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Post by professorhoya on Nov 15, 2021 13:04:44 GMT -5
Four years in, this is now Ewing's team. Looking forward to brighter days ahead. However, in the current college basketball environment, GU will never be an elite program. It depends on what you mean. Will Georgetown ever be a "blueblood" again contending for the championship every year over a decade? Probably not, but we can certainly do better than finishing in the bottom half of the conference. The BET was a good start, but the Dartmouth loss was a big step back. The way to turn it around is to beat American, convincingly. They were never a "blueblood" They had a great program but bluebloods are KU, UK, UNC, schools with massive alumni bases and infinite resources.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 15, 2021 16:23:39 GMT -5
I really don't know what to expect form the Hoyas against American.
One thing after rewatching the Dartmouth game is how many times Hoyas had good open outside shots with someone closing on them and they took a jab step or a dribble, rather than putting the ball up. I really would like to see the open players shoot. Aminu has a sweet 3 early, then went to jab then shoot going from slean open shot to one that is rushed or contested. Same for Don, Riley, Beard, Rice, and Dante.
Seeing Dante shoot like he did on the dribble step in and good in sync jump and shoot like he had last year, rather than the out of sync jerky mess he was thinking was a shot most of the game. Dante is a decent shooter from outside, but best when distributes.
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 15, 2021 16:29:46 GMT -5
Considering the local angle, I’m going the “hot take “ route and calling this a must win.
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Post by LoudSoundOfREBOUND on Nov 15, 2021 20:29:54 GMT -5
This will be a tough test for Ewing. Plenty to work on from Saturday to be competitive with American and only two days to do it. I think this one comes down to Harris, Carey, and Rice controlling the game and keeping the rest of the team composed. The freshmen have a lot of potential but I worry they will try to do too much if given the chance, especially following a disappointing loss on Saturday.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 15, 2021 21:20:23 GMT -5
Considering the local angle, I’m going the “hot take “ route and calling this a must win. For this board it's a must win.
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 15, 2021 21:41:18 GMT -5
Considering the local angle, I’m going the “hot take “ route and calling this a must win. For this board it's a must win. Not the same given the local angle, but probably true. Maybe I'm still laboring under the impression that recruits in the area are paying attention.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 15, 2021 23:37:24 GMT -5
Considering the local angle, I’m going the “hot take “ route and calling this a must win. For this board it's a must win. Nothing is a must win, but if we lose to American, it basically confirms we are in for a long season. One can excuse the Dartmouth loss as nerves, bad luck, playing in Capital One the first time, but that doesn't work as much if you lose to another pretty weak team. For what it's worth, I do NOT think we are as bad as we looked against Dartmouth, and think we will play better than that tomorrow. That doesn't mean we willl win, but I do think we will play better. Duke lost early in the 2019-2020 season to Stephen F. Austen (ranked 264), and they ended up finishing the year ranked 2 on KenPom. So yeah, it's a loss we can overcome, but throw in another and it begins to get incredibly hard. This is why turning things around quickly is crucial.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 15, 2021 23:44:19 GMT -5
We should settle down and win tomorrow, but I’m preparing for some rough sledding come league time.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 16, 2021 0:19:20 GMT -5
For this board it's a must win. Nothing is a must win, but if we lose to American, it basically confirms we are in for a long season. One can excuse the Dartmouth loss as nerves, bad luck, playing in Capital One the first time, but that doesn't work as much if you lose to another pretty weak team. For what it's worth, I do NOT think we are as bad as we looked against Dartmouth, and think we will play better than that tomorrow. That doesn't mean we willl win, but I do think we will play better. Duke lost early in the 2019-2020 season to Stephen F. Austen (ranked 264), and they ended up finishing the year ranked 2 on KenPom. So yeah, it's a loss we can overcome, but throw in another and it begins to get incredibly hard. This is why turning things around quickly is crucial. The Thompson/Ewing haters are already relishing a loss and have written out their post game posts. If we win they will simply tuck it into their drawer until the next loss.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 16, 2021 0:30:24 GMT -5
For this board it's a must win. For what it's worth, I do NOT think we are as bad as we looked against Dartmouth, and think we will play better than that tomorrow. That doesn't mean we willl win, but I do think we will play better. Duke lost early in the 2019-2020 season to Stephen F. Austen (ranked 264), and they ended up finishing the year ranked 2 on KenPom. So yeah, it's a loss we can overcome, but throw in another and it begins to get incredibly hard. This is why turning things around quickly is crucial. I also think we could quite easily lose to American because they play the Princeton Offense (ironically). And that might be too much for highschoolers who have never seen it. In fact I don't think any of our players have played against the Princeton (Maybe the Richmond game) or practiced it with III. Our best success with the Princeton was in the early III years when the rest of the Big East hadn't seen it before. By the end there was no longer the surprise of the Princeton and you could count on one hand the number of backdoor layups we got in a season. This isn't really a trap game but the fact that everyone is new and facing a gimmick offense that is hard to prepare for on a couple days I think we can see scenarios where it seems obvious that this could happen. Hopefully it won't but I don't think this game is going to be easy.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 16, 2021 7:59:23 GMT -5
The fact that people actually are concerned about losing this game says all you need to know about the current state of this program. Not a knock on American, but much more of a comment on the depths to which this program has sunk. Ewing and his team need to show marked improvement from last Saturday's fiasco. Most telling tonight will be to see how many of the fans have abandoned the program already and whether American fans outnumber the Hoya fans.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 16, 2021 8:11:13 GMT -5
Even I don’t think there is any chance we lose this one.
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Post by daveg023 on Nov 16, 2021 8:18:23 GMT -5
The fact that people actually are concerned about losing this game says all you need to know about the current state of this program. Not a knock on American, but much more of a comment on the depths to which this program has sunk. Ewing and his team need to show marked improvement from last Saturday's fiasco. Most telling tonight will be to see how many of the fans have abandoned the program already and whether American fans outnumber the Hoya fans. Unfortunately this is true. I doubt you’d find another BE team message board where they are analyzing their Q3/Q4 opponents and genuinely concerned about winning. I will say though that after early season losses to Radford, Arknasas St, LMU, Navy in prior years, I’m sure we thought we’d go winless in conference. So somehow we’ve found a way to rise up once conference play starts and hopefully this loss will look like those at season’s end.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 16, 2021 8:18:31 GMT -5
Even I don’t think there is any chance we lose this one. Three senior starters with two sophomores...
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 16, 2021 8:23:06 GMT -5
Even I don’t think there is any chance we lose this one. Three senior starters with two sophomores... There is too much of a talent gap and I’m guessing the players have enough pride to step it up and use that talent to overcome the coaching gap. This won’t work for long but should work in this game.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 16, 2021 8:32:36 GMT -5
The fact that people actually are concerned about losing this game says all you need to know about the current state of this program. Not a knock on American, but much more of a comment on the depths to which this program has sunk. Ewing and his team need to show marked improvement from last Saturday's fiasco. Most telling tonight will be to see how many of the fans have abandoned the program already and whether American fans outnumber the Hoya fans. How about the fact that we are giving free tickets to American students to attend this game? I think there’s a real possibility we won’t have as many fans as they do.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 16, 2021 8:38:03 GMT -5
Even I don’t think there is any chance we lose this one. Well that is really nice to read and I hope that you are right. I keep thinking that this should be a win as well, but a disciplined experienced team playing against an inexperienced team could make this a much tighter game and then if it is close with 5 minutes to go, who knows how these kids react. I am much more concerned about the effect of an empty gym or one where the opponent's fans are louder than the Hoyas. The support of the fans and particularly the students is critical at this early stage. Looking for Harris to show more poise and discipline and for Carey and Rice to play like the experienced players they are. Hoping that if the team is on a run, Ewing will leave the players in the game who are performing and not kill momentum with wholesale substitutions.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 16, 2021 8:42:03 GMT -5
The fact that people actually are concerned about losing this game says all you need to know about the current state of this program. Not a knock on American, but much more of a comment on the depths to which this program has sunk. Ewing and his team need to show marked improvement from last Saturday's fiasco. Most telling tonight will be to see how many of the fans have abandoned the program already and whether American fans outnumber the Hoya fans. You have to account for all possibilities or you are just a poor strategist. Even before the Dartmouth game, we discussed the possibility of losing. Any games can be lost in this era of 3pters and Freedom of Movement rules. It would be arrogant to think otherwise.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 16, 2021 9:11:33 GMT -5
Four years in, this is now Ewing's team. Looking forward to brighter days ahead. However, in the current college basketball environment, GU will never be an elite program. It depends on what you mean. Will Georgetown ever be a "blueblood" again contending for the championship every year over a decade? Probably not... Why not? Villanova does it. We have similar resources and are in a better recruiting area. According to article(s) posted here, GU is the most desirable job in the BE and one of the top nationwide. In my opinion, we can be on top pretty easily. There are clear steps to take and the program isn't doing it. The only truly positive step that I've noticed is Crouch, who I like. Hopefully, the new media person will be a big plus.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 16, 2021 9:11:49 GMT -5
Hoyas -14, O/U 139.5
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