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Post by bostonfan on Mar 13, 2023 13:34:21 GMT -5
Primo has talent - properly coached/reigned in, he could be a good player for somebody. However, it's getting pretty late in the game for him to get good coaching. He's going to be playing at age 22 next season, but it will be critical to him to find the right coach/program if he expects to make decent money playing professionally at some point. Did anybody on the board go to his birthday bash in Hartford Saturday night? I don't have a real problem with Primo Spears. He played this year pretty much exactly the way he played last year before his transfer. If the staff had tried to reign him in and have him focus on taking better shots and moving the ball more, and he rebelled against that, then I would have an issue with him, but the staff let him play the way he did all year and very seldom took him out of the game, so the staff had to be OK with how he played. I don't know if he would change for another coach or not, but it doesn't sound like he was asked to change his game this season. He is who he is, and in the right system and given the correct direction I think he could be an effective player
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 13, 2023 13:37:07 GMT -5
Primo has talent - properly coached/reigned in, he could be a good player for somebody. However, it's getting pretty late in the game for him to get good coaching. He's going to be playing at age 22 next season, but it will be critical to him to find the right coach/program if he expects to make decent money playing professionally at some point. Did anybody on the board go to his birthday bash in Hartford Saturday night? I don't have a real problem with Primo Spears. He played this year pretty much exactly the way he played last year before his transfer. If the staff had tried to reign him in and have him focus on taking better shots and moving the ball more, and he rebelled against that, then I would have an issue with him, but the staff let him play the way he did all year and very seldom took him out of the game, so the staff had to be OK with how he played. I don't know if he would change for another coach or not, but it doesn't sound like he was asked to change his game this season. He is who he is, and in the right system and given the correct direction I think he could be an effective player I don’t think they were okay with it (at least not coach Ewing or Baldwin) but there really was no other option with non other point guards on the team. If Dante were still here Pat could have benched Primo if Primo wasn’t following along.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 13, 2023 13:38:52 GMT -5
I don't have a real problem with Primo Spears. He played this year pretty much exactly the way he played last year before his transfer. If the staff had tried to reign him in and have him focus on taking better shots and moving the ball more, and he rebelled against that, then I would have an issue with him, but the staff let him play the way he did all year and very seldom took him out of the game, so the staff had to be OK with how he played. I don't know if he would change for another coach or not, but it doesn't sound like he was asked to change his game this season. He is who he is, and in the right system and given the correct direction I think he could be an effective player I don’t think they were okay with it (at least not coach Ewing or Baldwin) but there really was no other option with non other point guards on the team. If Dante were still here Pat could have benched Primo if Primo wasn’t following along. The Traveling Nickelberrys strike again! And who hired Nickelberry? None other than Ronny Thompson himself!
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Post by hoya73 on Mar 14, 2023 9:23:51 GMT -5
More often than not, Primo started games looking to make assists and only reverted to hero ball when the open shots he found for others didn't drop, multiple times. Lousy defense on a team with no defensive structure and careless passes late in every game, though.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 14, 2023 9:30:54 GMT -5
Not just late in some games.
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Post by kghoya on Mar 14, 2023 9:33:29 GMT -5
Spears has had high usage on two teams that lost a ton of games the past two years. Can he find a spot where he can help a team win?
Ewing's record over the last two years 13-50 Spears teams record over the last two years 13-49
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 14, 2023 11:26:47 GMT -5
Best wishes to all members of this team as they try to find their way.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 14, 2023 12:23:27 GMT -5
Hope primo reconsiders once he meets the new HC.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2023 12:37:38 GMT -5
Primo Spears will only be successful if he has a coach that forces him to play a much different game than the one he played the last two seasons. The question is does he want to go somewhere that will give him free reign, or someone who will force him into a structure where he cannot do whatever he wants (take long two point jumpers), and instead play as part of a more structured system?
In fact, I don't think any of the names mentioned for head coach (including Mike Brey) would permit Spears' isolation moves and freestyling.
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Post by traversb on Mar 14, 2023 23:35:40 GMT -5
If the new coach would have kept Primo I would have been worried from day 1. Primo is not a winning player. If Ewing had been his only coach I may have had hope. Coach Dambrot is a decent coach and the only time he has finished under .500 in the 19 years since he came back to be a head coach was his 1 season with Primo. Not only did he finish under .500 he went 6-24.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 31, 2023 12:57:25 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 1, 2023 12:13:50 GMT -5
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 3, 2023 14:02:23 GMT -5
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Post by vv83 on Apr 3, 2023 15:05:02 GMT -5
I find it fascinating that veteran successful coaches like Self, Hamilton, Musselman, and Dixon all see real potential in Spears. Watching him last season - it was clear he is talented, but equally clear that he has no idea how to play winning basketball. The fact that these kind of coaches want him seems to be further confirmation that Ewing was a complete failure at helping a talented player fulfill any of his potential. These coaches must have watched Spears' barrage of mid range jumpers, forced drives, and inattentive off ball defense - and seen a talent that could be successful at a high level if a coach teaches him how to play the game.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 3, 2023 15:09:43 GMT -5
I find it fascinating that veteran successful coaches like Self, Hamilton, Musselman, and Dixon all see real potential in Spears. Watching him last season - it was clear he is talented, but equally clear that he has no idea how to play winning basketball. The fact that these kind of coaches want him seems to be further confirmation that Ewing was a complete failure at helping a talented player fulfill any of his potential. These coaches must have watched Spears' barrage of mid range jumpers, forced drives, and inattentive off ball defense - and seen a talent that could be successful at a high level if a coach teaches him how to play the game. I was a big critic of Spears long-range twos, but I do think he's got talent. If honed, and if taught/pushed/forced to play in a different manner, I think Spears could be much more effective than he was at Georgetown. Basically, nobody (except perhaps the very best of talented guys) can play the way Spears and Murray played this past season and succeed. And anybody whose game is long-range twos is going to fail, because it's a horrible way to play in the modern game. I wouldn't put Hamilton in the same category as the other three. Hamilton has seen a HUGE dropoff the last two years, and this year's Florida State team was almost as bad as Georgetown. In fact, their KenPom defensive rating was 239 compared to our 241. Hamilton will also be 75 next year (and if Spears needs to sit a year, Hamilton would be 76 by the time Spears suits up), which alone doesn't mean that much, but the fact that Hamilton's performance has dropped off so much and so fast makes one wonder. Anyway, if Spears goes there, he's not necessarily moving to a better team, unless he just wants playing time, and then perhaps it makes sense?
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 3, 2023 15:17:21 GMT -5
I find it fascinating that veteran successful coaches like Self, Hamilton, Musselman, and Dixon all see real potential in Spears. Watching him last season - it was clear he is talented, but equally clear that he has no idea how to play winning basketball. The fact that these kind of coaches want him seems to be further confirmation that Ewing was a complete failure at helping a talented player fulfill any of his potential. These coaches must have watched Spears' barrage of mid range jumpers, forced drives, and inattentive off ball defense - and seen a talent that could be successful at a high level if a coach teaches him how to play the game. Agree. I think that it’s a testament to the wide nets cast by these coaches and the uncertainty at this point surrounding who ends up where. As I understand it, he will also be sitting next year, so nobody will have to fit him into a team immediately.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 3, 2023 15:39:25 GMT -5
I find it fascinating that veteran successful coaches like Self, Hamilton, Musselman, and Dixon all see real potential in Spears. Watching him last season - it was clear he is talented, but equally clear that he has no idea how to play winning basketball. The fact that these kind of coaches want him seems to be further confirmation that Ewing was a complete failure at helping a talented player fulfill any of his potential. These coaches must have watched Spears' barrage of mid range jumpers, forced drives, and inattentive off ball defense - and seen a talent that could be successful at a high level if a coach teaches him how to play the game. Spears was not well served by what was expected of him. Ewing forced Spears to carry the workload (37.3 minutes a game) and it wore him down. In some ways, it patterned Ewing's approach to overplaying Mac McClung, who was logging an average of 33.3 minutes per game in January 2020 until the injuries took its toll. That these schools are showing interest in Spears after two one-and-outs is a good sign for him. Will Brandon Murray get a similar round of Top 25 teams showing interest?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 3, 2023 15:45:46 GMT -5
Spears is very talented, and though yes, he has a long way to go, his ceiling is pretty high. The guy has elite speed and ball handling.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 3, 2023 15:52:19 GMT -5
I agree that there’s talent there and that Primo was not well served by Pat. However, he has shown himself to be, at best, a mediocre shooter at two stops now. I assume that it’s his quickness, along with hope he can be converted to pass first, that’s attracting interest.
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Post by hoya73 on Apr 3, 2023 16:33:17 GMT -5
I agree that there’s talent there and that Primo was not well served by Pat. However, he has shown himself to be, at best, a mediocre shooter at two stops now. I assume that it’s his quickness, along with hope he can be converted to pass first, that’s attracting interest. mediocre 3 point shooter would be a fair assessment.
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