Omega
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Post by Omega on May 24, 2022 11:45:31 GMT -5
With Heath and Murray in the fold (far before Carey chose UMD) - a Center was a much bigger need than SG. Additionally, UMD wanted Q to stay - so if we are implying they waived him then we must've done the same with Carey since we recruited over him yet wanted him to stay, right? I think if UMD wanted Q to stay originally when Willard came in, they would have made that happen. It kind of seemed like when the C market evaporated, they decided he'd be a good backup. Also, we didn't recruit over Carey - other than Murray none of our adds are as good as Carey, and we don't know if Heath will be eligible or not. Man it must be getting harder to continue to come up with mashugana. The Hoyas just landed a proven Power 5 center and folks wanna continue with their mental gymnastics...
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on May 24, 2022 11:48:33 GMT -5
So let me get this right. The guy leaves because for whatever reason he wasn't happy at GU. He goes to a school where he should have made a difference but was basically ignored. Decides to come back to GU where what? He gets more pt than he did at Maryland? Becomes the monster big man we thought he'd become? Takes us to the tourney and gets drafted by NBA? I'm not excited and only reason to be at all happy about him coming back is that he obviously is an improvement over Iggy and gives us 5 more fouls at the 5.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 24, 2022 11:51:42 GMT -5
So let me get this right. The guy leaves because for whatever reason he wasn't happy at GU. He goes to a school where he should have made a difference but was basically ignored. Decides to come back to GU where what? He gets more pt than he did at Maryland? Becomes the monster big man we thought he'd become? Takes us to the tourney and gets drafted by NBA? I'm not excited and only reason to be at all happy about him coming back is that he obviously is an improvement over Iggy and gives us 5 more fouls at the 5. Quigs, I feel a bit of this too. In reading that piece that he was considering the Ignite team, it is clear he is focused just on the league. He even said so in his announcement about his goals. Absolutely nothing wrong with that but what is wrong with just being a really good college player? I honestly feel like Q's potential is to be a good college player and then play in Europe and make money. There is no shame in that. The ceiling for Ryan might be the same. Are we getting Q for one year to maybe get us to the tourney and then he is out again (still without a degree)? If so, I am just not that fired up about this one way or the other.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on May 24, 2022 12:48:01 GMT -5
Our offense is going to be a million times better because of Q. Think of all the scoring droughts we had last year that could have been mitigated if we had a reliable big man to dump the ball to.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on May 24, 2022 13:29:00 GMT -5
Our offense is going to be a million times better because of Q. Think of all the scoring droughts we had last year that could have been mitigated if we had a reliable big man to dump the ball to. I’m not worry about offense. Do you feel Wahab is a better defensive player than Ezewiro in your opinion?
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TC
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Post by TC on May 24, 2022 14:06:13 GMT -5
Our offense is going to be a million times better because of Q. Think of all the scoring droughts we had last year that could have been mitigated if we had a reliable big man to dump the ball to. I’m not worry about offense. Do you feel Wahab is a better defensive player than Ezewiro in your opinion? That's a really tough one. Qudus Wahab has started 63 NCAA games, was a rebounding leader and a blocked shot leader in the Big East in 2021, and basically our program collapsed last year without him. On the other hand, you have Ezewiro - his resume is three garbage time dunks. Gonna go with Wahab on this one.
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on May 24, 2022 15:53:35 GMT -5
Does anyone know when the players report to campus for "summer school"? I always thought it was sometime in early June. I know that usually the entire team is there to get a few summer classes out of the way and to start practicing as a unit and playing pick up games. It would be great hear some early reports on how each player is doing and how all these new guys look.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on May 24, 2022 17:32:20 GMT -5
I’m not worry about offense. Do you feel Wahab is a better defensive player than Ezewiro in your opinion? That's a really tough one. Qudus Wahab has started 63 NCAA games, was a rebounding leader and a blocked shot leader in the Big East in 2021, and basically our program collapsed last year without him. On the other hand, you have Ezewiro - his resume is three garbage time dunks. Gonna go with Wahab on this one. TC, I see you selected the most experienced player. I have no argument with your analysis. Let’s see how training camp pans out between Ezewiro and Wahab.
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on May 24, 2022 17:55:59 GMT -5
Maryland has Julian Reese and is the favorite to land Efe, the WSU transfer. Wahab returning there was not viable. Wahab is a high major player, so obviously his addition helps when half the roster consists of players who may not be high major material.
We can’t be selective. We went 0fer last season and still lacking in talent. Definitely take Q back.
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Omega
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Post by Omega on May 24, 2022 18:41:33 GMT -5
That's a really tough one. Qudus Wahab has started 63 NCAA games, was a rebounding leader and a blocked shot leader in the Big East in 2021, and basically our program collapsed last year without him. On the other hand, you have Ezewiro - his resume is three garbage time dunks. Gonna go with Wahab on this one. TC, I see you selected the most experienced player. I have no argument with your analysis. Let’s see how training camp pans out between Ezewiro and Wahab. Um aren't they on the same team? Thus it doesn't matter. One will play starter minutes and the other won't..
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Post by daytonahoya31 on May 24, 2022 19:10:22 GMT -5
With Heath and Murray in the fold (far before Carey chose UMD) - a Center was a much bigger need than SG. Additionally, UMD wanted Q to stay - so if we are implying they waived him then we must've done the same with Carey since we recruited over him yet wanted him to stay, right? I think if UMD wanted Q to stay originally when Willard came in, they would have made that happen. It kind of seemed like when the C market evaporated, they decided he'd be a good backup. Also, we didn't recruit over Carey - other than Murray none of our adds are as good as Carey, and we don't know if Heath will be eligible or not. Murray and Heath are better basketball players than Carey. Without question. Carey is probably a better basketball player at this point than Spears. He’s nowhere near the raw talent or upside that spears is. My question: why is it so difficult to acknowledge the obvious strides the staff made in the transfer market? There are multiple other very fair criticisms and questions to be asked and talked about, other than being willfully obtuse about the very obvious and significant talent spike of the roster
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 19:22:35 GMT -5
I think if UMD wanted Q to stay originally when Willard came in, they would have made that happen. It kind of seemed like when the C market evaporated, they decided he'd be a good backup. Also, we didn't recruit over Carey - other than Murray none of our adds are as good as Carey, and we don't know if Heath will be eligible or not. Murray and Heath are better basketball players than Carey. Without question. Carey is probably a better basketball player at this point than Spears. He’s nowhere near the raw talent or upside that spears is. My question: why is it so difficult to acknowledge the obvious strides the staff made in the transfer market? There are multiple other very fair criticisms and questions to be asked and talked about, other than being willfully obtuse about the very obvious and significant talent spike of the roster Probably because it’s the same story every offseason about how this is finally the group of athletes that can finally play the way Ewing wants to play. And then, every year, the team is horrible, the players are blamed for being talentless, 90% of the team transfers out, and then a whole new group of unknowns get to come in and save the day. Why should anyone with a brain expect this to be different? This team may not be 0-20 bad but they’ll be bad because their leadership is bad. But, after this upcoming season is another failure, they’ll get run out of school and the excuses for their coach will flow freely. It’s the Georgetown way.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on May 24, 2022 19:29:56 GMT -5
Murray and Heath are better basketball players than Carey. Without question. Carey is probably a better basketball player at this point than Spears. He’s nowhere near the raw talent or upside that spears is. My question: why is it so difficult to acknowledge the obvious strides the staff made in the transfer market? There are multiple other very fair criticisms and questions to be asked and talked about, other than being willfully obtuse about the very obvious and significant talent spike of the roster Probably because it’s the same story every offseason about how this is finally the group of athletes that can finally play the way Ewing wants to play. And then, every year, the team is horrible, the players are blamed for being talentless, 90% of the team transfers out, and then a whole new group of unknowns get to come in and save the day. Why should anyone with a brain expect this to be different? This team may not be 0-20 bad but they’ll be bad because their leadership is bad. But, after this upcoming season is another failure, they’ll get run out of school and the excuses for their coach will flow freely. It’s the Georgetown way. I don’t deny at all that there are fair questions as to how the talent will be handled and coached. But in terms of talent, at very worst, this is the second most talented team Georgetown will have had since 2013….there is significant talent and depth and versatility at every spot. There is (IMO) a future NBA player on the roster. There is versatility and shooting. There isn’t an obvious area of basketball that I look on this roster and say yeah we are really lacking there
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on May 24, 2022 19:31:28 GMT -5
Murray and Heath are better basketball players than Carey. Without question. Carey is probably a better basketball player at this point than Spears. He’s nowhere near the raw talent or upside that spears is. My question: why is it so difficult to acknowledge the obvious strides the staff made in the transfer market? There are multiple other very fair criticisms and questions to be asked and talked about, other than being willfully obtuse about the very obvious and significant talent spike of the roster Probably because it’s the same story every offseason about how this is finally the group of athletes that can finally play the way Ewing wants to play. And then, every year, the team is horrible, the players are blamed for being talentless, 90% of the team transfers out, and then a whole new group of unknowns get to come in and save the day. Why should anyone with a brain expect this to be different? Because it is different and you won't see it? There's certainly a coaching question mark here, but the cast of characters is entirely different. I know exaggeration is part of your approach ( every year the team is horrible) but the past is not always prologue. I'm not convinced that coaching alone will win us games, but the mix of talent might.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 19:58:40 GMT -5
Probably because it’s the same story every offseason about how this is finally the group of athletes that can finally play the way Ewing wants to play. And then, every year, the team is horrible, the players are blamed for being talentless, 90% of the team transfers out, and then a whole new group of unknowns get to come in and save the day. Why should anyone with a brain expect this to be different? This team may not be 0-20 bad but they’ll be bad because their leadership is bad. But, after this upcoming season is another failure, they’ll get run out of school and the excuses for their coach will flow freely. It’s the Georgetown way. I don’t deny at all that there are fair questions as to how the talent will be handled and coached. But in terms of talent, at very worst, this is the second most talented team Georgetown will have had since 2013….there is significant talent and depth and versatility at every spot. There is (IMO) a future NBA player on the roster. There is versatility and shooting. There isn’t an obvious area of basketball that I look on this roster and say yeah we are really lacking there What did you say about last year’s team at this point? I’d bet it was a lot of the same stuff you are saying now. Maybe this time you are right but forgive me for being skeptical.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 20:01:07 GMT -5
Probably because it’s the same story every offseason about how this is finally the group of athletes that can finally play the way Ewing wants to play. And then, every year, the team is horrible, the players are blamed for being talentless, 90% of the team transfers out, and then a whole new group of unknowns get to come in and save the day. Why should anyone with a brain expect this to be different? Because it is different and you won't see it? There's certainly a coaching question mark here, but the cast of characters is entirely different. I know exaggeration is part of your approach ( every year the team is horrible) but the past is not always prologue. I'm not convinced that coaching alone will win us games, but the mix of talent might. Yeah, sure, this time it’s different. Now is the time to be delusional, I guess.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on May 24, 2022 20:04:36 GMT -5
Because it is different and you won't see it? There's certainly a coaching question mark here, but the cast of characters is entirely different. I know exaggeration is part of your approach ( every year the team is horrible) but the past is not always prologue. I'm not convinced that coaching alone will win us games, but the mix of talent might. Yeah, sure, this time it’s different. Now is the time to be delusional, I guess. It's by definition different. Thanks for the substantive response.
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Post by EtomicB on May 24, 2022 20:40:21 GMT -5
I think if UMD wanted Q to stay originally when Willard came in, they would have made that happen. It kind of seemed like when the C market evaporated, they decided he'd be a good backup. Also, we didn't recruit over Carey - other than Murray none of our adds are as good as Carey, and we don't know if Heath will be eligible or not. Murray and Heath are better basketball players than Carey. Without question. Carey is probably a better basketball player at this point than Spears. He’s nowhere near the raw talent or upside that spears is. My question: why is it so difficult to acknowledge the obvious strides the staff made in the transfer market? There are multiple other very fair criticisms and questions to be asked and talked about, other than being willfully obtuse about the very obvious and significant talent spike of the roster Having seen both a lot of times(HS buddy has BC season tix) It’s not without question who’s the better player when comparing Heath and Carey. I’m happy to have Heath though especially if he stays two seasons. Carey's definitely better than Spears right now but with his experience he should be.. The talent has been upgraded for sure however this revamped squad has a lot of ball stoppers, the staff will have to break some habits to get the most out of the team…
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Post by daytonahoya31 on May 24, 2022 20:45:38 GMT -5
Murray and Heath are better basketball players than Carey. Without question. Carey is probably a better basketball player at this point than Spears. He’s nowhere near the raw talent or upside that spears is. My question: why is it so difficult to acknowledge the obvious strides the staff made in the transfer market? There are multiple other very fair criticisms and questions to be asked and talked about, other than being willfully obtuse about the very obvious and significant talent spike of the roster Having seen both a lot of times(HS buddy has BC season tix) It’s not without question who’s the better player when comparing Heath and Carey. I’m happy to have Heath though especially if he stays two seasons. He’s definitely better than Spears right now but with his experience he should be.. The talent has been upgraded for sure however this revamped squad has a lot of ball stoppers, the staff will have to break some habits to get the most out of the team… That might be the one hole on the roster. There are no obvious ball movers. That was the underrated thing about Bile and Carey. They were both obvious and unselfish ball movers. You’re correct that coaching is going to be big in this area. We have a lot of cooks in the kitchen
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on May 24, 2022 20:47:39 GMT -5
Brandon Murray and Jay Heath were not better offensive players than Carey was last year. Not close. Now Murray is more talented, and is a better defender for sure.
But all this talk about a stacked roster is a pipe dream. We are still reaching on a lot of players, including a lot of our additions.
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