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Post by hoyaphan on Jan 26, 2022 9:39:48 GMT -5
Thank you for clearing that up!
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 26, 2022 10:11:25 GMT -5
To be fair, no one is actually discrediting what Pops has contributed to the program. Pop's G stands for greatness. He transformed the NCAAM BB forever. Rather, his legacy is further getting tarnished by his previous actions to keep everything within his family; the constant nepotism with the hires, which have resulted in underperformances without proper accountability.
Just to put this scenario into a perspective: After Coach K retires, hypothetically he keeps bringing his pupils and sons to take the jobs with mostly mediocre performance for the next 20-30 years.For all the great things he contributed to the Duke program while he was a coach, do you think that would sit well with the future generations of Duke students/alumni? BTW, no one here is disrespecting Ewing as a player and what he has contributed to the program. Just that the performances as a coach cannot be embraced with the level of performance we are seeing. At the risk of re-opening a can of worms… I think it’s easy to generalize this statement, however, it would be a bit revisionist to call the program under JTIII “mostly mediocre” and “without proper accountability.” The team, by any standard, was wildly successful for the better part of a decade from 05-15. Yes there were numerous flameouts in the NCAA, but there were also heights reached that hadn’t been reached since the 80s. In hindsight, what we thought was bottoming out at the end of III’s tenure was really mediocrity and in my opinion the accountability was actually there to make a change before the trajectory continued and the ship continued to sink. For the record, I was in favor of a coaching change and I felt the timing was right to make one when they did. Unfortunately, it was at that point where we had a glorious opportunity to take the program in a new direction and remain relevant in the national landscape, but our “one-man search committee” felt otherwise. So here we are. I guess it depends on your definition of 'wildly successful' while my definition of 'mostly mediocre' When I hear the word 'wildly successful,' I don't have to go as far as the blue bloods like Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, UNC. I don't even have to go as far as Uconn, Villanova who has won multiple chips since the new millennium. but maybe the likes of Arizona and Syracuse? (of course only in terms of court performance and sans the scandal) Yes, the 2005-2007 with Jeff Green and the company was the bright spot (some may argue that we should also include the season in which Otto carried us to Big East regular season title, only to get throttled by FGFU in the first round to be the laughing stock of the year should also be considered as a good season though many of us would agree to disagree). Outside of those few years, however, I believe we did not perform up to the expectation that comes as a 'top 10 spenders' in the nation. If we are Dartmouth or Brown playing in the Ivy League, JT3 would have been forever immortalized and would have never lost the job; PE's job may also be secure if that was the case and all these venting on online forum would have never taken place at the first place. But we are not playing in the Ivy League, we are paying big money, and unfortunately, I guess it comes with the higher expectation/standard
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Post by the_way on Jan 26, 2022 10:20:26 GMT -5
Criticism is expected in a high profile job. But the disrespect is another issue. You have people working behind the scenes to discredit JT2 legacy and to remove coach Ewing as HC. Already naming other replacements for the current HC. To be fair, no one is actually discrediting what Pops has contributed to the program. Pop's G stands for greatness. He transformed the NCAAM BB forever. Rather, his legacy is further getting tarnished by his previous actions to keep everything within his family; the constant nepotism with the hires, which have resulted in underperformances without proper accountability. Just to put this scenario into a perspective: After Coach K retires, hypothetically he keeps bringing his pupils and sons to take the jobs with mostly mediocre performance for the next 20-30 years. For all the great things he contributed to the Duke program while he was a coach, do you think that would sit well with the future generations of Duke students/alumni? BTW, no one here is disrespecting Ewing as a player and what he has contributed to the program. Just that the performances as a coach cannot be embraced with the level of performance we are seeing. JTIII didn't tarnish JT2's legacy. A Final Four, and Big East titles didn't tarnish that legacy. Nobody was complaining when we were in the Final Four or winning Big East titles. Esh at least went to a Sweet Sixteen and a NIT championship Ewing won a Big East tournament title. People act like these coaches post-JT2 put the program on probation or gave the program death penalty sanctions. We just aren't winning right now. People just don't like JT2. Either they do a bad job of hiding it with their passive-aggressiveness or they are just blatant with it. Thamel and Feinstein used to get mocked on this very board with their anti-Georgetown sentiments. Some of this stuff we see posted here now would make them blink. It is pathetic.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 26, 2022 10:28:44 GMT -5
To be fair, no one is actually discrediting what Pops has contributed to the program. Pop's G stands for greatness. He transformed the NCAAM BB forever. Rather, his legacy is further getting tarnished by his previous actions to keep everything within his family; the constant nepotism with the hires, which have resulted in underperformances without proper accountability. Just to put this scenario into a perspective: After Coach K retires, hypothetically he keeps bringing his pupils and sons to take the jobs with mostly mediocre performance for the next 20-30 years. For all the great things he contributed to the Duke program while he was a coach, do you think that would sit well with the future generations of Duke students/alumni? BTW, no one here is disrespecting Ewing as a player and what he has contributed to the program. Just that the performances as a coach cannot be embraced with the level of performance we are seeing. JTIII didn't tarnish JT2's legacy. A Final Four, and Big East titles didn't tarnish that legacy. Nobody was complaining when we were in the Final Four or winning Big East titles. Esh at least went to a Sweet Sixteen and a NIT championship Ewing won a Big East tournament title. People act like these coaches post-JT2 put the program on probation or gave the program death penalty sanctions. We just aren't winning right now. People just don't like JT2. Either they do a bad job of hiding it with their passive-aggressiveness or they are just blatant with it. Thamel and Feinstein used to get mocked on this very board with their anti-Georgetown sentiments. Some of this stuff we see posted here now would make them blink. It is pathetic. I guess you have misunderstood what I wrote; JT3 did not tarnish his dad's legacy. Instead, it was the man himself who built the program who continued to keep this program in his palm even after he retired, directly determining who gets to coach the program and who gets paid by the university. Yes, all of the previous coaches after Pops had bright spots you mentioned. Good memories and no one is denying them or has forgotten about them. But past is in the past; performance is measured based on what you produce now, not what you have produced before. As I wrote in another post previously, if we were Dartmouth playing in the Ivy League and JT3 had taken us to FF, he would have been forever immortalized and never lost the job. But this is not Dartmouth. We are Georgetown.
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Post by the_way on Jan 26, 2022 10:43:17 GMT -5
JTIII didn't tarnish JT2's legacy. A Final Four, and Big East titles didn't tarnish that legacy. Nobody was complaining when we were in the Final Four or winning Big East titles. Esh at least went to a Sweet Sixteen and a NIT championship Ewing won a Big East tournament title. People act like these coaches post-JT2 put the program on probation or gave the program death penalty sanctions. We just aren't winning right now. People just don't like JT2. Either they do a bad job of hiding it with their passive-aggressiveness or they are just blatant with it. Thamel and Feinstein used to get mocked on this very board with their anti-Georgetown sentiments. Some of this stuff we see posted here now would make them blink. It is pathetic. I guess you have misunderstood what I wrote; JT3 did not tarnish his dad's legacy. Instead, it was the man himself who built the program who continued to keep this program in his palm even after he retired, directly determining who gets to coach the program and who gets paid by the university. Yes, all of the previous coaches after Pops had bright spots you mentioned. Good memories and no one is denying them or has forgotten about them. But past is in the past; performance is measured based on what you produce now, not what you have produced before. As I wrote in another post previously, if we were Dartmouth playing in the Ivy League and JT3 had taken us to FF, he would have been forever immortalized and never lost the job. But this is not Dartmouth. We are Georgetown. People don't like JT2 and what they perceive as his control of the program. Counting other people's pockets. smh. UNC keeps it in the family. Michigan football likes to keep it in the family. G-town is terrible for doing it though. Mullin went to St. John's. Penny went to Memphis. Ewing, after serving 14 years as an NBA assistant was worth a shot. III won and dominated the Ivy league at Princeton. Georgetown was the next step and he won here. Esh was a long time assistant and lead recruiter. Dean gave the job to Gutheridge. Esh wasn't Gutheride, but we got an improvement with III. Of course, people hated the "selection-process" until we were in the Final Four, then we didn't hear a peep until III's final two years. We we've lost and we've won. It wasn't all bad. And you can't move on from JT2, whether the detractors like it or not. His name and presence is all over the place. His legacy is intact. People don't understands this. This is college athletics. Tradition is embraced by every new coach who arrives to a place with an established level of expectation and tradition. Only a fool would shun that legacy. Does Nick Saban hide from Bear Bryant's accomplishments? No. He embraced that legacy. He met those expectations and exceeded it. You can establish yourself and still embrace tradition and legacy.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 26, 2022 10:50:14 GMT -5
I guess you have misunderstood what I wrote; JT3 did not tarnish his dad's legacy. Instead, it was the man himself who built the program who continued to keep this program in his palm even after he retired, directly determining who gets to coach the program and who gets paid by the university. Yes, all of the previous coaches after Pops had bright spots you mentioned. Good memories and no one is denying them or has forgotten about them. But past is in the past; performance is measured based on what you produce now, not what you have produced before. As I wrote in another post previously, if we were Dartmouth playing in the Ivy League and JT3 had taken us to FF, he would have been forever immortalized and never lost the job. But this is not Dartmouth. We are Georgetown. People don't like JT2 and what they perceive as his control of the program. Counting other people's pockets. smh. UNC keeps it in the family. Michigan football likes to keep it in the family. G-town is terrible for doing it though. Mullin went to St. John's. Penny went to Memphis. Ewing, after serving 14 years as an NBA assistant was worth a shot. III won and dominated the Ivy league at Princeton. Georgetown was the next step and he won here. Esh was a long time assistant and lead recruiter. Dean gave the job to Gutheridge. Esh wasn't Gutheride, but we got an improvement with III. Of course, people hated the "selection-process" until we were in the Final Four, then we didn't hear a peep until III's final two years. We we've lost and we've won. It wasn't all bad. And you can't move on from JT2, whether the detractors like it or not. His name and presence is all over the place. His legacy is intact. People don't understands this. This is college athletics. Tradition is embraced by every new coach who arrives to a place with an established level of expectation and tradition. Only a fool would shun that legacy. Does Nick Saban hide from Bear Bryant's accomplishments? No. He embraced that legacy. He met those expectations and exceeded it. You can establish yourself and still embrace tradition and legacy. Again, no one is shunning his legacy; I stated in the beginning of my post that JT2 made big contribution not only to this school, but also transcending to the entire NCAA BB and the society. Did Bear Bryant actually stay at Ohio State and dictate who comes to be the coach and who gets hired by the school? Legacy and continuous control after retirement are two different things. Why can't we find our own Nick Saban, if Pops is Bear Bryant? Let me state it in other way - why can't we give ourselves a fair chance to find our own Nick Saban?
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 26, 2022 10:57:41 GMT -5
People don't like JT2 and what they perceive as his control of the program. Counting other people's pockets. smh. UNC keeps it in the family. Michigan football likes to keep it in the family. G-town is terrible for doing it though. Mullin went to St. John's. Penny went to Memphis. Ewing, after serving 14 years as an NBA assistant was worth a shot. III won and dominated the Ivy league at Princeton. Georgetown was the next step and he won here. Esh was a long time assistant and lead recruiter. Dean gave the job to Gutheridge. Esh wasn't Gutheride, but we got an improvement with III. Of course, people hated the "selection-process" until we were in the Final Four, then we didn't hear a peep until III's final two years. We we've lost and we've won. It wasn't all bad. And you can't move on from JT2, whether the detractors like it or not. His name and presence is all over the place. His legacy is intact. People don't understands this. This is college athletics. Tradition is embraced by every new coach who arrives to a place with an established level of expectation and tradition. Only a fool would shun that legacy. Does Nick Saban hide from Bear Bryant's accomplishments? No. He embraced that legacy. He met those expectations and exceeded it. You can establish yourself and still embrace tradition and legacy. Again, no one is shunning his legacy; I stated in the beginning of my post that JT2 made big contribution not only to this school, but also transcending to the entire NCAA BB and the society. Did Bear Bryant actually stay at Ohio State and dictate who comes to be the coach and who gets hired by the school? Legacy and continuous control after retirement are two different things. Why can't we find our own Nick Saban, if Pops is Bear Bryant? Let me state it in other way - why can't we give ourselves a fair chance to find our own Nick Saban? This part I absolutely agree with.
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 26, 2022 10:57:42 GMT -5
NO ONE here is saying the legacy of JTJr. should be shunned, but you don't have to be OF the legacy to embrace it and continue to honor it. Small vignette to that point: when The Thompson Center was dedicated and the big dinner to celebrate it was held --not sure if past tense is right, as the speeches may STILL be going -- there was one head coach we met from another school: Ed Cooley, who was there to show his respect for JTJr. and all he meant to him growing up in Providence and to his coaching career. I know some of us may disagree about Cooley's coaching chops, but the fact that he was there -- and a great guy too -- spoke volumes about the man. And I have to think there is NO CHANCE any serious candidate for the job wouldn't sincerely feel much the same way. I certainly think the administration would insist on it -- as would the rest of us.
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Post by the_way on Jan 26, 2022 11:00:18 GMT -5
The school fired his own son. Let that sink in for you.
His influence is legendary. Not just at this school, but across the country. Across disciplines. It transcended athletics.
JT2 is resting in peace, now. Thankfully, his legacy continues.
Go Hoyas!
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 26, 2022 11:06:34 GMT -5
The school fired his own son. Let that sink in for you. His influence is legendary. Not just at this school, but across the country. Across disciplines. It transcended athletics. JT2 is resting in peace, now. Thankfully, his legacy continues. Go Hoyas! The school fired his son a) after getting a permission from pops to also pay his sons millions remaining in the contract b) agreeing to hire his protege as a successor to keep it in the family, c) creating a job post for Ronnie to get paid multiple 6 figures a year for broadcasting other programs when we are playing With all that said, RIP to pops His legacy continues (with the potentially different definition of legacy for us)
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Post by bornhoya on Jan 26, 2022 11:14:26 GMT -5
I guess you have misunderstood what I wrote; JT3 did not tarnish his dad's legacy. Instead, it was the man himself who built the program who continued to keep this program in his palm even after he retired, directly determining who gets to coach the program and who gets paid by the university. Yes, all of the previous coaches after Pops had bright spots you mentioned. Good memories and no one is denying them or has forgotten about them. But past is in the past; performance is measured based on what you produce now, not what you have produced before. As I wrote in another post previously, if we were Dartmouth playing in the Ivy League and JT3 had taken us to FF, he would have been forever immortalized and never lost the job. But this is not Dartmouth. We are Georgetown. People don't like JT2 and what they perceive as his control of the program. Counting other people's pockets. smh. UNC keeps it in the family. Michigan football likes to keep it in the family. G-town is terrible for doing it though. Mullin went to St. John's. Penny went to Memphis. Ewing, after serving 14 years as an NBA assistant was worth a shot. III won and dominated the Ivy league at Princeton. Georgetown was the next step and he won here. Esh was a long time assistant and lead recruiter. Dean gave the job to Gutheridge. Esh wasn't Gutheride, but we got an improvement with III. Of course, people hated the "selection-process" until we were in the Final Four, then we didn't hear a peep until III's final two years. We we've lost and we've won. It wasn't all bad. And you can't move on from JT2, whether the detractors like it or not. His name and presence is all over the place. His legacy is intact. People don't understands this. This is college athletics. Tradition is embraced by every new coach who arrives to a place with an established level of expectation and tradition. Only a fool would shun that legacy. Does Nick Saban hide from Bear Bryant's accomplishments? No. He embraced that legacy. He met those expectations and exceeded it. You can establish yourself and still embrace tradition and legacy. I don’t think anyone is saying not embrace the past no matter who is the coach Big John will still be the coach that made Georgetown from now until forever and I think most people were excited when JT3 became the coach but you gotta admit this situation with Ewing ain’t working and it’s time to branch off from the normal way Gtown basketball does things. You bring up bama they did the same thing trying to keep everything in the family till they hired Saben and look how that has worked out for them
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Post by cas92 on Jan 26, 2022 11:15:29 GMT -5
The optics are not good. Is PE “tired” of the college grind? Did he take the job only out of respect for Big John? Without knowing anything about the author, one ray of hope is the fact that what often passes for “journalism” these days consists of starting from a preconceived theme and working the story and quotes around that. Medcalf is one of ESPN's anointed college hoops "experts" who spent a considerable segment of his radio program after JT's passing to articulate what the Georgetown brand meant to the African-American community throughout the country during the 1980s. He's likely partial to Thompson's legacy and proactively wouldn't try to besmirch it nor any associated personnel (i.e. Ewing). As an aside, mentioned (in an older thread) that personally wasn't enthused about Ewing taking the job (and would have preferred someone w/o any nexuses to the university) - he was responsible for piquing my interest in the program and the school - eventually leading me to attend; the conundrum was (even then)/(now) is how to extricate him out of a less-than-ideal situation w/ positive optics owing to the attendant visceral messiness. We're (probably) @ that juncture - and the uneasiness about relieving the program's best ever player from the head coaching position has been laid bare.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 26, 2022 11:28:09 GMT -5
The school fired his son a) after getting a permission from pops to also pay his sons millions remaining in the contract b) agreeing to hire his protege as a successor to keep it in the family, c) creating a job post for Ronnie to get paid multiple 6 figures a year for broadcasting other programs when we are playing. 1. The University did not get permission from anyone to fire JT III: it executed a six year contract extension in 2013 and released him after four. The remaining years were guaranteed under the terms of the contract. Nearly every major coaching contract today is constructed this way. 2. The University did not create a job for Ronny Thompson. While talking about Ronny is like talking about Fight Club, it is more likely he is a consultant to Ewing and/or the basketball office and thus is not listed as an employee, nor is his compensation subject to further disclosure. 3. As an independent contractor, Ronny is free to pursue other lines of work unless the terms of the deal preclude it.
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Post by the_way on Jan 26, 2022 11:42:41 GMT -5
People don't like JT2 and what they perceive as his control of the program. Counting other people's pockets. smh. UNC keeps it in the family. Michigan football likes to keep it in the family. G-town is terrible for doing it though. Mullin went to St. John's. Penny went to Memphis. Ewing, after serving 14 years as an NBA assistant was worth a shot. III won and dominated the Ivy league at Princeton. Georgetown was the next step and he won here. Esh was a long time assistant and lead recruiter. Dean gave the job to Gutheridge. Esh wasn't Gutheride, but we got an improvement with III. Of course, people hated the "selection-process" until we were in the Final Four, then we didn't hear a peep until III's final two years. We we've lost and we've won. It wasn't all bad. And you can't move on from JT2, whether the detractors like it or not. His name and presence is all over the place. His legacy is intact. People don't understands this. This is college athletics. Tradition is embraced by every new coach who arrives to a place with an established level of expectation and tradition. Only a fool would shun that legacy. Does Nick Saban hide from Bear Bryant's accomplishments? No. He embraced that legacy. He met those expectations and exceeded it. You can establish yourself and still embrace tradition and legacy. I don’t think anyone is saying not embrace the past no matter who is the coach Big John will still be the coach that made Georgetown from now until forever and I think most people were excited when JT3 became the coach but you gotta admit this situation with Ewing ain’t working and it’s time to branch off from the normal way Gtown basketball does things. You bring up bama they did the same thing trying to keep everything in the family till they hired Saben and look how that has worked out for them Frachione wasn't in the family. Neither was Mike Price (who got fired before he coached). Both were before Mike Shula and Saban.
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Post by bornhoya on Jan 26, 2022 11:55:16 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone is saying not embrace the past no matter who is the coach Big John will still be the coach that made Georgetown from now until forever and I think most people were excited when JT3 became the coach but you gotta admit this situation with Ewing ain’t working and it’s time to branch off from the normal way Gtown basketball does things. You bring up bama they did the same thing trying to keep everything in the family till they hired Saben and look how that has worked out for them Frachione wasn't in the family. Neither was Mike Price (who got fired before he coached). Both were before Mike Shula and Saban. So one coach lasted one year and one coach lasted no years my bad
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Post by hoyas212 on Jan 26, 2022 12:26:14 GMT -5
The optics are not good. Is PE “tired” of the college grind? Did he take the job only out of respect for Big John? Without knowing anything about the author, one ray of hope is the fact that what often passes for “journalism” these days consists of starting from a preconceived theme and working the story and quotes around that. Medcalf is one of ESPN's anointed college hoops "experts" who spent a considerable segment of his radio program after JT's passing to articulate what the Georgetown brand meant to the African-American community throughout the country during the 1980s. He's likely partial to Thompson's legacy and proactively wouldn't try to besmirch it nor any associated personnel (i.e. Ewing). As an aside, mentioned (in an older thread) that personally wasn't enthused about Ewing taking the job (and would have preferred someone w/o any nexuses to the university) - he was responsible for piquing my interest in the program and the school - eventually leading me to attend; the conundrum was (even then)/(now) is how to extricate him out of a less-than-ideal situation w/ positive optics owing to the attendant visceral messiness. We're (probably) @ that juncture - and the uneasiness about relieving the program's best ever player from the head coaching position has been laid bare. Agree with all of this. Medcalf takes no joy in the current situation like a Goodman is. Him writing this piece and Fr. Kemp being quoted was very interesting. Even maybe telling, as it would be a surprise if Medcalf even knows who Kemp is without being connected to him by the basketball office. Kemp definitely isn't speaking to the press without blessing from the very insular basketball office. This seemed like a very important piece, beyond the content of the article. Regardless of any hesitation Ewing may have had in taking the job, don't think anyone has any doubt that he cares deeply about the job and has worked diligently at it. In fact, he probably spends more time recruiting than a lot of head coaches. His resume as a player and nba assistant coach made him very worthy of the opportunity. I don't think Ewing was ever going to be an elite college coach, but think he has a lot of positive attributes and that this should be so much more successful. As a college coaching novice, he was done a tremendous disservice with the people put around him, and he did himself a disservice by not rectifying the situation. If Coach Ewing had started with coaches the caliber of Broadus, Burke, Johnson, and Henry, I have little doubt the program would be in a far better place in all facets. If the Ewing coaching era ends without even trying a staff overhaul first, that would be my 1 regret about the experiment.
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Post by boxout05 on Jan 26, 2022 14:50:46 GMT -5
2. The University did not create a job for Ronny Thompson. While talking about Ronny is like talking about Fight Club, it is more likely he is a consultant to Ewing and/or the basketball office and thus is not listed as an employee, nor is his compensation subject to further disclosure. 3. As an independent contractor, Ronny is free to pursue other lines of work unless the terms of the deal preclude it. Serious questions: 1.) What does he do for us? 2.) Are either of these arraignments good for the university?
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Post by Omega on Jan 26, 2022 15:31:19 GMT -5
No that ESPN said it and the whole world knows. Can some of you please go away. You have done your job...
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 26, 2022 21:26:30 GMT -5
Isn’t Mike Jones the old Radofrd coach? He’s a great coach . Not sure if that’s who you meant I can’t believe some people are still defending Coach Ewings record right now . You can make a case he should be canned today after that game last night . I think I've answered my own question (or what likely SHOULD be the answer): the former Dematha Mike Jones -- had no idea myself the depth of his connection to the high school talent pool/modern game, but just WOW. Great idea... www.usab.com/basketball/staff/j/jones-mike.aspxJust for grins, there’s also a Mike Jones who headed up the pro bono lawsuit against the state of MD that resulted recently in A HUGE win on behalf of HBUCs for discrimination by the state against them (big cash pay out and structural changes to the state system part of the remedy). THAT Mike a great guy with now some rep in the community — but nice as he is, think he has too good a gig at his law firm to give it up The moral of this thread may be that with some names — Mike Jones being one of them — more specificity is needed! (I once left a ticket at will call for a Hoya game for a very good friend that got picked up by the “wrong” Steve Smith). I was quite surprised when a guy I didn’t know from Adam sat down next to me…) This is hilarious. I guess you must have left the ticket for Steve Smith, the wide receiver.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 21:43:59 GMT -5
I guess you have misunderstood what I wrote; JT3 did not tarnish his dad's legacy. Instead, it was the man himself who built the program who continued to keep this program in his palm even after he retired, directly determining who gets to coach the program and who gets paid by the university. Yes, all of the previous coaches after Pops had bright spots you mentioned. Good memories and no one is denying them or has forgotten about them. But past is in the past; performance is measured based on what you produce now, not what you have produced before. As I wrote in another post previously, if we were Dartmouth playing in the Ivy League and JT3 had taken us to FF, he would have been forever immortalized and never lost the job. But this is not Dartmouth. We are Georgetown. People don't like JT2 and what they perceive as his control of the program. Counting other people's pockets. smh. UNC keeps it in the family. Michigan football likes to keep it in the family. G-town is terrible for doing it though. Mullin went to St. John's. Penny went to Memphis. Ewing, after serving 14 years as an NBA assistant was worth a shot. III won and dominated the Ivy league at Princeton. Georgetown was the next step and he won here. Esh was a long time assistant and lead recruiter. Dean gave the job to Gutheridge. Esh wasn't Gutheride, but we got an improvement with III. Of course, people hated the "selection-process" until we were in the Final Four, then we didn't hear a peep until III's final two years. We we've lost and we've won. It wasn't all bad. And you can't move on from JT2, whether the detractors like it or not. His name and presence is all over the place. His legacy is intact. People don't understands this. This is college athletics. Tradition is embraced by every new coach who arrives to a place with an established level of expectation and tradition.
Only a fool would shun that legacy. Does Nick Saban hide from Bear Bryant's accomplishments? No. He embraced that legacy. He met those expectations and exceeded it. You can establish yourself and still embrace tradition and legacy. Eh, maybe. I usually just see a lot of dudes wearing ties with school colors to their introductory press conferences. If by “tradition” you mean a program that has a history of success, pays the coach $2mm+ and has a supportive fan base, yes - they definitely embrace that. Hoyas are down to 2 of those 3 now. Still a top job (more so b/c they’re in the BE) but waning a bit.
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