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Post by professorhoya on Apr 4, 2021 11:15:32 GMT -5
Timeout; no timeout - when the team scores whatever is done is the right call. The two previous versions of “The Shot” - Nova/UNC 2016 and Duke/Kentucky 1992 - both came out of timeouts. hm Did those teams practice those plays? Who knows. What we know from the post-game interviews is that Gonzaga players practice those shots. If they go in or out, so be it. pr Suggs, did you practice that shot? pe
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Apr 4, 2021 11:27:04 GMT -5
Exactly! 9 out of 10 teams call time out there. Mark Few, on the other hand, coaches them in practice. There was no wondering who’s going to inbound it or who’s going to receive the pass. Suggs caught on the move and was a blur up the sideline. I was at center court in the Spectrum for the Laettner play. IMO this was better.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 4, 2021 11:28:05 GMT -5
Did those teams practice those plays? Who knows. What we know from the post-game interviews is that Gonzaga players practice those shots. If they go in or out, so be it. pr Suggs, did you practice that shot? pe Suggs and Few said Gonzaga players do. pr
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Post by blazeshoya on Apr 4, 2021 11:35:15 GMT -5
Suggs, did you practice that shot? pe Suggs and Few said Gonzaga players do. pr As a high school basketball coach that 100% practices these type situations, I’d be shock if high level major college basketball programs don’t... In addition to practicing exact scenarios such as this, we have a drill that we film called 55. Score tied at 50...2:30 left on the clock. No coaching allowed. We play 5 on 5...when the first team scores 55, the clock starts. It could be 55-50, 55-52, etc...the final 2:30 is played out, and we let the players make the decisions. In film, we ask why they made the decisions they did. It’s just another way of allowing them to see why we do the things we do.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Apr 4, 2021 11:46:24 GMT -5
Timeout; no timeout - when the team scores whatever is done is the right call. The two previous versions of “The Shot” - Nova/UNC 2016 and Duke/Kentucky 1992 - both came out of timeouts. hm Did those teams practice those plays? Who knows. What we know from the post-game interviews is that Gonzaga players practice those shots. If they go in or out, so be it. pr My post would have fit better under just the Seth Davis tweet...that is what I was really responding to. Though the implication that Coach K and Jay Wright did not have their teams fully prepped for every situation is a bit laughable, but whatever. Especially the back of the playbook, previously unheard of 'give it to your fastest player, let him take it as far as he can and then shoot' play. Not sure either Hall of Fame coach could imagine such a play, let alone practice it. hm
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Post by Elvado on Apr 4, 2021 11:47:09 GMT -5
Exactly! 9 out of 10 teams call time out there. Mark Few, on the other hand, coaches them in practice. There was no wondering who’s going to inbound it or who’s going to receive the pass. Suggs caught on the move and was a blur up the sideline. I was at center court in the Spectrum for the Laettner play. IMO this was better. Not even close. I hate Duke, Chocula and Laettner. That said, if Suggs missed, Double OT. If Laettner missed, game over.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 13:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by the_way on Apr 4, 2021 14:06:37 GMT -5
Expectation. Probabilities.
That is why we play the games. It is fun to watch and enlightening too.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 4, 2021 14:57:05 GMT -5
I think this game will go down as the greatest college basketball game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 15:32:54 GMT -5
Okay, here my problem for whatever it's worth....Why were the UCLA players running down the court with their backs turned away from Suggs? ?? Second question...Why didn't a few guys pressed him in full court? Why did they let him run down the court unmolested?
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 4, 2021 16:26:02 GMT -5
Okay, here my problem for whatever it's worth....Why were the UCLA players running down the court with their backs turned away from Suggs? ?? Second question...Why didn't a few guys pressed him in full court? Why did they let him run down the court unmolested? You don’t want to foul. Worst thing you can do is put him on the line and let him win it with free throws.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 4, 2021 16:26:25 GMT -5
I think this game will go down as the greatest college basketball game. Lol, Q
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Post by the_way on Apr 4, 2021 16:28:52 GMT -5
I think this game will go down as the greatest college basketball game. It might go down that way, but it isn't. It was a great game, but no.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 16:38:49 GMT -5
Okay, here my problem for whatever it's worth....Why were the UCLA players running down the court with their backs turned away from Suggs? ?? Second question...Why didn't a few guys pressed him in full court? Why did they let him run down the court unmolested? You don’t want to foul. Worst thing you can do is put him on the line and let him win it with free throws. No professor, I wasn't advocating fouling. I just wanted some kind of resistance to his dribbling unimpeded to the half court line. They could have at least tried trapping or someone should have been in front of him the whole way while he's dribbling up the court.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 4, 2021 16:47:40 GMT -5
You don’t want to foul. Worst thing you can do is put him on the line and let him win it with free throws. No professor, I wasn't advocating fouling. I just wanted some kind of resistance to his dribbling unimpeded to the half court line. They could have at least tried trapping or someone should have been in front of him the whole way while he's dribbling up the court. I think you live with it. They played it perfectly in my opinion. You live with getting beat with a half court bank shot. If they had fouled trying to press, or the refs called a foul and put Suggs on the line. You can't live that down.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 4, 2021 17:18:28 GMT -5
Suggs and Few said Gonzaga players do. pr As a high school basketball coach that 100% practices these type situations, I’d be shock if high level major college basketball programs don’t... In addition to practicing exact scenarios such as this, we have a drill that we film called 55. Score tied at 50...2:30 left on the clock. No coaching allowed. We play 5 on 5...when the first team scores 55, the clock starts. It could be 55-50, 55-52, etc...the final 2:30 is played out, and we let the players make the decisions. In film, we ask why they made the decisions they did. It’s just another way of allowing them to see why we do the things we do. Yep, a lot of middle school coaches on up close practices with half court shot practice. Some coaches will end the practice with one make and some with five makes for the team. High school level camps do the same thing. Most high school level teams (school and travel) end practices this way and starts post practice shoot around. The 55 sounds like a good drill. Really good.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 4, 2021 18:31:32 GMT -5
I think this game will go down as the greatest college basketball game. It might go down that way, but it isn't. It was a great game, but no. Can you think of a better game? I'm not talking about the amazing finish but rather the overall quality of play. Only other game where teams shot that well was our 1985 loss to Nova and that was a pre shot clock game where Nova only took 28 shots all game.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 4, 2021 19:38:15 GMT -5
Did those teams practice those plays? Who knows. What we know from the post-game interviews is that Gonzaga players practice those shots. If they go in or out, so be it. pr My post would have fit better under just the Seth Davis tweet...that is what I was really responding to. Though the implication that Coach K and Jay Wright did not have their teams fully prepped for every situation is a bit laughable, but whatever. Especially the back of the playbook, previously unheard of 'give it to your fastest player, let him take it as far as he can and then shoot' play. Not sure either Hall of Fame coach could imagine such a play, let alone practice it. hm I could care less about what Wright and K did or did not do, and no one made any implications either way. What we know is what Few and Suggs said. pr
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Post by the_way on Apr 4, 2021 19:56:06 GMT -5
It might go down that way, but it isn't. It was a great game, but no. Can you think of a better game? I'm not talking about the amazing finish but rather the overall quality of play. Only other game where teams shot that well was our 1985 loss to Nova and that was a pre shot clock game where Nova only took 28 shots all game. Plenty. I wasn't really thinking about the shooting percentages given that shooting percentage is only one facet of the game. I don't think there is a greatest game. There just are too many great games played. It was a good game. UCLA has played tough throughout the tournament.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 4, 2021 20:30:22 GMT -5
Can you think of a better game? I'm not talking about the amazing finish but rather the overall quality of play. Only other game where teams shot that well was our 1985 loss to Nova and that was a pre shot clock game where Nova only took 28 shots all game. Plenty. I wasn't really thinking about the shooting percentages given that shooting percentage is only one facet of the game. I don't think there is a greatest game. There just are too many great games played. It was a good game. UCLA has played tough throughout the tournament. Shooting percentages, turnovers, lead changes, assists and just overall execution plus the caliber of the players was amazing. Been watching college ball for 65 years. Never felt, while watching a game, "this game is amazing".
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