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Post by saxagael on Nov 30, 2021 13:09:33 GMT -5
I did a 2nd watch of the game and St. Joe's was running the Hoyas (mostly Rice, who was doing far better job than I gave him credit for on defense) through 2 to 4 picks to get him open. But, Funk mostly was hitting rather well guarded shots. The St. Joe's run happened more on Hoya's misses early in the shot clock taking poor shots. But, also a young team not talking and lacking a defender sitting back and directing the defense as Pickett did last year, as well as Bile late in the year. Funk, much like Cornish for Dartmouth, were hitting contested shots, which is what they do. But, the teams and the players work hard to get slightly open and can make shots slightly open. I disagree. There were plenty of uncontested shots, but I cannot rewatch it. But the game thread helps… Most of the open shots in the first half weren't Funk, it was others, who weren't making them. Going back and rewatcing what actually happened, not people posting things that arn't quite correct is a bit different. It is why I went back to rewatch. I was also trying to sort out why Dante was chasing the ball on some plays, which watching live drove me nuts. Dante was picking up the ball off picks and as a rotation, which his man was properly picked up, but the rotation stopped there. Funk had 3 really open shots, but most had somebody on him rather closely. The second half St. Joe's was running double picks and back picks to stop rotations. Lacking a mature players sitting in the middle or back edge, like Picket and Bile did last year hurts.Having young players who aren't talking (you can hear Patrick goiing nuts about this exact thing in game) is tough.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 30, 2021 13:11:06 GMT -5
I disagree. There were plenty of uncontested shots, but I cannot rewatch it. But the game thread helps… Most of the open shots in the first half weren't Funk, it was others, who weren't making them. Going back and rewatcing what actually happened, not people posting things that arn't quite correct is a bit different. It is why I went back to rewatch. I was also trying to sort out why Dante was chasing the ball on some plays, which watching live drove me nuts. Dante was picking up the ball off picks and as a rotation, which his man was properly picked up, but the rotation stopped there. Funk had 3 really open shots, but most had somebody on him rather closely. The second half St. Joe's was running double picks and back picks to stop rotations. Lacking a mature players sitting in the middle or back edge, like Picket and Bile did last year hurts.Having young players who aren't talking (you can hear Patrick goiing nuts about this exact thing in game) is tough. Those two last sentences I can agree with… with our roster, it’s a huge problem for this year and the next… who in our front court can direct traffic?
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Post by tashoya on Nov 30, 2021 13:23:49 GMT -5
Expecting Georgetown to beat Dartmouth and St. Joe’s is unfair? What about Longwood? Is expecting a win there aiming too high? Their top scorer was 8 for 10 from 3 pt line, how many time do you think that will happen in his career? We lost but put up a fight to get the end. This season will be tough, but if everyone stays and we pick up one or two super big guys next season who know. We need some recruits that can fill in our gaps. We're relatively small and largely inexperienced. Ewing needs some good fortune, like he was for Georgetown as a college player. This is a different era, but we need to turn the tide. We're going in the right direction but I think we need bigs who are better in every way. Well, we know from past experience, if it's going to happen again, it'll be against us. Seemingly, every game an opponent has a career night from 3.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 30, 2021 13:26:47 GMT -5
Most of the open shots in the first half weren't Funk, it was others, who weren't making them. Going back and rewatcing what actually happened, not people posting things that arn't quite correct is a bit different. It is why I went back to rewatch. I was also trying to sort out why Dante was chasing the ball on some plays, which watching live drove me nuts. Dante was picking up the ball off picks and as a rotation, which his man was properly picked up, but the rotation stopped there. Funk had 3 really open shots, but most had somebody on him rather closely. The second half St. Joe's was running double picks and back picks to stop rotations. Lacking a mature players sitting in the middle or back edge, like Picket and Bile did last year hurts.Having young players who aren't talking (you can hear Patrick goiing nuts about this exact thing in game) is tough. Those two last sentences I can agree with… with our roster, it’s a huge problem for this year and the next… who in our front court can direct traffic? Ryan has been doing it a little, but his personal defense needs owrk. Billingsley is the other. I think Billingsley, if he adjusts just a bit more may start filling this role a bit this year. Watching how well Goergoetwon teams grow up in season and improve, I don't know that it is a two year problem. I'd hope to see that change starting this year. Both Ryan and JBill have the basketball IQ to do it and their games are both changing in the handful of games we have had so far. BTW, Fox Sports 2 has past games available for streaming, if you have it in your cable package.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 30, 2021 13:46:31 GMT -5
Those two last sentences I can agree with… with our roster, it’s a huge problem for this year and the next… who in our front court can direct traffic? Ryan has been doing it a little, but his personal defense needs owrk. Billingsley is the other. I think Billingsley, if he adjusts just a bit more may start filling this role a bit this year. Watching how well Goergoetwon teams grow up in season and improve, I don't know that it is a two year problem. I'd hope to see that change starting this year. Both Ryan and JBill have the basketball IQ to do it and their games are both changing in the handful of games we have had so far. BTW, Fox Sports 2 has past games available for streaming, if you have it in your cable package. They are too young and not leaders right now. Unfortunately for our defense, the leaders are guards (Dante and Don) and both would need to have their heads on a swivel which could lead to them losing their assignments.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 30, 2021 13:54:54 GMT -5
Ryan has been doing it a little, but his personal defense needs owrk. Billingsley is the other. I think Billingsley, if he adjusts just a bit more may start filling this role a bit this year. Watching how well Goergoetwon teams grow up in season and improve, I don't know that it is a two year problem. I'd hope to see that change starting this year. Both Ryan and JBill have the basketball IQ to do it and their games are both changing in the handful of games we have had so far. BTW, Fox Sports 2 has past games available for streaming, if you have it in your cable package. They are too young and not leaders right now. Unfortunately for our defense, the leaders are guards (Dante and Don) and both would need to have their heads on a swivel which could lead to them losing their assignments. At least one of those guys loses his assignments in the halfcourt anyway, running around like a chicken with his head cut off, leading to wide open 3s...
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Post by saxagael on Nov 30, 2021 13:59:11 GMT -5
Ryan has been doing it a little, but his personal defense needs owrk. Billingsley is the other. I think Billingsley, if he adjusts just a bit more may start filling this role a bit this year. Watching how well Goergoetwon teams grow up in season and improve, I don't know that it is a two year problem. I'd hope to see that change starting this year. Both Ryan and JBill have the basketball IQ to do it and their games are both changing in the handful of games we have had so far. BTW, Fox Sports 2 has past games available for streaming, if you have it in your cable package. They are too young and not leaders right now. Unfortunately for our defense, the leaders are guards (Dante and Don) and both would need to have their heads on a swivel which could lead to them losing their assignments. You can't see and control the defense from the front. Age has little to do with it, understanding of the game has everything to do with it. Ryan and Billingsley have shown their IQ, but the playing part is still coming to them. Watching Cornish, during the Dartmouth game is was helping their upper classmen understand what they weren't seeing. He's a freshman who really gets the game. He watches and adjusts from the sides and helps the other guards / wings. Dante is an insanely good on ball defender, who last year was putting on a showcase how to defend on ball in the last ⅓rd of the season. He had a master class going each game. But, playing up top against point guards you can't see what is happening on the wings nor the middle. That had so come from someone in the middle or back wing. Ewing preaches agressive man defense, but that comes with needing a really good defensive caller in the back to help rotations and when things breakdown.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 30, 2021 14:02:58 GMT -5
Yes, and that’s why we could be in trouble this year and next. For Ryan and Bill to get there, first they’ll need to be able to play Pickett minutes.
For those who have gone to the games, how vocal is Tim?
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Post by conshyhoya on Nov 30, 2021 14:18:12 GMT -5
We may well have single digit wins this season. No matter the circumstance, you can't keep a coach with a barely .500 record over 4 years who follows that up with a single digit win season. As for whether we should play the young guys this year to build experience for the future - the odds that anyone on the current team will be a member of the next Georgetown team that competes for an NCAA tournament appearance are exceedingly slim. I'll be surprised if we don't have a new coach next season, starting a new "year one of the rebuild" from a new "rock bottom" position for the program. The guys on the current team who don't transfer out with the coaching change will have likely have graduated by the time we are competitive again. If we have single digit wins this year and bring back Ewing next season - then I'm pretty much ready to give up on the program ever being relevant again. This would mean that the school leadership is not interested in accepting the reality of what it takes to build a successful program in modern college basketball. It's painful to lay this out. I'm sure everyone here loves and respects Ewing. But it's not working. The tough thing for Georgetown with both JTIII and Ewing is that firing the head coach in each case was loaded with much more emotional stuff than is involved when most schools have to consider firing an unsuccessful HC. For us - first we were firing the son of the man who made the program nationally relevant, and who was a cultural icon well beyond basketball. Now we would be firing the player who made the program nationally relevant, and was the surrogate son of the program's icon. That's a lot to load on top of the already difficult decision about when to fire a coach. As many have said, we probably should have made a clean break from the direct Thompson legacy when we let JTIII go. But the institution was not ready to do this yet, maybe because Big John was still alive. If we make the same mistake again, and either keep Ewing beyond this year (if things go as badly as t looks like they are going to go over the next few months), or hire someone else from the direct Thompson extended family - then I'm done holding out hope for anything better than what we have seen since things began to go fully bad (2015-16 season). I'll still follow the team as closely as ever, but absent any realistic hope that the institutional leadership will ever understand what is needed to return the program to national relevance. The only other sports team I root for passionately is the NY Giants. The parallels between the Giants and Hoyas is pretty remarkable. The Mara family (Giant owners) are just as tied to the old approaches that won Super Bowls in the past as Georgetown leadership is tied to old approaches that got us to Final Fours in the past. This week has been pretty much the worst sports fan week of my life. The Hoyas losing these two games in borderline embarrassing fashion, and the Giants losing in similar fashion to Tampa on Monday and (almost surely) to the hated Eagles tomorrow. I am a beaten man as a sports fan. I don't even get upset when the Hoyas/Giants lose anymore, because I have zero expectation of ever winning any game. But I keep watching, rooting, and hoping. Unfortunately, the "hope" part of that equation has been almost fully snuffed out. I'm in the same boat. Only other team I follow this closely is Nebraska football. I haven't missed watching a game for either in years. The similarities are amazing. Brought back Frost ,a player who helped make them relevant by winning them two national championships, to help bring them back to relevance and has even less success. He did at least have some college level coaching experience and success both as an OC and head coach. He also had loyalty to his assistants and didn't get rid of them when it clearly wasn't working. Some retention issues of talent. Pretty much an identical situation. I was hoping they got rid of him but instead they restructured his contract and he fired all his offensive assistants. In Ewing's case I was not on board with his hiring whereas I was for Frost but I also wasn't opposed with him getting a chance. Ewing I would like to see them make him change some of the coaching staff and give him to next year to see what he can do with this class the rest of this year and next which would include retaining them. That isn't realistic with his contract situation where Frost got his extension early and I don't want to extend Ewing at this point so not sure where I stand on his situation but I will still watch every single minute of every game regardless.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 30, 2021 17:48:00 GMT -5
Let’s see how the season goes. If we do finish at the bottom of the league and attendance is poor, how many more years will the program tolerate? At some point we need to justify the economics of paying top dollar for poor results, empty seats and a diminishing brand.
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