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Post by tafkashfsee on Jan 27, 2022 12:56:46 GMT -5
Ewing ain't going nowhere so get over it! Let's go boys! Let's get it! Beat Butler and let's keep improving.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 27, 2022 13:19:37 GMT -5
No question in my mind that now is the time to go after Kim English. Young star with Baltimore and Beltway roots. Pat put in the work, had some terrible luck and also I think has struggled with the mentality of the modern athlete. It's clearly time to move on. For my money the No. 1 thing we need is ENERGY. We need a young guy who will instantly rejuvenate the program and fanbase with energy. Good news is between the portal and instant transfer eligibility it's SO much easier to flip a program around now than it was a decade ago. Biggest complaint I recall on this board about the Ewing hire was his lack of college head coaching experience. English has been an HC for less than a season. To be fair it was the lack of college experience that was the concern
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Post by prhoya on Jan 27, 2022 13:22:27 GMT -5
No question in my mind that now is the time to go after Kim English. Young star with Baltimore and Beltway roots. Pat put in the work, had some terrible luck and also I think has struggled with the mentality of the modern athlete. It's clearly time to move on. For my money the No. 1 thing we need is ENERGY. We need a young guy who will instantly rejuvenate the program and fanbase with energy. Good news is between the portal and instant transfer eligibility it's SO much easier to flip a program around now than it was a decade ago. Biggest complaint I recall on this board about the Ewing hire was his lack of college head coaching experience. English has been an HC for less than a season. For me, it was college basketball coaching experience in general. I don’t know much about Coach English, but I’ve mentioned that a good source for candidates (if the job opens) would be, for example, Wright’s coaching tree. That person would have a wealth of knowledge on how to be successful in college basketball and how to relate to the kids. In case someone is wondering, here’s English’s salary at GM: www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/04/01/kim-english-salary-george-mason-basketball/$925,000. A very interesting look at his current contract: gmufourthestate.com/2021/04/01/contract-details-of-mens-basketball-head-coach-kim-english-released/
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 27, 2022 13:24:34 GMT -5
No question in my mind that now is the time to go after Kim English. Young star with Baltimore and Beltway roots. Pat put in the work, had some terrible luck and also I think has struggled with the mentality of the modern athlete. It's clearly time to move on. For my money the No. 1 thing we need is ENERGY. We need a young guy who will instantly rejuvenate the program and fanbase with energy. Good news is between the portal and instant transfer eligibility it's SO much easier to flip a program around now than it was a decade ago. It's a bit early, both for the "next coach" discussion and to be too conclusive about English. But I agree he is an enticing candidate for a lot of reasons and should be one of our first calls if we have an opening. That said, I think there's a decent chance that the head coaching position at his alma mater opens up after this season also, since I think Cuonzo Martin's time may be up. Have to think English will be one of their first calls too, and going back to his alma in the SEC might be a better offer than we can make. Also, he'll probably continue to be a strong recruiter of the DMV, so just one more high major to contend with for Top 100 local recruits
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Post by 617hoya on Jan 27, 2022 14:24:22 GMT -5
Ewing ain't going nowhere so get over it! Let's go boys! Let's get it! Beat Butler and let's keep improving. “Keep” improving? Our defense continues to regress and we just put up the worst defensive performance, statistically, against UConn, in the program’s history. Strong argument to make we are going backwards.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 27, 2022 14:53:23 GMT -5
Ewing ain't going nowhere so get over it! Let's go boys! Let's get it! Beat Butler and let's keep improving. “Keep” improving? Our defense continues to regress and we just put up the worst defensive performance, statistically, against UConn, in the program’s history. Strong argument to make we are going backwards. I also found the “keep” comically misguided.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 27, 2022 15:20:47 GMT -5
No question in my mind that now is the time to go after Kim English. Young star with Baltimore and Beltway roots. Pat put in the work, had some terrible luck and also I think has struggled with the mentality of the modern athlete. It's clearly time to move on. For my money the No. 1 thing we need is ENERGY. We need a young guy who will instantly rejuvenate the program and fanbase with energy. Good news is between the portal and instant transfer eligibility it's SO much easier to flip a program around now than it was a decade ago. It's a bit early, both for the "next coach" discussion and to be too conclusive about English. But I agree he is an enticing candidate for a lot of reasons and should be one of our first calls if we have an opening. That said, I think there's a decent chance that the head coaching position at his alma mater opens up after this season also, since I think Cuonzo Martin's time may be up. Have to think English will be one of their first calls too, and going back to his alma in the SEC might be a better offer than we can make. Also, he'll probably continue to be a strong recruiter of the DMV, so just one more high major to contend with for Top 100 local recruits This is correct - I have family with Mizzou connections and they are convinced Kim English will be the head coach after this season. That said, it's certainly not too early to be talking about Georgetown's next head coach. Hopefully there are people in the athletic department doing due diligence on the subject as we speak.
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Post by practice on Jan 27, 2022 15:45:44 GMT -5
No question in my mind that now is the time to go after Kim English. Young star with Baltimore and Beltway roots. Pat put in the work, had some terrible luck and also I think has struggled with the mentality of the modern athlete. It's clearly time to move on. For my money the No. 1 thing we need is ENERGY. We need a young guy who will instantly rejuvenate the program and fanbase with energy. Good news is between the portal and instant transfer eligibility it's SO much easier to flip a program around now than it was a decade ago. It's a bit early, both for the "next coach" discussion and to be too conclusive about English. But I agree he is an enticing candidate for a lot of reasons and should be one of our first calls if we have an opening. That said, I think there's a decent chance that the head coaching position at his alma mater opens up after this season also, since I think Cuonzo Martin's time may be up. Have to think English will be one of their first calls too, and going back to his alma in the SEC might be a better offer than we can make. Also, he'll probably continue to be a strong recruiter of the DMV, so just one more high major to contend with for Top 100 local recruits Whether the "next coach" is next year or five years from now, I'm hopeful that it is someone with strong ties to the DMV area is currently college, who either is an assistant at great program or has been at a great program, who can recruit, who is under 50, and who is African American. I don't think any former Hoya players match those criteria. I'd prefer a clean break from the Thompson Era but that respects, honors and in some ways tries to reflect the Thompson Era.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 27, 2022 16:12:36 GMT -5
It's a bit early, both for the "next coach" discussion and to be too conclusive about English. But I agree he is an enticing candidate for a lot of reasons and should be one of our first calls if we have an opening. That said, I think there's a decent chance that the head coaching position at his alma mater opens up after this season also, since I think Cuonzo Martin's time may be up. Have to think English will be one of their first calls too, and going back to his alma in the SEC might be a better offer than we can make. Also, he'll probably continue to be a strong recruiter of the DMV, so just one more high major to contend with for Top 100 local recruits Whether the "next coach" is next year or five years from now, I'm hopeful that it is someone with strong ties to the DMV area is currently college, who either is an assistant at great program or has been at a great program, who can recruit, who is under 50, and who is African American. I don't think any former Hoya players match those criteria. I'd prefer a clean break from the Thompson Era but that respects, honors and in some ways tries to reflect the Thompson Era. I agree with everything, except the age, race, color and sex limitations. Whenever a change comes, I want the best, most qualified candidate available. Young or old, African American/Hispanic/Asian/etc, male or female...
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Post by practice on Jan 27, 2022 17:18:57 GMT -5
Whether the "next coach" is next year or five years from now, I'm hopeful that it is someone with strong ties to the DMV area is currently college, who either is an assistant at great program or has been at a great program, who can recruit, who is under 50, and who is African American. I don't think any former Hoya players match those criteria. I'd prefer a clean break from the Thompson Era but that respects, honors and in some ways tries to reflect the Thompson Era. I agree with everything, except the age, race, color and sex limitations. Whenever a change comes, I want the best, most qualified candidate available. Young or old, African American/Hispanic/Asian/etc, male or female... Well I didn't specify gender, but I think a school that hired an African American coach in 1972 in what is still an African American majority region should probably make that a priority in recruiting a coach. There are certainly enough eligible African American candidates. It would also be nice to get someone who could potentially be at Georgetown for 10 to 20 years ... and who might just be young enough to connect with players and the AAU world. I don't pretend to know all of the leading assistant coaches at great programs -- but there are definitely a lot of guys who are recruiting in the DMV better than Georgetown does. Kim English would have checked off all of those boxes last year when he was at Tennessee. Tony Skinn -- a Kenner League Hall of Famer -- is at Ohio State, Illinois has a guy named Chester Frazier from Baltimore, Nolan Smith is at Duke ... the list goes on ... Frankly I wish Kevin Broadus was having more success at Morgan State ... I'll be almost upset if there is a coaching change and the school goes outside of the Thompson family tree and hires someone who might be a better than average HC but who has no ties to the area. I don't want Georgetown to be a stepping stone to some other job -- currently it's a career ender, but the idea of a Tom Crean or Archie Miller coming to town to win for 5 years and then go to a bigger problem would be terrible.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 27, 2022 17:45:04 GMT -5
I think we've seen over the past five years that being a D1 college basketball coach in today's environment is not for sissies (or old men). So much harder than it was even 10 years ago. So unless you are getting a proven winner like Pitino I'd say go with a young (30 something) guy with local ties and contacts who has demonstrated major success at lower level D1, or even D2 or D3 (maybe even HS). Someone like a young Pitino or Al Mcquire or Shaka Smart.
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Post by hoyaroc on Jan 27, 2022 18:37:04 GMT -5
Ewing ain't going nowhere so get over it! Let's go boys! Let's get it! Beat Butler and let's keep improving. “Keep” improving? Our defense continues to regress and we just put up the worst defensive performance, statistically, against UConn, in the program’s history. Strong argument to make we are going backwards. We understand our defense is not good. Stop beating on a dead horse and support coach Ewing and the players. Let’s go Hoyas!!!
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Post by miracles87 on Jan 27, 2022 18:39:47 GMT -5
"His third season was pivotal. With Akinjo and McClung in the backcourt and NC State transfer Omer Yurtseven (who shot 55% from inside the arc that season) in the post, the 2019-20 preseason buzz around Georgetown was strong.
The Hoyas would not validate the hype. Another rocky stretch in the Big East -- the Hoyas ended the regular season with six consecutive losses, and were then eliminated by St. John's in the first round of the Big East tournament -- punctuated a 15-17 campaign, Ewing's worst season with the Hoyas."
I dunno, what do you say to something so shoddy? "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of Ewing's third year coaching Georgetown?"
Just shockingly poor journalism
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 27, 2022 20:57:45 GMT -5
I think we've seen over the past five years that being a D1 college basketball coach in today's environment is not for sissies (or old men). So much harder than it was even 10 years ago. So unless you are getting a proven winner like Pitino I'd say go with a young (30 something) guy with local ties and contacts who has demonstrated major success at lower level D1, or even D2 or D3 (maybe even HS). Someone like a young Pitino or Al Mcquire or Shaka Smart. This actually sounds like a young John Thompson, doesn't it? Not that I would anticipate our reaching into the high schools again.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 27, 2022 21:02:18 GMT -5
I think we've seen over the past five years that being a D1 college basketball coach in today's environment is not for sissies (or old men). So much harder than it was even 10 years ago. So unless you are getting a proven winner like Pitino I'd say go with a young (30 something) guy with local ties and contacts who has demonstrated major success at lower level D1, or even D2 or D3 (maybe even HS). Someone like a young Pitino or Al Mcquire or Shaka Smart. This actually sounds like a young John Thompson, doesn't it? Not that I would anticipate our reaching into the high schools again. I've posted in other threads about going back to the future.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 27, 2022 21:06:13 GMT -5
This actually sounds like a young John Thompson, doesn't it? Not that I would anticipate our reaching into the high schools again. I've posted in other threads about going back to the future. Thanks, Doc.
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 27, 2022 21:27:47 GMT -5
I agree with everything, except the age, race, color and sex limitations. Whenever a change comes, I want the best, most qualified candidate available. Young or old, African American/Hispanic/Asian/etc, male or female... Well I didn't specify gender, but I think a school that hired an African American coach in 1972 in what is still an African American majority region should probably make that a priority in recruiting a coach. There are certainly enough eligible African American candidates. It would also be nice to get someone who could potentially be at Georgetown for 10 to 20 years ... and who might just be young enough to connect with players and the AAU world. I don't pretend to know all of the leading assistant coaches at great programs -- but there are definitely a lot of guys who are recruiting in the DMV better than Georgetown does. Kim English would have checked off all of those boxes last year when he was at Tennessee. Tony Skinn -- a Kenner League Hall of Famer -- is at Ohio State, Illinois has a guy named Chester Frazier from Baltimore, Nolan Smith is at Duke ... the list goes on ... Frankly I wish Kevin Broadus was having more success at Morgan State ... I'll be almost upset if there is a coaching change and the school goes outside of the Thompson family tree and hires someone who might be a better than average HC but who has no ties to the area. I don't want Georgetown to be a stepping stone to some other job -- currently it's a career ender, but the idea of a Tom Crean or Archie Miller coming to town to win for 5 years and then go to a bigger problem would be terrible. We can (and whenever the time comes, I'm sure will) debate the most important qualities we'd want a new coach to have, but 2 that have to be near the top of the list are a)a healthy respect for the Georgetown Basketball tradition, and an understanding of what this program stands for** and b) a strong ability to navigate modern basketball culture, especially the AAU scene. I don't think we need to seek coaches of a certain race, but I do think there are probably a number of young black coaches who could emphatically check both of those boxes. (**Important distinction between somebody who understands and respects our tradition and somebody who is from the "inner circle." I think there are a lot of coaches who never played for him that deeply respect what JT2 stood for and would love to continue to uphold that tradition. This does not mean we need somebody from his inner circle, though. We need a new perspective, but that doesn't mean all of what JT2 stood for needs to be forgotten.) When I read people suggesting guys like Jim Beilien, Chris Mack or Ric Pitino, I don't see it at all. Same people were talking up Tom Crean and Ben Howland last time around. I do want someone from "outside the family" next time we hire, but we don't need to be so focused on that that the pendulum swings too far the other way. We can find somebody who embraces a lot of the good things that the Thompsons have done for Georgetown and for the world but who still has a modern perspective on the game. Guys like Mike Boynton and Kim English would be my first calls, but there are a lot of others who deserve a look.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Jan 27, 2022 22:28:05 GMT -5
Well I didn't specify gender, but I think a school that hired an African American coach in 1972 in what is still an African American majority region should probably make that a priority in recruiting a coach. There are certainly enough eligible African American candidates. It would also be nice to get someone who could potentially be at Georgetown for 10 to 20 years ... and who might just be young enough to connect with players and the AAU world. I don't pretend to know all of the leading assistant coaches at great programs -- but there are definitely a lot of guys who are recruiting in the DMV better than Georgetown does. Kim English would have checked off all of those boxes last year when he was at Tennessee. Tony Skinn -- a Kenner League Hall of Famer -- is at Ohio State, Illinois has a guy named Chester Frazier from Baltimore, Nolan Smith is at Duke ... the list goes on ... Frankly I wish Kevin Broadus was having more success at Morgan State ... I'll be almost upset if there is a coaching change and the school goes outside of the Thompson family tree and hires someone who might be a better than average HC but who has no ties to the area. I don't want Georgetown to be a stepping stone to some other job -- currently it's a career ender, but the idea of a Tom Crean or Archie Miller coming to town to win for 5 years and then go to a bigger problem would be terrible. We can (and whenever the time comes, I'm sure will) debate the most important qualities we'd want a new coach to have, but 2 that have to be near the top of the list are a)a healthy respect for the Georgetown Basketball tradition, and an understanding of what this program stands for** and b) a strong ability to navigate modern basketball culture, especially the AAU scene. I don't think we need to seek coaches of a certain race, but I do think there are probably a number of young black coaches who could emphatically check both of those boxes. (**Important distinction between somebody who understands and respects our tradition and somebody who is from the "inner circle." I think there are a lot of coaches who never played for him that deeply respect what JT2 stood for and would love to continue to uphold that tradition. This does not mean we need somebody from his inner circle, though. We need a new perspective, but that doesn't mean all of what JT2 stood for needs to be forgotten.) When I read people suggesting guys like Jim Beilien, Chris Mack or Ric Pitino, I don't see it at all. Same people were talking up Tom Crean and Ben Howland last time around. I do want someone from "outside the family" next time we hire, but we don't need to be so focused on that that the pendulum swings too far the other way. We can find somebody who embraces a lot of the good things that the Thompsons have done for Georgetown and for the world but who still has a modern perspective on the game. Guys like Mike Boynton and Kim English would be my first calls, but there are a lot of others who deserve a look. Very well said. I agree 100%.
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Post by cas92 on Jan 27, 2022 22:50:58 GMT -5
Guys like Mike Boynton and Kim English would be my first calls, but there are a lot of others who deserve a look. Dennis Gates, 2 x Academic All American @ Cal, graduated college in 3 years, took Master's degree classes his senior year. Spent 8 years as an assistant under Leonard Hamilton @ FSU, currently head coach @ Cleveland State - took over a 5-13 squad from the previous year, led them to 11-21 record his first year, 19-8 last season, 13-4 @ present.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 27, 2022 22:53:02 GMT -5
Well I didn't specify gender, but I think a school that hired an African American coach in 1972 in what is still an African American majority region should probably make that a priority in recruiting a coach. There are certainly enough eligible African American candidates. It would also be nice to get someone who could potentially be at Georgetown for 10 to 20 years ... and who might just be young enough to connect with players and the AAU world. I don't pretend to know all of the leading assistant coaches at great programs -- but there are definitely a lot of guys who are recruiting in the DMV better than Georgetown does. Kim English would have checked off all of those boxes last year when he was at Tennessee. Tony Skinn -- a Kenner League Hall of Famer -- is at Ohio State, Illinois has a guy named Chester Frazier from Baltimore, Nolan Smith is at Duke ... the list goes on ... Frankly I wish Kevin Broadus was having more success at Morgan State ... I'll be almost upset if there is a coaching change and the school goes outside of the Thompson family tree and hires someone who might be a better than average HC but who has no ties to the area. I don't want Georgetown to be a stepping stone to some other job -- currently it's a career ender, but the idea of a Tom Crean or Archie Miller coming to town to win for 5 years and then go to a bigger problem would be terrible. We can (and whenever the time comes, I'm sure will) debate the most important qualities we'd want a new coach to have, but 2 that have to be near the top of the list are a)a healthy respect for the Georgetown Basketball tradition, and an understanding of what this program stands for** and b) a strong ability to navigate modern basketball culture, especially the AAU scene. I don't think we need to seek coaches of a certain race, but I do think there are probably a number of young black coaches who could emphatically check both of those boxes. (**Important distinction between somebody who understands and respects our tradition and somebody who is from the "inner circle." I think there are a lot of coaches who never played for him that deeply respect what JT2 stood for and would love to continue to uphold that tradition. This does not mean we need somebody from his inner circle, though. We need a new perspective, but that doesn't mean all of what JT2 stood for needs to be forgotten.) When I read people suggesting guys like Jim Beilien, Chris Mack or Ric Pitino, I don't see it at all. Same people were talking up Tom Crean and Ben Howland last time around. I do want someone from "outside the family" next time we hire, but we don't need to be so focused on that that the pendulum swings too far the other way. We can find somebody who embraces a lot of the good things that the Thompsons have done for Georgetown and for the world but who still has a modern perspective on the game. Guys like Mike Boynton and Kim English would be my first calls, but there are a lot of others who deserve a look. Boynton is a terrible coach - what has he done to impress you?
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