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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 17, 2021 23:42:31 GMT -5
guhoyas.com/news/2021/3/17/2021-fall-football-schedule-released.aspx2021 Georgetown ScheduleSept. 4 MaristSept. 11 at Delaware State Sept. 18 HarvardSept. 25 at Columbia Oct. 2 Colgate *Oct. 16 at Holy Cross * Oct. 23 at Bucknell * Oct. 30 Lafayette *Nov. 6 Fordham *Nov. 13 at Lehigh * Nov. 20 at Morgan State Home games in bold * - Patriot League game That game at Morgan State the Saturday before Thanksgiving gonna be *lit*
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 20, 2021 21:07:48 GMT -5
Delaware State? Um, well, definitely better than Marist.
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Post by thebin on Mar 23, 2021 6:46:29 GMT -5
Are you sure about that? Why? MEAC is a garbage league.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 23, 2021 7:40:43 GMT -5
Delaware State Marching Band "The Approaching Storm" and the Morgan State Magnificent Marching Machine and Foxxy Dancers! Go for the halftime shows!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 23, 2021 20:34:58 GMT -5
I've said my peace on this, but these are likely "one-off" games with no return (i.e., a home game returned to Washington). No offense to our Hornets or Bears readers out there, but a more prominent opponent would be a real boost to the program instead of the usual suspects which raise no level of campus or civic interest.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 23, 2021 22:36:08 GMT -5
I've said my peace on this, but these are likely "one-off" games with no return (i.e., a home game returned to Washington). No offense to our Hornets or Bears readers out there, but a more prominent opponent would be a real boost to the program instead of the usual suspects which raise no level of campus or civic interest. I think in this day and age, with just a bit of marketing HBCUs with their bands in tow could general more "campus or civic interest" than any realistic "more prominent opponent." I mean, sure, if we wanted to sign up for an uphill battle against William & Mary or getting bludgeoned by James Madison, that might bring a lot of local alums and families out to Cooper Field. Would that really be an improvement, though?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 23, 2021 23:18:54 GMT -5
I mean, sure, if we wanted to sign up for an uphill battle against William & Mary or getting bludgeoned by James Madison, that might bring a lot of local alums and families out to Cooper Field. Would that really be an improvement, though? Could you imagine a Patriot League school playing at Air Force? Or Duke? How about Stanford? Well, they will be. Five other PL schools have games set with schools such as these. Yet, the ethos and culture of Georgetown can't conceive of opponents like this.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 24, 2021 9:17:42 GMT -5
I mean, sure, if we wanted to sign up for an uphill battle against William & Mary or getting bludgeoned by James Madison, that might bring a lot of local alums and families out to Cooper Field. Would that really be an improvement, though? Could you imagine a Patriot League school playing at Air Force? Or Duke? How about Stanford? Well, they will be. Five other PL schools have games set with schools such as these. Yet, the ethos and culture of Georgetown can't conceive of opponents like this. What is the advantage for GU re: playing those schools instead of the ones that beat us up regularly and maybe a step above that level?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 24, 2021 19:05:20 GMT -5
What is the advantage for GU re: playing those schools instead of the ones that beat us up regularly and maybe a step above that level? Georgetown's not playing these schools. But what are some advantages? 1. Recruits. Extending the location of away games increases the appeal for recruits outside the local area. It is, in part, why the New York area was a regular stop in Georgetown sports (as opposed to, say, south to Richmond) for so many years. However, this has changed. In 1996, 50 players on the football team were from high schools in either NY or NJ. In 2019, just eight. Today's recruits are more likely to be from Georgia or Florida and playing a game closer to their parents and family can be an additive part of the recruiting pitch. (In basketball, Dean Smith used to offer his top recruits a pledge that if they went to Carolina, he would schedule a game in their home town within their four years at Chapel Hill.) 2. Local interest. Playing out of the region extends interest among alumni and local fans in general. A decade ago, there was an offer on the table for Georgetown to play North Dakota State in what is called a "guarantee" game (NDSU would pay a fee for Georgetown to travel there, more on this below) and the concept of a school like Georgetown University coming to Fargo, ND got some favorable coverage in the newspapers up there. Fearing a loss, Georgetown turned it down for a bus trip to Sacred Heart, and they lost there, too. Obviously, Fargo isn't a big alumni area but there are other places where this could be considered. 3. Opportunity. Every athlete wants to compete at a high level, no matter the odds. Why does Navy play Notre Dame, even though at one point ND won 43 consecutive years? Because it made them better players and, eventually, a better team. Now, Stanford isn't scheduling Colgate to lose, of course. But it could make Colgate a better team in the long run if they learn from that game. And of course, it's a memory those players will have for a lifetime. I am not arguing the financial side of the equation, however. Lafayette playing at Duke will provide a payday that will cover most of that school's operating expenses in football for the 2023 season and there are many I-AA schools who pay for their budgets by taking games on the road of which there is no hope of winning. That's not the point here. A better schedule pays dividends regardless of sport or revenue. Playing Stanford or UCLA in soccer would have been unheard of in 1990 when Georgetown's schedule included Mary Washington, Marymount, and Messiah College. But no one would argue Georgetown should still be playing those schools because it's grown as a program. I'm not sure Georgetown football has grown playing the likes of Marist, Davidson, or Columbia.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 24, 2021 22:19:38 GMT -5
Goodness DFW you are beating a dead horse that you know is super, duper dead.
We are not getting FBS games because we're not funding enough scholarships or equivalencies.
We are not getting more Ivy games than we already have (I'm sure we tried to fill every non-conference game with an Ivy).
And we are not going to play JMU or William and Mary, and even if we did, I don't see how that would benefit us any more than playing some regional HBCUs.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 24, 2021 22:21:23 GMT -5
Are you sure about that? Why? MEAC is a garbage league. Lol...it's a better league than the Pioneer. There's a wide variety of competency in the MEAC, but it produces 10 players each year that are better than any player the Pioneer has produced ever.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 25, 2021 8:53:22 GMT -5
We are not getting FBS games because we're not funding enough scholarships or equivalencies. We are not getting more Ivy games than we already have (I'm sure we tried to fill every non-conference game with an Ivy). And we are not going to play JMU or William and Mary, and even if we did, I don't see how that would benefit us any more than playing some regional HBCUs. I didn't say Georgetown should seek these out for financial reasons but the schedule is not as strong given what it could be. And I'm not arguing for JMU and William & Mary inasmuch as Butler and Villanova are at least Big East schools to which there is some name recognition. Two additional points: 1. Georgetown has never disclosed the equivalencies it is running with. It's not zero and it's probably not 60. And while this doesn't prohibit games with FBS teams (Yale is playing UConn this year) it certainly makes it infeasible to 95% of teams because the game wouldn't count for bowl eligibility. That's not an issue at UConn this year. 2. Del State and Morgan State were late pickups because of the instability in the MEAC, so I have no idea what Plan B was if they weren't available. But many HBCU's are not interested long term in Georgetown because their non-conference schedules are either FBS guarantee games or neutral site "classic" games. It's why Howard ditched Georgetown for a game a couple of years ago for a payday at Maryland. theundefeated.com/features/big-paycheck-or-big-headache-hbcus-rethink-playing-money-games/
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Post by hoyas212 on Apr 3, 2021 21:01:30 GMT -5
The scholarships/equivalencies point is well taken in terms of the difficulty of scheduling FBS opponents but Army and Marist of the Pioneer League announced they are playing in 2025. Might be incorrect, but don’t believe the Pioneer League teams offer athletic aid. If that is the case, it seems like opportunities are out there unless there were some special circumstances in getting that game scheduled.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 3, 2021 23:09:49 GMT -5
The scholarships/equivalencies point is well taken in terms of the difficulty of scheduling FBS opponents but Army and Marist of the Pioneer League announced they are playing in 2025. Might be incorrect, but don’t believe the Pioneer League teams offer athletic aid. If that is the case, it seems like opportunities are out there unless there were some special circumstances in getting that game scheduled. There is nothing special that prevents any I-A/FBS school from playing Ivy, Pioneer, or the only other team in Division I that chooses not to offer scholarships. The caveat is that the game does not count for a six win minimum required for bowl eligibility. However, Army already has a guaranteed bowl eligibility requirement through 2025, so as long as it finishes 7-5 in 2025, they'll be slotted in any one of these bowls by ESPN: Armed Forces (Ft. Worth), Birmingham, Bahamas, Boca Raton, Camellia (Montgomery, AL), Famous Idaho Potato (Boise), Fenway (Boston), First Responder (Dallas), Frisco, Gasparilla (Tampa), Hawaii, Las Vegas, Myrtle Beach, New Mexico (Albuquerque) or Texas (Houston). The Texas Bowl is clearly the best of these, and therefore least likely unless Army runs the table. The 2019 Texas Bowl featured Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma State before 68,115. And for what its worth, Yale travels to UConn this fall. This should be seen as a huge win for Marist and its fans, regardless of the score. Not only is it a mere half hour bus ride from the college, but Marist is one of only two I-AA/FCS schools Army has signed to date over the next ten seasons (the other is Dartmouth in 2024) and you can guarantee Marist will use this in recruiting pitches for the next four years, e.g., "you'll be playing before 40,000 people on national TV". And for anyone who hasn't been there, a fall afternoon at West Point is one of the best venues for college football anywhere. Who will be Georgetown's marquee opponent in 2025?
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Post by tgo on May 3, 2021 14:59:14 GMT -5
Which weekend is homecoming? is that always the 2nd or 3rd weekend in October or something like or does it move around?
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 3, 2021 19:03:10 GMT -5
Georgetown: "Hey, we open with Marist."
Fordham: "Hold my beer, and then some."
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 3, 2021 20:43:41 GMT -5
I like that the response is from a Marist guy...
Anyway, I suppose there are some Patriot League-level football players out there for whom "Hey man, come here and you can get curbstomped by Nebraska's starters for a half before they sub in their entire roster" is a draw, but... not sure that is out target recruiting demographic.
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Post by Problem of Dog on May 6, 2021 23:22:33 GMT -5
I like that the response is from a Marist guy... Anyway, I suppose there are some Patriot League-level football players out there for whom "Hey man, come here and you can get curbstomped by Nebraska's starters for a half before they sub in their entire roster" is a draw, but... not sure that is out target recruiting demographic. I would've thought it was very cool to play in Lincoln. Would've certainly helped wherever I was considering if they offered that Week 1 vs playing Marist Week 1. Still, absolutely no reason for any FBS school to schedule us.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 7, 2021 9:07:39 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 7, 2021 13:52:40 GMT -5
We have gotten 1% better at hype videos
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