hoyas212
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Post by hoyas212 on Jan 29, 2022 18:47:07 GMT -5
You’ve never once made the argument that you think you are making. Eligibility of an entire roster, many of whom don’t play, isn’t a good metric for experience. A 5 star Freshman is more valuable than a Senior walk-on. Not to mention, 1.4 and 1.5 are very close anyway. And Marquette is in the top 25 in their coaches’ 1st season at MU, while GU is now #173 per Kenpom in their coaches’ 5th season. That is an enormous gap, more than 2 NCAA tournaments worth of teams. Tim having so few games under his belt as a Junior is either an indictment on his ability to get on the floor in his first 2 seasons or the staff for bringing in 3 players at the same position in the same class + Yurtseven. A more useful comparison would be GU under Ewing vs. JT3 vs. Esherick. Hint, it looks very bad for Ewing. And it gets even worse when you account for his predecessors not having a first class practice facility to use or sell, or the benefit of competing in a watered-down iteration of the Big East. LOL!! Just when I prove you guys wrong, yet again, you try to change the narrative. You the one that keeps blurting out Marquette is younger than we are crap not me. I just proved you guys wrong yet again! Hilarious!! Men lie, women lie but the numbers don't lie so stop it with this Marquette is younger than us foolishness! LOL!! Since numbers don’t lie, what is Ewing’s record overall and in the Big East and how does it compare to his predecessors?
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Post by prhoya on Jan 29, 2022 19:02:01 GMT -5
LOL!! Just when I prove you guys wrong, yet again, you try to change the narrative. You the one that keeps blurting out Marquette is younger than we are crap not me. I just proved you guys wrong yet again! Hilarious!! Men lie, women lie but the numbers don't lie so stop it with this Marquette is younger than us foolishness! LOL!! Since numbers don’t lie, what is Ewing’s record overall and in the Big East and how does it compare to his predecessors? Since the OOC can be manipulated by cupcakes, I think a better comparison is BE records: Patrick Ewing’s BE coaching record vs.:Jordan (Butler): 4-6 (home 1-4, away 3-2)Hurley (UConn): 0-3 (h 0-1, a 0-2) MacDermott (Creighton): 3-6 (h 1-3, a 1-3, n 1-0) Leitao (DePaul): 4-3 (h 2-1, a 2-2) Stubblefield (DePaul): 0-0 Wojciechowski (Marquette) 2-6 (h 0-4, a 1-2, n 1-0) Smart (Marquette): 0-1 (h 0-1, a 0-0) Cooley (Providence): 3-5 (h 2-2, a 1-3) Willard (Seton Hall): 4-6 (h 3-1, a 0-4, n 1-1) Mullin (SJU): 3-2 (h 1-1, a 2-0, n 0-1) Anderson (SJU): 3-3 (h 2-0, a 1-2, n 0-1) Wright (Villanova): 2-8 (h 1-4, a 0-4, n 1-0) Mack (Xavier): 0-2 (h 0-1, a 0-1) Steele (Xavier): 2-3 (h 2-1, a 0-2) Patrick Ewing’s Big East regular season record: 2017-18 (5-13) = .278 2018-19 (9-9) = .500 2019-20 (5-13) = .278 2020-21 (7-9) = .438 2021-22 (0-7) = .000BET (4-3) = .571 BE regular season w/ BET: 30-54 (h 15-24, a 11-27, n 4-3) = .357BE regular season w/o BET: 26-51 (h 15-24, a 11-27) = .337Notes:Craig Esherick’s BE record (1999-2004): ---BE overall 46-59 (.438); BE reg. sea. 41–53 (.436); BET 5-6 (.454) John Thompson III’s BE record (2005-2017): ---BE overall 146-106 (.579); BE reg. sea. 131–94 (.580); BET 15-12 (.555)
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lda05816
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Post by lda05816 on Jan 29, 2022 21:08:44 GMT -5
Anyone that believes what we’ve seen in Big East play is progress is delusional. This team has dropped over 50 spots in KenPom since the start of BE play and is in contention for the worst power conference defense since KP started tracking that. I tend to believe they’ll win a game where they shoot well and their opponent doesn’t. But unless you believe this defense will magically not be atrocious, they may go winless and there won’t be anything close to progess shown.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 0:03:28 GMT -5
For GU to win one of the remaining games: the opponent will need to be ice cold from 3, maybe have some COVID issues, and GU will need to be hot from 3 (which they have been pretty often). Nova, UConn, and maybe a couple others are L’s regardless. There probably will be 1 or 2 wins, but the national media is already attuned to the program’s historically bad season. In its seventh season without an AP Top 25 appearance, I think Georgetown is sufficiently off the radar (read=not in ESPN's discussion) and so the national media hasn't dwelled on it in full throat. ESPN's College Gameday did a feature on "Bluebloods vs. New Bloods", loosely defined as Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, and Carolina vs. the likes of Baylor, Auburn, Gonzaga, and Villanova. Georgetown never came up. The New York press likely weighs in with the upcoming games with Seton Hall and St. John's. FWIW, I think it's easy for Tony Kornheiser to pop off because there's no John Thompson to call him at two in the morning. and, probably without meaning to, you've encapsulated why this program is now where it is
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 30, 2022 11:03:07 GMT -5
To be fair …on the blue bloods segment on Game Day…they did show a clip of Ewing dunking. While they didn’t say “georgetown” they showed a clip of georgetown. At the same time, your point is well taken. Georgetown basketball has been driven off the national radar.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 30, 2022 22:19:42 GMT -5
Students only at McD against St. John’s. This is the game we’ll win.
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Jan 30, 2022 22:22:00 GMT -5
Post by tafkashfsee on Jan 30, 2022 22:22:00 GMT -5
Students only at McD against St. John’s. This is the game we’ll win. Same ol' same ol'
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Post by Retro_hoya on Feb 1, 2022 23:27:29 GMT -5
Well. Didn’t want to have to post this but the March continues. I really thought, when we took the lead late in the 2nd half, that Seton Hall would be the first W.
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 1, 2022 23:30:42 GMT -5
I don’t want this (0-20) to happen but if/when we do get wins I want it to be despite Ewing’s inept decision making and can’t wait to watch him take in the glory when everyone knows it was the players who decided just to do their own thing that was totally trash. I don’t know how anyone could continue to play for a coach that trashes you by name when they run the whole damn thing
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 2, 2022 0:16:09 GMT -5
Bart Torvik now puts it at a 7.2% chance we go 0-19 (assuming the 2nd Xavier game does not get re-scheduled).
Unlikely? Yes. But that we are even approaching percentages that are no longer miniscule or out of the realm of possibility is frightening.
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Feb 2, 2022 0:56:42 GMT -5
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Post by 617hoya on Feb 2, 2022 0:56:42 GMT -5
This is all very depressing. Not sure I can take 6 more weeks of this.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 2, 2022 7:36:18 GMT -5
He’s been consistently terrible.
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Post by royski on Feb 2, 2022 14:34:45 GMT -5
Bart Torvik now puts it at a 7.2% chance we go 0-19 (assuming the 2nd Xavier game does not get re-scheduled). Unlikely? Yes. But that we are even approaching percentages that are no longer miniscule or out of the realm of possibility is frightening. Will Vegas give me 15 to 1? Because I'd take that for a substantial sum.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 2, 2022 14:40:35 GMT -5
Bart Torvik now puts it at a 7.2% chance we go 0-19 (assuming the 2nd Xavier game does not get re-scheduled). Unlikely? Yes. But that we are even approaching percentages that are no longer miniscule or out of the realm of possibility is frightening. Will Vegas give me 15 to 1? Because I'd take that for a substantial sum. Unfortunately not (at least to my knowledge), but teasing each game lightly + parlaying has been pretty successful and probably would yield the same result in the long run.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 2, 2022 16:23:00 GMT -5
I know I started this thread, out of increasing frustration, depression, agony - but I desperately hope these young men, and the staff, keep working and put a handful of wins together. I would hate to have them saddled with a no-win season on the record books. The players are fine young men trying their best within their abilities. The staff works equally hard - although I agree that it is distasteful for Patrick to criticize individual players and rarely acknowledge any failure on his part.
Let's get off the schneid against the Johnnie's.
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Post by wsdhoya on Feb 3, 2022 14:23:45 GMT -5
Remember right after the King dismissal when I said I couldn’t see anything but 3 to 6 wins? I was laughed at. Some people legitimately thought we would win more than 10 games and somehow convinced themselves we had a good roster. I know the sport has changed a ton and has become much more difficult to follow closely with all of the attrition and transfers in each program, but come on now we should in no way be surprised by what is happening this year. We have a terrible coach that has failed to build any sort of program, a fanbase that has mostly evaporated, and a roster that would legitimately struggle to beat a good high school team like IMG.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 3, 2022 14:46:45 GMT -5
Remember right after the King dismissal when I said I couldn’t see anything but 3 to 6 wins? I was laughed at. Some people legitimately thought we would win more than 10 games and somehow convinced themselves we had a good roster. I know the sport has changed a ton and has become much more difficult to follow closely with all of the attrition and transfers in each program, but come on now we should in no way be surprised by what is happening this year. We have a terrible coach that has failed to build any sort of program, a fanbase that has mostly evaporated, and a roster that would legitimately struggle to beat a good high school team like IMG. A bit overstated in my opinion. With the right coaching and offensive and defensive schemes, we could be middle of the pack or slightly lower. Without that we have the current results.
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Post by Retro_hoya on Feb 3, 2022 20:14:48 GMT -5
Remember right after the King dismissal when I said I couldn’t see anything but 3 to 6 wins? I was laughed at. Some people legitimately thought we would win more than 10 games and somehow convinced themselves we had a good roster. I know the sport has changed a ton and has become much more difficult to follow closely with all of the attrition and transfers in each program, but come on now we should in no way be surprised by what is happening this year. We have a terrible coach that has failed to build any sort of program, a fanbase that has mostly evaporated, and a roster that would legitimately struggle to beat a good high school team like IMG. On behalf of, I’m sure, many of us - I’m sorry for laughing at your accurate take. I may not have been a member but I was reading the threads as a guest. What a bummer of a season to have joined the board for 😂
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bamahoya11
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 4, 2022 21:14:53 GMT -5
We are getting to the point where a winless league season is a real possibility. Whether it’s 0-20 or some other record, I don’t know. I do know we have been swept by St. John’s and Butler. We have two games remaining against DePaul, and our remaining games will be against teams that have different levels of postseason aspirations. Those teams will have a really strong incentive to beat us to avoid what would be a terrible loss for their NCAA Tournament resumes.
The team we match up with best is Butler. Butler doesn’t have an especially good offense and isn’t really cohesive on either side of the ball. They’ve struggled in the league this year and didn’t have a lot of momentum either time they played us. Even so, they blew us out in DC. The game in Indianapolis was closer, but Butler still really controlled the game. We never took any sort of lead that had Butler in trouble. They controlled both games and won them both.
DePaul isn’t a great team, but they’re quite a bit better than we are. If we can’t beat DePaul, I don’t see many other opportunities. We could beat someone random in an upset. Georgia got its first SEC win over Alabama, and they’re one of the other worst teams in a major league conference. Maybe we surprise Providence on Sunday or something similar. I think 3 wins is the absolute ceiling, though, and a winless year is quite possible. As it sits, I think we win 1 or 2 games, maybe splitting with DePaul and upsetting someone else. I don’t see any more than that, though.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 4, 2022 22:46:15 GMT -5
If we win one or two league games it would be great for the team, but it wouldn’t change the trajectory of the program. One of these days we are bound to be hot while our opponent is cold.
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