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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 25, 2022 23:11:30 GMT -5
I completely agree, many posting here have lost all sense of respect - for those in the program, for the players, for other posters here.
Try to keep that in mind while you post here, whatever your opinion may be.
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Post by the_way on Jan 25, 2022 23:24:29 GMT -5
It is unfortunate.
Look how they treated JTIII in the end. All he did was take us to the Final Four, Big East titles, etc.
Losing games doesn't make one a bad person, but you would think coaches who struggle have committed some type of crime.
All over basketball, nonetheless.
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Post by hoya95 on Jan 25, 2022 23:27:57 GMT -5
I realize this would defeat the purpose of the internet, but there is zero need to moan on social media, and God knows there is no call to cause any ugliness at the games. Barring a miracle on the court, there is going to be a change next year. No one needs to say a word.
I hated to the Nth degree how pointlessly mean-spirited it got before the last coaching change. I can't imagine people would do that to Patrick, but you never know. He is the greatest/most important player we've ever had. By all accounts, he is an extremely nice man. He grinded for years as an assistant to finally get an opportunity, and it does not look like it will work out.
I'm going to do everything I can to make it to every game the rest of the season, and I'm going to make as much noise as possible. I don't care if I'm by myself. I don't care if we're down 40. If the only role we have left is to play music on the deck of the Titanic, then that's what I'll do. Gallows humor is more fun anyway.
In the end, you try to repay those who have been good to you. On the court, Patrick gave us more joy than anyone else. Off the court, he has represented the University and us as a fan base extremely well. So did his predecessor. People can do what they want, but I'm going to try to go down with the ship with as much fun as we can have.
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Post by hoyaroc on Jan 25, 2022 23:31:24 GMT -5
There’s people with hidden agendas. Yes, let’s all have respect for the Georgetown Hoyas Men Basketball legacy established by Big John. Gtown is still a big brand so I understand fans being upset with losing. But when you fall down you get yourself back up and live to fight another day. Let’s go Hoyas!!!!!
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 25, 2022 23:46:19 GMT -5
I completely agree, many posting here have lost all sense of respect - for those in the program, for the players, for other posters here. Try to keep that in mind while you post here, whatever your opinion may be. Agree that we would not remember Georgetown as the way it is without the contributions from Pop and Ewing However, I also hate this notion that it made it sound like we could have not done better without the influence of Pop. While we were the Kentucky/Duke in the 80's (or even greater), that ended 30 years ago. Since the 90's, outside of the few years with AI or Jeff Green, our performance was mostly mediocre, turning into a laughing stock in 2010's with the constant underperformance under JT3's regime when it comes to March. Yes, Pop's influence was more than what we have put out on the court. But at the end of the day, the performance on the court is the core in assessing the success level, and we just haven't been there for about 30 years now. So my question is - how much longer do we need to have this kind of attitude of 'Pop and the family built this program, so we should be forever grateful to them and keep the key in their hands' ? How much longer should Pop's legacy interfere with correcting the direction of the program? Is this Georgetown University basketball team or John Thompson University family basketball team? When is enough enough?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 25, 2022 23:49:55 GMT -5
All due respect, but the tweet I posted does not include “keep the key in their hands” anywhere in it.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 25, 2022 23:52:35 GMT -5
All due respect, but the tweet I posted does not include “keep the key in their hands” anywhere in it. With all due respect as well, I was only responding to the part of the tweet "Would you care about Gtown bball if not for Pops or Pat, probably not" and what we can make out of
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Post by prhoya on Jan 26, 2022 0:10:21 GMT -5
I completely agree, many posting here have lost all sense of respect - for those in the program, for the players, for other posters here. Try to keep that in mind while you post here, whatever your opinion may be. Agree that we would not remember Georgetown as the way it is without the contributions from Pop and Ewing However, I also hate this notion that it made it sound like we could have not done better without the influence of Pop. While we were the Kentucky/Duke in the 80's (or even greater), that ended 30 years ago. Since the 90's, outside of the few years with AI or Jeff Green, our performance was mostly mediocre, turning into a laughing stock in 2010's with the constant underperformance under JT3's regime when it comes to March. Yes, Pop's influence was more than what we have put out on the court. But at the end of the day, the performance on the court is the core in assessing the success level, and we just haven't been there for about 30 years now. So my question is - how much longer do we need to have this kind of attitude of 'Pop and the family built this program, so we should be forever grateful to them and keep the key in their hands' ? How much longer should Pop's legacy interfere with correcting the direction of the program? Is this Georgetown University basketball team or John Thompson University family basketball team? When is enough enough? Exactly! Well said.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 26, 2022 7:55:28 GMT -5
This thread could also be about the lack of respect that the program has for its remaining alumni fans. I wrote my annual check to the program that wasn’t even acknowledged. Much smaller contributions to the athletic department, the soccer program, and campus ministry were acknowledged with personal notes of gratitude. It was never a warm and fuzzy program but seems to have distanced themselves further from the fan and alumni base under the current regime. (see PE Jr comments)
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Post by hoyas212 on Jan 26, 2022 8:18:33 GMT -5
The most disrespect shown to Coach Ewing, the players, the administration, and the fans in the last week came in the form of the chief of staff broadcasting a VCU game in Richmond instead of being at the Villanova game, and the director of basketball operations playing on his iPhone multiple times during the UConn game.
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Post by guru on Jan 26, 2022 8:35:00 GMT -5
So true. I get emails and sometimes personally signed letters of gratitude for donations to other programs, including baseball, lacrosse, golf, etc. but I have never received anything from the mens basketball program besides boilerplate invitations to virtual sessions that are unimpressive and seem thrown together. The entire men’s basketball operation has been a joke behind the scenes for going on 25 years, actually, even when we’ve had some on-court success. A massive makeover is long overdue.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 26, 2022 8:41:21 GMT -5
The level of anger is baffling to me. If you do not like being a fan, do not get angry and attack. Vote with your feet and find something else to do.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 26, 2022 8:42:51 GMT -5
It’s crazy to me how quickly this has snowballed. It’s not even February yet. We still have 14 league games and the BET left. This situation may get untenable if it continues like this.
I will say, while I was a skeptic of the hire, and hopeful this year will be the final year of this experiment, we at least did get the magical BET title run, and that’s something that programs like St Johns, Marquette, DePaul, etc., didn’t get as a consolation prize during their down periods under other coaches. So if nothing else, I thank Ewing for that and will always remember that exciting week.
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Post by tafkashfsee on Jan 26, 2022 8:46:27 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is, and a lot of people here on Hoyatalk don't want to either face it or admit it, Georgetown is no longer coveted by the best high school basketball players anymore. Heck, even our own local kids think of Georgetown as an after thought.
No matter how you slice it, you have to have some of the best high school kids matriculating through your program on a year to year basis if you want to be one of the best programs in the country. This is no slight on the kids that we have on the team because they are great and I am very proud of them. But let's face it guys, we've lost a lot of recruiting wars of some of the best players over the years.
Thank god we were able to get Aminu, Akinjo, Pickett and Mac because we would have been in worst shape. This is no reflection on Patrick Ewing and staff. It is where Georgetown is right now with high school kids.
I put Mac in my list because even though he wasn't at least a four star players like the other guys, he was definitely a four star player that didn't get the recognition as such.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 26, 2022 8:54:07 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is, and a lot of people here on Hoyatalk don't want to either face it or admit it, Georgetown is no longer coveted by the best high school basketball players anymore. Heck, even our own local kids think of Georgetown as an after thought. No matter how you slice it, you have to have some of the best high school kids matriculating through your program on a year to year basis if you want to be one of the best programs in the country. This is no slight on the kids that we have on the team because they are great and I am very proud of them. But let's face it guys, we've lost a lot of recruiting wars of some of the best players over the years. Thank god we were able to get Aminu, Akinjo, Pickett and Mac because we would have been in worst shape. This is no reflection on Patrick Ewing and staff. It is where Georgetown is right now with high school kids. I put Mac in my list because even though he wasn't at least a four star players like the other guys, he was definitely a four star player that didn't get the recognition as such. I get we aren’t on Nova or UConn’s level anymore, but why do schools like Providence, Seton Hall, and Xavier continually outperform us, develop better players, and recruit as well (if not better)? Surely those schools aren’t any more attractive than Georgetown for HS players?
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Post by prhoya on Jan 26, 2022 8:54:29 GMT -5
I completely agree, many posting here have lost all sense of respect - for those in the program, for the players, for other posters here. Try to keep that in mind while you post here, whatever your opinion may be. Yes! Others are noticing: Respect all posters following the rules even if you don’t agree with them.
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Post by hoyas212 on Jan 26, 2022 8:56:31 GMT -5
The level of anger is baffling to me. If you do not like being a fan, do not get angry and attack. Vote with your feet and find something else to do. This mindset always confuses me. Like the people that say move somewhere else if you are mad about election results. If you care about something, why not express suggestions, criticisms, frustrations, etc. instead of being unconditionally supportive?
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Post by guru on Jan 26, 2022 8:56:41 GMT -5
It’s crazy to me how quickly this has snowballed. It’s not even February yet. We still have 14 league games and the BET left. This situation may get untenable if it continues like this. I will say, while I was a skeptic of the hire, and hopeful this year will be the final year of this experiment, we at least did get the magical BET title run, and that’s something that programs like St Johns, Marquette, DePaul, etc., didn’t get as a consolation prize during their down periods under other coaches. So if nothing else, I thank Ewing for that and will always remember that exciting week. I don’t actually think it has snowballed in the places where it matters, unfortunately for the program’s future, and it was inevitable that a season as disastrous as this one has been would draw some level of media attention. The only graceful way out - and actually the only way fans clamoring for change will get what they want - remains for Ewing to step down. Maybe that’s closer to happening after this season and the negativity around the program, but who really knows. Best case would be for him to announce he’s done after this season soon, so the attack dogs can lay off, but that doesn’t seem realistic. It’s a sad situation all around.
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Post by tafkashfsee on Jan 26, 2022 9:06:27 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is, and a lot of people here on Hoyatalk don't want to either face it or admit it, Georgetown is no longer coveted by the best high school basketball players anymore. Heck, even our own local kids think of Georgetown as an after thought. No matter how you slice it, you have to have some of the best high school kids matriculating through your program on a year to year basis if you want to be one of the best programs in the country. This is no slight on the kids that we have on the team because they are great and I am very proud of them. But let's face it guys, we've lost a lot of recruiting wars of some of the best players over the years. Thank god we were able to get Aminu, Akinjo, Pickett and Mac because we would have been in worst shape. This is no reflection on Patrick Ewing and staff. It is where Georgetown is right now with high school kids. I put Mac in my list because even though he wasn't at least a four star players like the other guys, he was definitely a four star player that didn't get the recognition as such. I get we aren’t on Nova or UConn’s level anymore, but why do schools like Providence, Seton Hall, and Xavier continually outperform us, develop better players, and recruit as well (if not better)? Surely those schools aren’t any more attractive than Georgetown for HS players? I beg to differ that the kids don't see Prov, Seton Hall and Xavier as more attractive. The proof is in the pudding if you ask me. Those schools have invested waaaay more over the years into program, in my mind, and they haven't had too much drop off from recruiting high performing high school basketball players over those years. I think we have had lulls in our recruitment and remember how hard Coach Ewing had to work to get Akinjo and Mac. Also, remember we didn't even have a point guard before he convinced those two young men to join Georgetown. I remember being scared for Pat because he didn't have a quarterback coming into the job and I was so happy when Akinjo said yes and was elated also when Mac said yes. I would say at the end of the JTIII days, it was hard to get good kids to come over to Georgetown. In my mind, there was a stigma with recruiting because of the Princeton offense. That stigma carried over into Patrick Ewing's era and I believe made it very difficult to get high school kids to want to come and play at Georgetown. So as a result, Patrick has had to have a bunch of two star guys to help build up his program with a few four star guys sprinkled in.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 26, 2022 9:09:51 GMT -5
I get we aren’t on Nova or UConn’s level anymore, but why do schools like Providence, Seton Hall, and Xavier continually outperform us, develop better players, and recruit as well (if not better)? Surely those schools aren’t any more attractive than Georgetown for HS players? I beg to differ that the kids don't see Prov, Seton Hall and Xavier as more attractive. The proof is in the pudding if you ask me. Those schools have invested waaaay more over the years into program, in my mind, and they haven't had too much drop off from recruiting high performing high school basketball players over those years. I think we have had lulls in our recruitment and remember how hard Coach Ewing had to work to get Akinjo and Mac. Also, remember we didn't even have a point guard before he convinced those two young men to join Georgetown. I remember being scared for Pat because he didn't have a quarterback coming into the job and I was so happy when Akinjo said yes and was elated also when Mac said yes. I would say at the end of the JTIII days, it was hard to get good kids to come over to Georgetown. In my mind, there was a stigma with recruiting because of the Princeton offense. That stigma carried over into Patrick Ewing's era and I believe made it very difficult to get high school kids to want to come and play at Georgetown. So as a result, Patrick has had to have a bunch of two star guys to help build up his program with a few four star guys sprinkled in. No idea what you mean when you say they’ve invested “way more”, when in fact it’s been the opposite, but let’s leave that aside even. So by virtue of your argument, has Ewing been a failure over 5 years given his inability to improve the attractiveness of Georgetown to even the levels of SHU or PC, as you are claiming are more desirable than our program currently? Wasn’t that the task?
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