to a faculty-in-residence and a residential minister, Huff said. A small group of 47 undergraduate students will also live in the building, reserved through Georgetown’s Capital Applied Learning Lab program, through which students live and study in downtown D.C.

Weird error in the copy there - 55 H Street NW is not a mile from GULC, it's like a few hundred yards away.