TC
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Post by TC on Feb 15, 2023 8:00:00 GMT -5
Beat out the guy in front of you or prepare to sit. There's no "beat out the guy in front of you" when promises are made. Team sports are supposed to be a meritocracy, but when you go 0-20 and have to bring people in, that's one of the things that gets compromised. If you're promised one thing, and the guy in front of you is promised he'll never sit, that's pretty dirty and grimy. The three guys in front of him, the last two games : Seton Hall 3-9, 31 minutes 2-13 38 minutes 6-19, 37 minutes Marquette 2-12, 37 minutes 3-10, 29 minutes 7-16, 35 minutes
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 15, 2023 8:04:11 GMT -5
It has been a tough season, and no doubt frustrating to Anglin, but I fail to see "the dark side" or anything grimey. Beat out the guy in front of you or prepare to sit. It’s unbelievable that you seem to think there is actual coaching and evaluation going on here.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 15, 2023 8:09:49 GMT -5
It has been a tough season, and no doubt frustrating to Anglin, but I fail to see "the dark side" or anything grimey. Beat out the guy in front of you or prepare to sit. I’m guessing you don’t have a family member who plays for GU.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 15, 2023 8:17:47 GMT -5
It has been a tough season, and no doubt frustrating to Anglin, but I fail to see "the dark side" or anything grimey. Beat out the guy in front of you or prepare to sit. And who makes the decision about whether he beats out the guy in front of him (rhetorical question)?
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Post by footahh on Feb 15, 2023 8:20:28 GMT -5
I think the sad thing here is Ewing is still yet to look in the mirror and admit it's over. The season is lost. His career is lost. You'd think the least the guy could do is play a guy in front of his family and friends in what is nothing more than an exhibition at this time.
Forget the X's and O's - we know that part is awful. He's also acquired an uncanny ability to suck any passion for and enjoyment of the game for any of these kids the past two years.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 15, 2023 8:49:19 GMT -5
There is no evidence that any promises were made to any players on this team. Zero. All of that is speculation and conjecture.
Look, I would love to see Anglin get time. In fact, I support a system of very frequent, almost hockey-like substitutions in which there are very few DNPs. But, I am not the coach. And I accept that. Also, it sure seems like Spears is better than Anglin at this point. So, what is happening to Anglin is no different than what is happening to myriad other players on other teams right now, and what has happened to thousands of others in past years. Listen to some of the podcasts of former Hoyas- many of them seem to feel, twenty or thirty years later, that they should have played more. But these are the breaks. That is sports. Unless you are clearly the much better player, you may sit. It is not malfeasance. It is just the nature of team sports.
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 15, 2023 8:55:19 GMT -5
There is no evidence that any promises were made to any players on this team. Zero. All of that is speculation and conjecture. There's no evidence that there's a fair competition here for playing time. That's speculation too. But when a player keeps shooting under 30% and gets 38 minutes, kind of makes you wonder why that's happening.
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Post by alleninxis on Feb 15, 2023 8:57:51 GMT -5
This was the best shooter by many accounts in the HS class of 2022. To recruit him and sign him over the likes UConn - and then for his FR year to unfold this way - there is a serious disconnect in either player development, utilization or both.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 15, 2023 9:08:29 GMT -5
He can’t play point and too small for wing. Not ready to play this year. Really needs to work on his handles and Court awareness. Size and lack of skill set for pg is main issue.
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Post by practice on Feb 15, 2023 9:09:22 GMT -5
There is no evidence that any promises were made to any players on this team. Zero. All of that is speculation and conjecture. Look, I would love to see Anglin get time. In fact, I support a system of very frequent, almost hockey-like substitutions in which there are very few DNPs. But, I am not the coach. And I accept that. Also, it sure seems like Spears is better than Anglin at this point. So, what is happening to Anglin is no different than what is happening to myriad other players on other teams right now, and what has happened to thousands of others in past years. Listen to some of the podcasts of former Hoyas- many of them seem to feel, twenty or thirty years later, that they should have played more. But these are the breaks. That is sports. Unless you are clearly the much better player, you may sit. It is not malfeasance. It is just the nature of team sports. I generally agree that freshmen need to adjust to the college game and that playing time is earned through practice and through growth in both skills and physical maturity. However, the Hoyas of 2021-22 and 2022-23 are the worst teams that I have ever watched. Coach Ewing has treated the Georgetown Men's Basketball team like some fifth-rate professional basketball team. If you don't think that Murray, Spears and Heath ... and Wahab until a week ago .. had some assurances that they would have plenty of opportunities to showcase their individual talents as starters for the Hoyas ... then I'm not sure what team you've been watching. When healthy, those guys simply do not sit. And, they've devolved into the most selfish, one-on-one, contested shot chuckers at the end of the shot-clock that I've ever seen. This team generally either does not try to run a play to find an open shooter or get it into the paint ... or just fails when it does. No coach in his right mind would let this travesty of offense (and it's just as bad on defense) happen when there are any bench players who are physically able to take the court. The belated good play of Riley and Ezewiro -- both of whom have only gotten more PT because of injuries -- demonstrates to me that there is some talent on that bench. Anglin in particular should be playing 15 minutes every game ... what do we have to lose? If Ewing was mentally tough, he'd start Anglin, Bristol, Akok, Eziwero and Riley ... and demand that they try to run an offense. Instead, Nickelberry's guys get unlimited PT ... to what end? The G-League? Europe? You have to look at this team through the lens of his team and not normal college basketball ... we are simply too bad to say, "well the Freshmen need to adjust" or "well, our starters are better than our bench." We lose every game ... it's insanity that Ewing doesn't try to shake anything up ... he only adjusts the roster due to injury. Hopefully a new coach his hired quick enough to get a chance to keep some of this roster. Not sure about Heath yet, but I'd be happy to see Spears, Murray and Wahab (if he's not already gone) go ... and see what the other guys can do. Don't even get me started on sitting Mutumbo for 80% of the season because Wahab was so good ... Wahab? We're talking about Wahab?
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Post by kghoya on Feb 15, 2023 9:12:44 GMT -5
Fans engaging with frustrated family members on social media is always such an interesting decision some choose to make. Anyway, I get the frustration by most that a freshman known for shooting hasn't gotten more PT in this awful season when shooting is clearly a weakness among many weaknesses. That being said, in the limited time we've seen him, there hasn't been a lot of there, there.
To give everyone a family history lesson, Dallas Anglin played at four different schools (Hofstra, JUCO, Southern Miss, Northern Colorado). Keep in mind that this was well before the portal era.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 15, 2023 9:13:09 GMT -5
He can’t play point and too small for wing. Not ready to play this year. Really needs to work on his handles and Court awareness. Size and lack of skill set for pg is main issue. Again with the debunked size excuse… Curtis Staples next? The team is 1-34 in the BE the last two seasons. There is no excuse to leave a player on the bench.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 15, 2023 9:15:11 GMT -5
He can’t play point and too small for wing. Not ready to play this year. Really needs to work on his handles and Court awareness. Size and lack of skill set for pg is main issue. You conspicuously failed to mention three point shooting, which is kind of important in today's college game. Don't you think we could use a boost in that area, and that Anglin should, as PR said, get 15 minutes a game?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 15, 2023 9:18:27 GMT -5
But he has shot the three poorly in his limited time.
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Post by practice on Feb 15, 2023 9:22:23 GMT -5
But he has shot the three poorly in his limited time. Shooters have to shoot. He gets yanked so quick ... at this point he's likely all nerves and anxiety when he gets into the game. Amazing because Ewing let Matador Rice launch threes with abandon last year and do absolutely nothing else ... of course Ewing also compared Rice to Larry Bird, Reggie Miller and Chris Mullin!
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 15, 2023 9:34:06 GMT -5
I hear you, and I would prefer if everyone was getting solid PT. But from watching Spears and Anglin, to me, Spears, for all his flaws, is the far superior player at this point. It just rubs me the wrong way to claim Anglin is being done wrong by sitting behind the better player. It happens all the time.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 15, 2023 9:48:01 GMT -5
I hear you, and I would prefer if everyone was getting solid PT. But from watching Spears and Anglin, to me, Spears, for all his flaws, is the far superior player at this point. It just rubs me the wrong way to claim Anglin is being done wrong by sitting behind the better player. It happens all the time. He doesn't just sit behind Spears, he doesn't play at all.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 15, 2023 9:49:16 GMT -5
I personally, not speculating or speaking for any player, would be “Anglin” toward the portal….
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 15, 2023 9:57:03 GMT -5
I hear you, and I would prefer if everyone was getting solid PT. But from watching Spears and Anglin, to me, Spears, for all his flaws, is the far superior player at this point. It just rubs me the wrong way to claim Anglin is being done wrong by sitting behind the better player. It happens all the time. He is being done wrong. The guy in front of him keeps shooting under 30% from the field recently and plays 38 minutes, and Anglin is getting DNPs. Unless Spears gets injured, there is no path here for Anglin to play - just like there was no path for Jordan Riley until Heath got hurt, no path for Ryan Mutombo until Wahab quit. This is a 1-15 team - there's no excuse for not playing Bass or Anglin.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 15, 2023 10:02:29 GMT -5
One would think that if your starters are continuously failing to succeed, you'd cut their minutes to send a message and see what your bench can do while your at it. Instead, Ewing runs out his starters for 35+ minutes. Utterly hopeless.
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