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Post by bigelephant on Nov 27, 2021 13:07:58 GMT -5
This board has high expectations for a team that plays so many new players/freshmen. Our alpha is a sophomore who really only figured it out end of last season. I for one feel like we need to be realistic in terms of the team we have and judge Ewing against it. Ewing has had good players (Pickett went to NBA, Wahab was a coveted transfer, Akinjo has led several good teams, Mac is at least putting up numbers in G league) and towards the end of several seasons we did see players like Pickett/Dante/Bile take steps forward. As a coach, the biggest things for me have been keeping the team / composition chemistry consistent (huge question mark for me so far, and whether you blame Ewing, luck or players probably factors into your grade), the coach's system and players adoption (the offense coordination seemed very low yesterday, a lot of trying to just make shots then get good shots), recruiting (I think he has at least gotten us some good pieces to work with), and defense/heart/effort (I think we have been better on the latter than the former). Throw in a inconsistent roster with a few overly inconsistent upperclassmen over the years, its been really frustrating to try to judge...between pandemic and transfers and being new to college coaching, Ewing is looking to coach his vision of a team still I imagine as well. I am interested in how he takes the pieces he has this year and what the result will be. I think we can agree being a .500 team with this team in a decent BE is actually both an accomplishment for this year and a disappointment overall and both can be true. Agree!
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 27, 2021 13:27:07 GMT -5
This board has high expectations for a team that plays so many new players/freshmen. Our alpha is a sophomore who really only figured it out end of last season. I for one feel like we need to be realistic in terms of the team we have and judge Ewing against it. Ewing has had good players (Pickett went to NBA, Wahab was a coveted transfer, Akinjo has led several good teams, Mac is at least putting up numbers in G league) and towards the end of several seasons we did see players like Pickett/Dante/Bile take steps forward. As a coach, the biggest things for me have been keeping the team / composition chemistry consistent (huge question mark for me so far, and whether you blame Ewing, luck or players probably factors into your grade), the coach's system and players adoption (the offense coordination seemed very low yesterday, a lot of trying to just make shots then get good shots), recruiting (I think he has at least gotten us some good pieces to work with), and defense/heart/effort (I think we have been better on the latter than the former). Throw in a inconsistent roster with a few overly inconsistent upperclassmen over the years, its been really frustrating to try to judge...between pandemic and transfers and being new to college coaching, Ewing is looking to coach his vision of a team still I imagine as well. I am interested in how he takes the pieces he has this year and what the result will be. I think we can agree being a .500 team with this team in a decent BE is actually both an accomplishment for this year and a disappointment overall and both can be true. The expectations here are extremely low, probably the lowest they have been since I started at GU in 1993. And, yet, they are still too much for this coach?
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 27, 2021 13:39:00 GMT -5
Does the lack of talent and adequate roster balance fall at the lap of the head coach? Isn’t that (a key) part of the job? It is about the G-town program. We have enough people on here that have been wanting Ewing gone since day one. I will say this, it is early in the season. Not gonna write the guys off after just a few games. Most of these guys are either player big time basketball for the first time or are playing in newly defined roles of the team. Not surprised we are struggling right now. Looking at the college basketball landscape, there have been a few surprising upsets and close call wins for teams against so-called lesser opponents. It's always pretty obvious who the Ewing/Thompson hates are. They are nowhere to be found when we win and then gleefully bombard the message boards when we lose.
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Post by daveg023 on Nov 27, 2021 13:47:36 GMT -5
It is about the G-town program. We have enough people on here that have been wanting Ewing gone since day one. I will say this, it is early in the season. Not gonna write the guys off after just a few games. Most of these guys are either player big time basketball for the first time or are playing in newly defined roles of the team. Not surprised we are struggling right now. Looking at the college basketball landscape, there have been a few surprising upsets and close call wins for teams against so-called lesser opponents. It's always pretty obvious who the Ewing/Thompson hates are. They are nowhere to be found when we win and then gleefully bombard the message boards when we lose. This is your default argument. I don’t understand why criticizing the coach makes you a Thompson / Ewing hater. Why would anyone want Ewing to fail? It seems counter to the time and energy many are investing into following this team. Maybe a few people never liked the hire, but I assume they remained optimistic this would work. It hasn’t and the problem is it’s going the wrong way in Year 5. I don’t think anyone is gleeful that we are struggling. Quite the opposite.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 27, 2021 14:00:13 GMT -5
It's always pretty obvious who the Ewing/Thompson hates are. They are nowhere to be found when we win and then gleefully bombard the message boards when we lose. This is your default argument. I don’t understand why criticizing the coach makes you a Thompson / Ewing hater. Why would anyone want Ewing to fail? It seems counter to the time and energy many are investing into following this team. Maybe a few people never liked the hire, but I assume they remained optimistic this would work. It hasn’t and the problem is it’s going the wrong way in Year 5. I don’t think anyone is gleeful that we are struggling. Quite the opposite. You would have to be campaigning to get rid of both III and Ewing to be in that club. I don’t think you were even on this board when III was here.
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Post by daveg023 on Nov 27, 2021 14:03:21 GMT -5
This is your default argument. I don’t understand why criticizing the coach makes you a Thompson / Ewing hater. Why would anyone want Ewing to fail? It seems counter to the time and energy many are investing into following this team. Maybe a few people never liked the hire, but I assume they remained optimistic this would work. It hasn’t and the problem is it’s going the wrong way in Year 5. I don’t think anyone is gleeful that we are struggling. Quite the opposite. You would have to be campaigning to get rid of both III and Ewing to be in that club. I don’t think you were even on this board when III was here. Fair enough. I was here for the end of JTIII era, but guess I don’t have the full history that shapes the bias. If people are actively rooting for our coach to fail that’s beyond my knowledge, but I don’t think there is anything wrong with looking at the Ewing resume at this point, and being very disappointed.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 27, 2021 14:14:34 GMT -5
I will remember these posts when our young men do turn it around! We grew up a little tonight! I am optimistic! Truly hope you are right. I posted what I see. I guess it comes down to expectations and mine were high for this team because of the hype and the progress that I saw at the end of last year when I thought that Ewing did a very good job of coaching up a team that was less talented than his prior year. As one of the few who credits Ewing with showing his coaching potential after the mass exodus and again last year after the COVID break, I still cling to the hope he can improve this group by February. There is enough talent to compete and more than enough to win games against mid-majors. It's the coaches job to bring it together. That said, we are in year 5 and we see some of the same shortcomings each year despite the turnover in players. Agreeing with you. But, there isn't a lot of cary over from last year to this so Ewing is building up again. It will come, but like last year there are going to be ugly games until all the new parts gel and the freshmen adjust their game for this level, where opponents are like the best players they have played against, but more mature. It will come.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Nov 27, 2021 14:42:35 GMT -5
It's always pretty obvious who the Ewing/Thompson hates are. They are nowhere to be found when we win and then gleefully bombard the message boards when we lose. This is your default argument. I don’t understand why criticizing the coach makes you a Thompson / Ewing hater. Why would anyone want Ewing to fail? It seems counter to the time and energy many are investing into following this team. Maybe a few people never liked the hire, but I assume they remained optimistic this would work. It hasn’t and the problem is it’s going the wrong way in Year 5. I don’t think anyone is gleeful that we are struggling. Quite the opposite. Almost everyone. I recall one poster writing ha ha ha ha during one of our recent poor performances.
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Post by HoyaDr on Nov 27, 2021 15:17:37 GMT -5
Haven't posted in a while. I'm an analytics guy. We are overvalued, too much desperation ball. We have no inside presence, really missing Wahab here even tho I don't think he's in a great situation himself. Looking forward to next season already, but I'm afraid of who will be on the team, players and coaching staff. Happy holidays.
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Post by 3xhoya on Nov 27, 2021 16:34:29 GMT -5
The only other sports team I root for passionately is the NY Giants. The parallels between the Giants and Hoyas is pretty remarkable. The Mara family (Giant owners) are just as tied to the old approaches that won Super Bowls in the past as Georgetown leadership is tied to old approaches that got us to Final Fours in the past. This week has been pretty much the worst sports fan week of my life. The Hoyas losing these two games in borderline embarrassing fashion, and the Giants losing in similar fashion to Tampa on Monday and (almost surely) to the hated Eagles tomorrow. I am a beaten man as a sports fan. I don't even get upset when the Hoyas/Giants lose anymore, because I have zero expectation of ever winning any game. But I keep watching, rooting, and hoping. Unfortunately, the "hope" part of that equation has been almost fully snuffed out. Minus the Giants fan part this is where I fall. I have zero expectation to win a game on a given day yet still carve out time to watch and hope (minus days I’m skiing which I used to skip for 2 hours to watch the game). I am the only one of my group that continues to watch the Hoyas and we are all alumni and were season ticket holders. It should not matter the name of the person on the sideline. Objectively the team has not succeeded over the past four years and now 5 games into a fifth season except for an exciting week in March. It is time to step back and for the University to decide if they want the program to be competitive. If the season continues as is, which I hope it doesn’t, at a minimum we need a staff turnover at some level to right the ship. If the status quo continues into next year it will be a clear indication the University is not interested in a competitive program.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Nov 27, 2021 17:22:30 GMT -5
Haven't posted in a while. I'm an analytics guy. We are overvalued, too much desperation ball. We have no inside presence, really missing Wahab here even tho I don't think he's in a great situation himself. Looking forward to next season already, but I'm afraid of who will be on the team, players and coaching staff. Happy holidays. Well can you or someone else who is good at BB analysis explain whether or not our coach runs a system that is compatible with the players he has had, and currently has. I love PE as our coach but there just seems to be something "off" there. Defensively, we have way too many opposing players open for threes (suspect that is from help defense). Offensively everything seems pretty random, as opposed to systematical. We are lacking a strong presence in the middle even with three 7 footers, and any consistent 3 point shooting.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 27, 2021 17:46:16 GMT -5
Truly hope you are right. I posted what I see. I guess it comes down to expectations and mine were high for this team because of the hype and the progress that I saw at the end of last year when I thought that Ewing did a very good job of coaching up a team that was less talented than his prior year. As one of the few who credits Ewing with showing his coaching potential after the mass exodus and again last year after the COVID break, I still cling to the hope he can improve this group by February. There is enough talent to compete and more than enough to win games against mid-majors. It's the coaches job to bring it together. That said, we are in year 5 and we see some of the same shortcomings each year despite the turnover in players. Agreeing with you. But, there isn't a lot of cary over from last year to this so Ewing is building up again. It will come, but like last year there are going to be ugly games until all the new parts gel and the freshmen adjust their game for this level, where opponents are like the best players they have played against, but more mature. It will come. I cannot argue with your point about the lack of continuity from last year until this year. What worries me is that so far during Ewing’s tenure turnover has become the norm, not the exception. Not necessarily his fault and certainly not unique to Georgetown, but this apparent new reality does place a premium on coaches who can integrate new players and develop a cohesive team quickly. Is that person Ewing? I hope so because I do not want this man to fail. Nor do I believe the overwhelming majority of fans want him to fail.
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 27, 2021 18:00:28 GMT -5
Yeah I saw last night that Jordan isn't ready for the moment and it would do more damage if we force feed him minutes. Some freshmen are ready for minutes (Aminu), some aren't quite ready but can handle being force fed (JBills, Ryan) and some you need to bring along slower (Jordan and to a lesser extent Tyler). I think Jordan will be a pro but he needs the game to slow down a lot. It's little things but it's a lot of little things. I bet you said the same about Dante last year and look where he is. Nope. My first time really seeing Dante was StJs, so I could see that he wasn't afraid of the moment. If you rewatch look at Jordan's eyes and you can literally see him processing. Not necessarily a bad thing but he's not looking for O and he's not aggressive at all right now even on D. Every game I saw from Dante last year he may have been a little lost on O but he always manned up on D. I expect Jordan to get more confident by January.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 27, 2021 18:59:00 GMT -5
Haven't posted in a while. I'm an analytics guy. We are overvalued, too much desperation ball. We have no inside presence, really missing Wahab here even tho I don't think he's in a great situation himself. Looking forward to next season already, but I'm afraid of who will be on the team, players and coaching staff. Happy holidays. I love PE as our coach but there just seems to be something "off" there. Why? What is it about the terrible to mediocre teams we have had under Ewing that you love? Or, is it the idea of Ewing as coach that you love? I can see that but the reality is not something anyone who likes this team should love.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Nov 27, 2021 19:08:57 GMT -5
I would much prefer Patrick Ewing succeed as G'towns BB coach than be replaced and have another coach equally successful. I suspect you feel the opposite.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 27, 2021 19:10:24 GMT -5
I would much prefer Patrick Ewing succeed as G'towns BB coach than be replaced and have another coach equally successful. I suspect you feel the opposite. So, it’s the idea not the reality. I get it. i don’t really care who the coach is if we have a good team. We are not going to have a good team with this guy so I want him out ASAP.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 27, 2021 20:44:38 GMT -5
I would much prefer Patrick Ewing succeed as G'towns BB coach than be replaced and have another coach equally successful. I suspect you feel the opposite. This is a valid point. As I’ve said in the past, when you fire a coach you need to have some idea of what type of replacement you will get and how good that person will be. This really is one of the reasons I was with JT3 to the end. I recognized he had a lot of struggles, but he had previously proven he was a good coach and I thought we had to be really sure he wasn’t going to turn it around because getting a good coach is hard. In this scenario, I think the same applies, but Ewing’s lack of success makes the calculation easier. We are very possibly going to be ranked in the 100-150 range in the metrics websites (in fact we already are) this year. Even at JT3’s worst he was in the 60s, whereas Ewing’s best teams have been in the 60s. While I agree Ewing should stay if we are going to get a replacement who is equally good, as the team’s performance falls to that 100-150 range, finding someone better suddenly becomes easier and much less risky. If staying the course guarantees we aren’t going to be good, there is little risk in changing.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Nov 27, 2021 22:23:02 GMT -5
The only other sports team I root for passionately is the NY Giants. The parallels between the Giants and Hoyas is pretty remarkable. The Mara family (Giant owners) are just as tied to the old approaches that won Super Bowls in the past as Georgetown leadership is tied to old approaches that got us to Final Fours in the past. This week has been pretty much the worst sports fan week of my life. The Hoyas losing these two games in borderline embarrassing fashion, and the Giants losing in similar fashion to Tampa on Monday and (almost surely) to the hated Eagles tomorrow. I am a beaten man as a sports fan. I don't even get upset when the Hoyas/Giants lose anymore, because I have zero expectation of ever winning any game. But I keep watching, rooting, and hoping. Unfortunately, the "hope" part of that equation has been almost fully snuffed out. I'm in the exact same boat. And at least the Giants were able to get rid of a woefully underperforming assistant (Garrett) recently. Remains to be seen if the Hoyas will have enough guts to shake up the staff if results don't improve in the near term.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 27, 2021 22:36:02 GMT -5
The only other sports team I root for passionately is the NY Giants. The parallels between the Giants and Hoyas is pretty remarkable. The Mara family (Giant owners) are just as tied to the old approaches that won Super Bowls in the past as Georgetown leadership is tied to old approaches that got us to Final Fours in the past. This week has been pretty much the worst sports fan week of my life. The Hoyas losing these two games in borderline embarrassing fashion, and the Giants losing in similar fashion to Tampa on Monday and (almost surely) to the hated Eagles tomorrow. I am a beaten man as a sports fan. I don't even get upset when the Hoyas/Giants lose anymore, because I have zero expectation of ever winning any game. But I keep watching, rooting, and hoping. Unfortunately, the "hope" part of that equation has been almost fully snuffed out. I'm in the exact same boat. And at least the Giants were able to get rid of a woefully underperforming assistant (Garrett) recently. Remains to be seen if the Hoyas will have enough guts to shake up the staff if results don't improve in the near term. This is a problem inherent in a lot of college BB staffs. Head coaches tend to hire friends. We know that that can get ugly in every business. But, the reality is that a head coach needs a support staff to help with the things the HC isn't great at. The job is a huge one and requires more time than one person has in a year. The assistants need to round out the weaknesses and take the lead on certain things. If that's not happening, it's incumbent on the HC to make those changes because, as much fun as it is working with your friends, being a head coach isn't a one person job. You need help (regardless of who you are) and that help needs to be excellent at what they do. They need to do their jobs effectively and without needing much in the way of direction or management. There's already enough of those things on the plate of a HC. It's exceedingly clear that the staff we have isn't capable of teaching defense. At least not a consistent, effective one. That needs to change. If the current support staff or the HC can't get that done, changes need to be made. If Patrick chooses not to make any changes, the only option left is changing the HC. I'm a huge Patrick supporter as a Hoya and as a Knick fan. But, some of the same issues persist each year. Defense, IMO, being the main one. It hasn't improved. It's not just a personnel issue. Though, we don't have the longest guards around. But, Dante has shown that you don't have to be long to be effective much of the time. The individual defense, at times, is good. The team defense is consistently bad.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 27, 2021 22:37:37 GMT -5
The only other sports team I root for passionately is the NY Giants. The parallels between the Giants and Hoyas is pretty remarkable. The Mara family (Giant owners) are just as tied to the old approaches that won Super Bowls in the past as Georgetown leadership is tied to old approaches that got us to Final Fours in the past. This week has been pretty much the worst sports fan week of my life. The Hoyas losing these two games in borderline embarrassing fashion, and the Giants losing in similar fashion to Tampa on Monday and (almost surely) to the hated Eagles tomorrow. I am a beaten man as a sports fan. I don't even get upset when the Hoyas/Giants lose anymore, because I have zero expectation of ever winning any game. But I keep watching, rooting, and hoping. Unfortunately, the "hope" part of that equation has been almost fully snuffed out. I'm in the exact same boat. And at least the Giants were able to get rid of a woefully underperforming assistant (Garrett) recently. Remains to be seen if the Hoyas will have enough guts to shake up the staff if results don't improve in the near term. Guts? At this point IMO it is Pat trying to prove he can have a winning record with the same assistants. Try, try again…
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