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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 15, 2023 10:04:48 GMT -5
Just to inject some statistics:
In the first 4 games in January, Anglin played 14 min, 20 min, 20 min, and 17 min. During that stretch he shot 2-17 from the 3pt line and 4-21 overall.
Coaching is one aspect of player success but players also have to produce when given a chance. Seems to me like he got a pretty good chance in January and did not produce.
Should he get more chances? Sure. But its pretty clear that he has not taken advantage of the opportunities he's been given.
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Post by TC on Feb 15, 2023 10:10:56 GMT -5
Just to inject some statistics: In the first 4 games in January, Anglin played 14 min, 20 min, 20 min, and 17 min. During that stretch he shot 2-17 from the 3pt line and 4-21 overall. Coaching is one aspect of player success but players also have to produce when given a chance. Seems to me like he got a pretty good chance in January and did not produce. Great, now do Spears last 5 games (37, 37, 39, 36, 35, 1-9 from three and 19-66 overall).
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 15, 2023 11:24:03 GMT -5
I hear you, and I would prefer if everyone was getting solid PT. But from watching Spears and Anglin, to me, Spears, for all his flaws, is the far superior player at this point. It just rubs me the wrong way to claim Anglin is being done wrong by sitting behind the better player. It happens all the time. These people will always find something. Notice how they no longer holler about Riley or Mutombo
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 15, 2023 11:29:50 GMT -5
I hear you, and I would prefer if everyone was getting solid PT. But from watching Spears and Anglin, to me, Spears, for all his flaws, is the far superior player at this point. It just rubs me the wrong way to claim Anglin is being done wrong by sitting behind the better player. It happens all the time. These people will always find something. Notice how they no longer holler about Riley or Mutombo You have a selective memory. The threads are filled with criticism of the way Ewing has handled Mutombo.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 15, 2023 11:47:07 GMT -5
I hear you, and I would prefer if everyone was getting solid PT. But from watching Spears and Anglin, to me, Spears, for all his flaws, is the far superior player at this point. It just rubs me the wrong way to claim Anglin is being done wrong by sitting behind the better player. It happens all the time. These people will always find something. Notice how they no longer holler about Riley or Mutombo What are you talking about? We’ve been calling for Riley, Ryan, Denver, Wayne and even Bass to play. Pat is 1-34 the last two years. Pat needs to try anything, with the confidence that it cannot get any worse than 1-34.
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Post by TC on Feb 15, 2023 11:49:20 GMT -5
I hear you, and I would prefer if everyone was getting solid PT. But from watching Spears and Anglin, to me, Spears, for all his flaws, is the far superior player at this point. It just rubs me the wrong way to claim Anglin is being done wrong by sitting behind the better player. It happens all the time. These people will always find something. Notice how they no longer holler about Riley or Mutombo Riley and Mutombo are getting 10+ minutes now, whereas before, they were not.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 15, 2023 11:51:19 GMT -5
I hear you, and I would prefer if everyone was getting solid PT. But from watching Spears and Anglin, to me, Spears, for all his flaws, is the far superior player at this point. It just rubs me the wrong way to claim Anglin is being done wrong by sitting behind the better player. It happens all the time. He doesn't just sit behind Spears, he doesn't play at all. I'll also add that if you can play Spears and Heath together then you can play Spears/Heath and Anglin together. I have always been a proponent of if you can lose with the starters, you can lose with the bench. At some point you need to play/coach for the future.
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Post by footahh on Feb 15, 2023 11:56:56 GMT -5
Pat has put in a lot of futile effort over the past two years attempting to lose games by 12 rather than 20. Anglin is the current victim. It's been Mutombo this year as well. It was Riley before the Heath injury.
Last year it was Beard, as an injured Dante got ran into the ground. Or Kobe Clark - who likely wasn't close to a high major player but probably played 25 times harder than Kaiden Rice.
Let me be clear - none of these kids move the needle or are good enough to get this staff out of crap - so it really doesn't matter who plays. But the frustrating thing here is that there is no plan for development. There is no plan to proactively adjust. There is no plan to integrate even a fake culture.
Pat has showed an consistent inability to try new things unless an injury or transfer mandates the change. Hell, it used to be the opposite (with regards to rotation) when he refused to tighten a 10/11 man rotation until half his team transferred, forcing his hand.
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Post by practice on Feb 15, 2023 11:59:38 GMT -5
You know what does move the dial ... having a few kids stay for four years and turn into juniors and seniors. Ewing has been almost completely unable to convince anyone that playing for the Hoyas is a good 3 year let alone 4 year idea.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 15, 2023 12:00:12 GMT -5
He doesn't just sit behind Spears, he doesn't play at all. I'll also add that if you can play Spears and Heath together then you can play Spears/Heath and Anglin together. I have always been a proponent of if you can lose with the starters, you can lose with the bench. At some point you need to play/coach for the future. Anglin is just bad this year. Not ready. Coach has played freshman Guards (Mac, Akinjo, Dante) if they can play. From what I have seen of Denver (and we have seen much less than Coach who has tons of practice on observation) Denver is not ready. He’s small. Not fast Not explosive Not athletic Not long Shaky handles (*this is really big) Doesn’t pass like a facilitator or point guard Can’t defend His one strength is 3 or shooting supposedly. But even that is bad I’m wondering how he got ranked so high but someone on here was warning us that he wasn’t a point guard.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 15, 2023 12:00:16 GMT -5
Just to inject some statistics: In the first 4 games in January, Anglin played 14 min, 20 min, 20 min, and 17 min. During that stretch he shot 2-17 from the 3pt line and 4-21 overall. Coaching is one aspect of player success but players also have to produce when given a chance. Seems to me like he got a pretty good chance in January and did not produce. Should he get more chances? Sure. But its pretty clear that he has not taken advantage of the opportunities he's been given. The majority of those shots came in one game (1st SH) and the only reason those numbers were so high was because Heath and Murray were both out with injuries.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 15, 2023 12:02:36 GMT -5
I hear you, and I would prefer if everyone was getting solid PT. But from watching Spears and Anglin, to me, Spears, for all his flaws, is the far superior player at this point. It just rubs me the wrong way to claim Anglin is being done wrong by sitting behind the better player. It happens all the time. These people will always find something. Notice how they no longer holler about Riley or Mutombo Professor you can't take a victory lap because Ewing played a player because of dire situations. He only played Mutombo because he was forced.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 15, 2023 12:04:10 GMT -5
These people will always find something. Notice how they no longer holler about Riley or Mutombo Professor you can't take a victory lap because Ewing played a player because of dire situations. He only played Mutombo because he was forced. Not really. He could play Malcolm instead or go small ball.
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Post by daveg023 on Feb 15, 2023 12:17:02 GMT -5
These people will always find something. Notice how they no longer holler about Riley or Mutombo Professor you can't take a victory lap because Ewing played a player because of dire situations. He only played Mutombo because he was forced. His sole purpose on here is to take odd victory laps, scold other posters, and bring up obscure references. Let him have his day. It’ll all be over soon…
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Post by practice on Feb 15, 2023 12:30:27 GMT -5
Denver has played 118 minutes over 16 games ... he's taken 34 shots in his career ... what a joke ... obviously not a professor of statistics!
From NJ.com a year ago:
"Anglin was named in March to the NJ.com All-State Second Team after averaging 27.9 points per game and adding 6.4 assists while shooting 53% from deep."
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Post by prhoya on Feb 15, 2023 12:41:29 GMT -5
Denver has played 118 minutes over 16 games ... he's taken 34 shots in his career ... what a joke ... obviously not a professor of statistics! From NJ.com a year ago: "Anglin was named in March to the NJ.com All-State Second Team after averaging 27.9 points per game and adding 6.4 assists while shooting 53% from deep." Plus he was known as a tough defender in AAU/hs, which no one can accuse Primo of…
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 15, 2023 12:45:42 GMT -5
Professor you can't take a victory lap because Ewing played a player because of dire situations. He only played Mutombo because he was forced. His sole purpose on here is to take odd victory laps, scold other posters, and bring up obscure references. Let him have his day. It’ll all be over soon… Dave, Does this mean we’re not fiends anymore.
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Post by daveg023 on Feb 15, 2023 12:49:13 GMT -5
His sole purpose on here is to take odd victory laps, scold other posters, and bring up obscure references. Let him have his day. It’ll all be over soon… Dave, Does this mean we’re not fiends anymore. Fiends or Friends?! Freudian slip?
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Post by prhoya on Feb 15, 2023 12:51:12 GMT -5
Any comments for the other poster? Anglin is just bad this year. Not ready. Coach has played freshman Guards (Mac, Akinjo, Dante) if they can play. From what I have seen of Denver (and we have seen much less than Coach who has tons of practice on observation) Denver is not ready. He’s small. Not fast Not explosive Not athletic Not long Shaky handles (*this is really big) Doesn’t pass like a facilitator or point guard Can’t defend His one strength is 3 or shooting supposedly. But even that is bad I’m wondering how he got ranked so high but someone on here was warning us that he wasn’t a point guard. Denver has played 118 minutes over 16 games ... he's taken 34 shots in his career ... what a joke ... obviously not a professor of statistics! From NJ.com a year ago: "Anglin was named in March to the NJ.com All-State Second Team after averaging 27.9 points per game and adding 6.4 assists while shooting 53% from deep."
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Post by footahh on Feb 15, 2023 13:03:14 GMT -5
We've made this a Primo v Denver debate, which obviously Primo is going to win. But Primo is a turn-style on D and has very much shown that 37 mpg is wearing him out. What we haven't discussed is that Denver should be cutting into the minutes of the other leach in that backcourt. Murray is very clearly not in shape to play 35+ mpg, is a walking turnover, and shows up when he feels like it. If you're concerned with Anglin at the one then play him next to a primary ballhandler. On the defensive side of the ball, god knows we should have tried going small more (as an aside, I'd love the D data when a 5 of Primo, Murray, Heath, Riley, Akok ever saw the floor together)
It is criminal that they couldn't find 15 minutes a game for the kid while the guys in front of him played a brand of basketball that would be consistently punished by any self respecting coach handling substitutions.
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