mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 8, 2021 11:58:53 GMT -5
I agree Beard should play more. I don't know about the Ball Will Move Around More part... but I think more Beard minutes will help Harris play at his best while he's out there. 30+ minutes regularly now - whether these OOC games are close or not - means tired legs later in conference play. Coach will play freshmen if he thinks they can play (Akinjo, Mac, LeBlanc, Dante, Aminu) Like with Bile vs Berger/Sibley/etc last year. There must be a reason he is playing one over the other. On top of coach having vastly more experience than anyone here on this board, we have such a small sample size to make an assessment on a new player whereas Coach has hours of watching a player from practice and scrimmage. But we’re losing games and looking pretty bad doing it, so I’m not sure that I have the same level of faith and trust in what coach is seeing or not seeing to believe his reasoning is valid. Maybe a year or two ago, I would’ve believed that they just weren’t ready, but for better or worse I think Ewing struggles with managing personnel at this level. If the goal is to win now, that’s fine, but running the current lineups isn’t accomplishing that, so maybe you gotta try some thing different?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 12:18:59 GMT -5
I agree Beard should play more. I don't know about the Ball Will Move Around More part... but I think more Beard minutes will help Harris play at his best while he's out there. 30+ minutes regularly now - whether these OOC games are close or not - means tired legs later in conference play. Coach will play freshmen if he thinks they can play (Akinjo, Mac, LeBlanc, Dante, Aminu) Like with Bile vs Berger/Sibley/etc last year. There must be a reason he is playing one over the other. On top of coach having vastly more experience than anyone here on this board, we have such a small sample size to make an assessment on a new player whereas Coach has hours of watching a player from practice and scrimmage. There's NOT playing Beard, which I don't have any issues with if Beard isn't ready and NOT subbing enough for Harris -- which I think is more my concern. If Carey is taking some of those backup minutes... so be it. Unfortunately I don't think Don should be getting all these early minutes either. Beyond that, I don't know what you do for a PG backup... It's not a major quibble. But I'd like to see Beard around a regular 10+/game (he's looked OK to me so far), and Don/Dante top out around 30.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 8, 2021 12:35:41 GMT -5
Coach will play freshmen if he thinks they can play (Akinjo, Mac, LeBlanc, Dante, Aminu) Like with Bile vs Berger/Sibley/etc last year. There must be a reason he is playing one over the other. On top of coach having vastly more experience than anyone here on this board, we have such a small sample size to make an assessment on a new player whereas Coach has hours of watching a player from practice and scrimmage. There's NOT playing Beard, which I don't have any issues with if Beard isn't ready and NOT subbing enough for Harris -- which I think is more my concern. If Carey is taking some of those backup minutes... so be it. Unfortunately I don't think Don should be getting all these early minutes either. Beyond that, I don't know what you do for a PG backup... It's not a major quibble. But I'd like to see Beard around a regular 10+/game (he's looked OK to me so far), and Don/Dante top out around 30. Maybe some Riley too to bring the ball up and start the offense, maybe probe to his preferred 17-ft spot to see how the defense reacts… That said, I want another year of Carey: “Through seven games, Carey leads the BIG EAST and ranks sixth in the nation with a 95.8 percent efficiency at the free throw line, going 23-for-24 in his opportunities. The Hoya captain also sits in a three-way tie for third in the conference with a 46.9 field goal percentage from behind the arc.“ These are just phenomenal numbers. Add Denver to that and it’s exactly what is winning games nowadays.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 8, 2021 13:06:13 GMT -5
I agree Beard should play more. I don't know about the Ball Will Move Around More part... but I think more Beard minutes will help Harris play at his best while he's out there. 30+ minutes regularly now - whether these OOC games are close or not - means tired legs later in conference play. Coach will play freshmen if he thinks they can play (Akinjo, Mac, LeBlanc, Dante, Aminu) Like with Bile vs Berger/Sibley/etc last year. There must be a reason he is playing one over the other. On top of coach having vastly more experience than anyone here on this board, we have such a small sample size to make an assessment on a new player whereas Coach has hours of watching a player from practice and scrimmage. Mac wasn't ready as a freshman. He was the worst player on the team if you look at the advanced numbers. Coach just gave him a much longer leash than he ever should have had. Riley has not looked great on offense yet but I'm sure if he had the green light that Mac unfathomably had he could put up the numbers Mac did. The difference is that Riley actually plays D. The freshman as a group have actually been our best defenders. Also not sure if you have paid attention to Sibley this year but he's putting up very solid numbers starting on a team that is currently ranked higher than the Hoyas.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 8, 2021 13:07:27 GMT -5
On Sunday, I saw Beard stand up- he thought he was going in- only to be mistaken- it was someone else, and have to sit back down. I feel for him. Of course, I want 50-75 more subs a game...but that is another topic. I like Beard and want to see him play real minutes.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 8, 2021 13:09:32 GMT -5
On Sunday, I saw Beard stand up- he thought he was going in- only to be mistaken- it was someone else, and have to sit back down. I feel for him. Of course, I want 50-75 more subs a game...but that is another topic. I like Beard and want to see him play real minutes. And not that it's a good reason to play somebody, but Tyler's mother on Sunday tweeted some dissatisfaction. Keep in mind Jordan Riley's playing time went up after his dad went public on Twitter with dissatisfaction. At some point, you have to play kids or you're going to keep losing them every offseason.
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Post by saxagael on Dec 8, 2021 13:17:41 GMT -5
Coach will play freshmen if he thinks they can play (Akinjo, Mac, LeBlanc, Dante, Aminu) Like with Bile vs Berger/Sibley/etc last year. There must be a reason he is playing one over the other. On top of coach having vastly more experience than anyone here on this board, we have such a small sample size to make an assessment on a new player whereas Coach has hours of watching a player from practice and scrimmage. There's NOT playing Beard, which I don't have any issues with if Beard isn't ready and NOT subbing enough for Harris -- which I think is more my concern. If Carey is taking some of those backup minutes... so be it. Unfortunately I don't think Don should be getting all these early minutes either. Beyond that, I don't know what you do for a PG backup... It's not a major quibble. But I'd like to see Beard around a regular 10+/game (he's looked OK to me so far), and Don/Dante top out around 30. I'd like to see Harris have fewer minutes, to keep him fresh, but also to get Beard more accustomed to PG at D1 level. I'm not sure what Ewing's preferences is for not playing Beard more, other than when he doesn't have the ball he seems a bit lost and not providing a good passing path back out to teammates. Dante does that really well. Beard seems rather good on the defensive and and give a bit more length which helps, but doesn't have Dantes tenatious tough defense against the other team's top guard. Carey isn't a point in the slightest and hasn't ever really been in that role, he can bring the ball up, but really isn't a point. Carey is a decent passer, but doesn't create for others and is limited on creating for himself. Most teams with a really good point guard only have one, they may have one that is a couple years behind and working into rotation ready. Hoyas have two in Dante who is D1 ready to go, and Beard who is adjusting his game (as well as knocking the rust off that Hargrave added). Aminu would be an options, but doesn't see the court well other than seeing himself and his passing is really poor and off target quite often (he will kick to a wide open player and the player has to get out of being set to get the ball and any advantage the shooter had is lost becuase of a horrible pass).
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 8, 2021 13:27:23 GMT -5
As a whole, I’ve been pretty underwhelmed by the freshmen, including Aminu. I’m not sold this group has 3-4 future starters in the bunch as of now. Aminu aside, who you can see his raw talent and has put up numbers, we witnessed far more promising starts from Govan, Derrickson, Blair, Pickett, Mac, Akinjo, Leblanc, Wahab in their first 10 games.
Granted some had longer leashes / more opportunity (partly because we had some OKC games where we’d cruise unlike this year), but still I’ve yet to see any of the guys other than Aminu show anything more than a brief glimpse of potential. Not even a solid half.
Going forward I have no problem cutting Dante’s time to ensure Riley and Beard get a longer run. Dante has a ton of heart, but he makes far too many poor decisions for someone on the court as much he is. I’d rather him play harder and smarter for a briefer time, than overextend him at the risk of poor stretches. As has been posted before, don’t confuse activity for achievement.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 8, 2021 13:36:35 GMT -5
As a whole, I’ve been pretty underwhelmed by the freshmen, including Aminu. I’m not sold this group has 3-4 future starters in the bunch as of now. Aminu aside, who you can see his raw talent and has put up numbers, we witnessed far more promising starts from Govan, Derrickson, Blair, Pickett, Mac, Akinjo, Leblanc, Wahab in their first 10 games. Granted some had longer leashes / more opportunity (partly because we had some OKC games where we’d cruise unlike this year), but still I’ve yet to see any of the guys other than Aminu show anything more than a brief glimpse of potential. Not even a solid half. Going forward I have no problem cutting Dante’s time to ensure Riley and Beard get a longer run. Dante has a ton of heart, but he makes far too many poor decisions for someone on the court as much he is. I’d rather him play harder and smarter for a briefer time, than overextend him at the risk of poor stretches. As has been posted before, don’t confuse activity for achievement. Dante needs to learn when to slow down and change pace. Going 100 mph all the time is neither effective nor efficient.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 8, 2021 13:53:01 GMT -5
"All the leaves are brown and the sky is gray..." Hey, what better way to spend an ugly winter's night than watching Hoya basketball? So pour that Maker's Mark and relax. Win or lose it beats another Homeowners Association meeting (just barely).
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 8, 2021 15:20:50 GMT -5
...if they can make it, perhaps some of us should too.
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Post by bluegray79 on Dec 8, 2021 15:54:20 GMT -5
Will be watching in Connecticut and sending my frosh son to cheer in person. Let's go Hoyas!
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 8, 2021 16:04:10 GMT -5
How about some improvement tonight eh? Or am I just crazy expecting a different result same process. Almost would rather take a loss with real improvement (not grasping at straws nonsense) than a win with strategy and moves that will have us embarrassed in conference play so I hope for a good win here and I wanna see beard more as burnout hurts Dante and the whole team so let’s get itttt
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 8, 2021 16:22:10 GMT -5
We are 6.5/7 points favorites. Seems a bit much with their offensive profile. I can't believe I just typed that us being that small of favorites over UMBC seems like a lot. I expect lots of 3 and points tonight in what should be an entertaining game.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 8, 2021 17:02:17 GMT -5
We are 6.5/7 points favorites. Seems a bit much with their offensive profile. I can't believe I just typed that us being that small of favorites over UMBC seems like a lot. I expect lots of 3 and points tonight in what should be an entertaining game. Have you noticed that after the beginning of the season were not referring to any opponent as a cupcake? Says a lot.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 8, 2021 19:03:27 GMT -5
If you think about a ‘play above a replacement’ metric as a quasi ‘wins above replacement’ type metric, Beard hasn’t yet to show me how he would bring anything above a replacement. That is not to say he won’t develop to contribute something meaningful above a replacement, I just haven’t seen it yet. He looks like a freshman trying to find his way.
I thought Riley looked better than he had against South Carolina.
I worry if Ryan will ever be athletic enough despite his offensive skills.
I am surprised Billingsley got the hype he did. He contributes more than is in the box score as there is almost nothing in the box score.
Aminu is the opposite of Billingsley. For as poorly as I think Aminu has played, he has been very productive on the box score. iMHO, he has tremendous improvement available to him. He is one of our leaders statistically without playing very well.
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Post by kettlehill on Dec 8, 2021 19:29:03 GMT -5
These Kids all have to slow the game down and I include Dante in that. Aminu has limited his reckless attacks at the basket lately- but should his Chris Wright/LJ Peak attack mentality be discouraged? I hope not. He has shown consistent improvement in his decision making. He is a 6'5" guard playing a better Power forward that we have had in a while. If Pat goes away from the press, he will waste Riley and Billingslys athleticism. Press, Press and let these kids create a defensive identity. The offense will come, especially from Riley. Let the kids play. I think Pat is feeling the pressure to win- screw the wins- let the kids create an identity and the wins will come later.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Dec 8, 2021 20:26:02 GMT -5
May not even be 500 people here. Sigh.
On the plus side, maybe they read feedback here, because they finally changed the background color of the out of town scoreboard so you can actually read it.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Dec 8, 2021 20:29:31 GMT -5
Thankfully FoxSports 1 is on Comcast and can be streamed. Streaming picture is so much better.
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Post by saxagael on Dec 8, 2021 20:33:32 GMT -5
The stream is a bit behind live.
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