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Post by hoyadimes on Mar 7, 2021 1:20:36 GMT -5
And lastly, without the great migration of last year, I do think the team wouldve at least been on the NCAA bubble this year.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 7, 2021 7:20:41 GMT -5
Thanks. I keep forgetting this will be a Covid NIT. But in a normal year I think if win two BE games we get an NIT bid. You’re wrong - the NIT in a normal year is not taking a 13-14 team that finished in 9th place in the Big East. You’re delusional. In 2019, Providence was 18-15 and tied for ninth place....and....wait for it....got an NIT bid. Before you say....18-15 is different than 13-14...it's really not too different. We missed out on scheduling two cupcakes and we missed out on playing the bottom team in the league twice.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2021 7:31:52 GMT -5
You’re wrong - the NIT in a normal year is not taking a 13-14 team that finished in 9th place in the Big East. You’re delusional. In 2019, Providence was 18-15 and tied for ninth place....and....wait for it....got an NIT bid. Before you say....18-15 is different than 13-14...it's really not too different. We missed out on scheduling two cupcakes and we missed out on playing the bottom team in the league twice. If we were 17-14, I might agree with you. But a losing record definitely matters. Also, the Big East stinks this year, much moreso than 2019.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 7, 2021 7:48:45 GMT -5
In 2019, Providence was 18-15 and tied for ninth place....and....wait for it....got an NIT bid. Before you say....18-15 is different than 13-14...it's really not too different. We missed out on scheduling two cupcakes and we missed out on playing the bottom team in the league twice. If we were 17-14, I might agree with you. But a losing record definitely matters. Also, the Big East stinks this year, much moreso than 2019. The BE will only get 3 bids but I feel like conference strength this year is really tough to measure. With few non conference games, NET ratings were set going into conference play and B12 and B10 teams benefited from beating each other, making all wins good wins and no losses bad. While the eye test says we weren’t a good conference, I do think the computers were a bit unkind. The conference does have wins over Texas, Oklahoma, USC, UNC, Wisconsin, Penn St, and a 1 pt loss at Kansas. The tournament will be interesting to see if the B10 and B12 were really that superior but with a depleted Nova squad and a Creighton team in turmoil, it may not be our best foot forward.
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Post by rhw485 on Mar 7, 2021 8:45:13 GMT -5
I always like posting the next day so don't get caught up in the moment and can kinda think more big picture about the game. That's definitely helpful after a frustrating performance like yesterday. There won't be nearly as many stats in this post because the stats look kinda meaningless with the entire 2nd half being garbage time - Lets get the obvious out of the way. No coaching decisions are changing the outcome of that game.
- Lets get the next obvious thing out of the way. This team can't reach its full potential (whatever that is) if Blair and Ewing aren't on the same page. They're still not, we'll never know what happened but it's disappointing to watch a senior finish his career this way.
- I warned against putting Pickett on Bouknight, and it kinda played out how I expected. There was no guarantee Pickett could do as good a job as Dante did (he didn't) and it all but guaranteed we'd continue to get abused on the boards. On the other hand, once you decide to start Carey over Blair, I get the logic. Carey basically had to be on Martin, so that forces Dante onto Cole and Pickett on Bouknight. Pickett is an improved defender, but it's never been guarding perimeter threats who run him through pnr and off ball screens. He got beat off the dribble early, so then went underneath too many screens and got beat from deep. I would've put Carey on Cole and lived with it but there's no guarantee that works any better. Needed Blair to have best chance and it didn't happen
- Does that one game undo 9 positive defensive performances? No, but I do think it makes you wonder if some of our defense has simply been fueled by playing a lot of our games in McDonough with teams not being able to shoot 3s well there. That's reductive and unfair to the legitimate strides we've seen but after getting lit up away from home, it has to be on the table. That was also the first time in a while we simply got beat in transition, which had been a problem the past few years but not one we'd seen this year.
- Ewing went back to his "selfish players" argument, but I personally didn't see that. I didn't see guys jacking up forced jumpers 5 seconds into the shot clock or going 1 on 3. I saw guys trying to run an offense where the first pass was taken away, and players who simply didn't have the ability to threaten the defense enough to let them take it off the dribble. Dante is quick enough, but UConn went under a lot. Carey can be blitzed. Blair is the only one with a chance and I'm not going to pretend he's a pick and roll maestro. They didn't try my short roll idea, UConn might've ended up just switching it. So we were left throwing it into Q on Sanogo which was never going to work.
- And I just hate the selfish players trope when we lose, but Ewing's the chef cooking up the gumbo when we win. It's the least of our problems but does feel like it's unfair to our players. He surely compliments them when we win but also makes sure people give him his due.
- Objectively, this does ultimately lead to a better BE draw. You can debate whether we would've rather played Marquette or Butler, the gut reaction is Butler just because we actually beat them but I don't know if it matters. Getting to potentially play Nova and avoid Creighton / UConn until finals is clearly the best outcome. None of that matters if you can't win on Wednesday
- Big picture, it's worth remembering our 4 cancelled games are against the BE teams that finished: 11th, 9th, 7th, 6th. All other teams playing Wednesday and we got the top 3 at full health. Any sort of strength of schedule weighted standings would've had our regular season performance closer to 5th or 6th best is my guess
Being in the 8/9 game is frustrating but hopefully this wakes them up and we see their best effort on Wednesday. Hoya Saxa
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Post by prhoya on Mar 7, 2021 9:22:29 GMT -5
You’re wrong - the NIT in a normal year is not taking a 13-14 team that finished in 9th place in the Big East. You’re delusional. In 2019, Providence was 18-15 and tied for ninth place....and....wait for it....got an NIT bid. Before you say....18-15 is different than 13-14...it's really not too different. We missed out on scheduling two cupcakes and we missed out on playing the bottom team in the league twice. I’m predicting that this “what if” will be used quite a lot to defend our losing record. The other side of that is that we could’ve ended up 1-3 because we sucked on the road. Plus, what if we don’t have that big COVID break and Pat is still using 6 players plus Tim? How would our players hold up without a big break? We kind of know because by the end of last year he was using only 6 players. We know that we played better after the break. We know that we were on a 5-game losing streak with the next game vs UCon at home before we had to stop. We could have lost even more games. This “what if” needs to stop. A better angle for this season might be: “It is what it is.”
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Post by prhoya on Mar 7, 2021 9:54:06 GMT -5
Ewing went back to his "selfish players" argument, but I personally didn't see that. I didn't see guys jacking up forced jumpers 5 seconds into the shot clock or going 1 on 3. I saw guys trying to run an offense where the first pass was taken away, and players who simply didn't have the ability to threaten the defense enough to let them take it off the dribble. Dante is quick enough, but UConn went under a lot. Carey can be blitzed. Blair is the only one with a chance and I'm not going to pretend he's a pick and roll maestro. They didn't try my short roll idea, UConn might've ended up just switching it. So we were left throwing it into Q on Sanogo which was never going to work. And I just hate the selfish players trope when we lose, but Ewing's the chef cooking up the gumbo when we win. It's the least of our problems but does feel like it's unfair to our players. He surely compliments them when we win but also makes sure people give him his due. Yes, this is not a good look and it’s a recurring theme after losses. Like you, I didn’t see the selfish play. I saw a UCon defense that cut passing angles on the perimeter, challenged our 3s, and controlled the post with one man, which allowed for more perimeter defense. Although I support Pat’s DNP re: Blair, if he was going to use him in this game, Blair should’ve played since early in the first half.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 7, 2021 10:11:08 GMT -5
I always like posting the next day so don't get caught up in the moment and can kinda think more big picture about the game. That's definitely helpful after a frustrating performance like yesterday. There won't be nearly as many stats in this post because the stats look kinda meaningless with the entire 2nd half being garbage time - Lets get the obvious out of the way. No coaching decisions are changing the outcome of that game.
- Lets get the next obvious thing out of the way. This team can't reach its full potential (whatever that is) if Blair and Ewing aren't on the same page. They're still not, we'll never know what happened but it's disappointing to watch a senior finish his career this way.
- I warned against putting Pickett on Bouknight, and it kinda played out how I expected. There was no guarantee Pickett could do as good a job as Dante did (he didn't) and it all but guaranteed we'd continue to get abused on the boards. On the other hand, once you decide to start Carey over Blair, I get the logic. Carey basically had to be on Martin, so that forces Dante onto Cole and Pickett on Bouknight. Pickett is an improved defender, but it's never been guarding perimeter threats who run him through pnr and off ball screens. He got beat off the dribble early, so then went underneath too many screens and got beat from deep. I would've put Carey on Cole and lived with it but there's no guarantee that works any better. Needed Blair to have best chance and it didn't happen
- Does that one game undo 9 positive defensive performances? No, but I do think it makes you wonder if some of our defense has simply been fueled by playing a lot of our games in McDonough with teams not being able to shoot 3s well there. That's reductive and unfair to the legitimate strides we've seen but after getting lit up away from home, it has to be on the table. That was also the first time in a while we simply got beat in transition, which had been a problem the past few years but not one we'd seen this year.
- Ewing went back to his "selfish players" argument, but I personally didn't see that. I didn't see guys jacking up forced jumpers 5 seconds into the shot clock or going 1 on 3. I saw guys trying to run an offense where the first pass was taken away, and players who simply didn't have the ability to threaten the defense enough to let them take it off the dribble. Dante is quick enough, but UConn went under a lot. Carey can be blitzed. Blair is the only one with a chance and I'm not going to pretend he's a pick and roll maestro. They didn't try my short roll idea, UConn might've ended up just switching it. So we were left throwing it into Q on Sanogo which was never going to work.
- And I just hate the selfish players trope when we lose, but Ewing's the chef cooking up the gumbo when we win. It's the least of our problems but does feel like it's unfair to our players. He surely compliments them when we win but also makes sure people give him his due.
- Objectively, this does ultimately lead to a better BE draw. You can debate whether we would've rather played Marquette or Butler, the gut reaction is Butler just because we actually beat them but I don't know if it matters. Getting to potentially play Nova and avoid Creighton / UConn until finals is clearly the best outcome. None of that matters if you can't win on Wednesday
- Big picture, it's worth remembering our 4 cancelled games are against the BE teams that finished: 11th, 9th, 7th, 6th. All other teams playing Wednesday and we got the top 3 at full health. Any sort of strength of schedule weighted standings would've had our regular season performance closer to 5th or 6th best is my guess
Being in the 8/9 game is frustrating but hopefully this wakes them up and we see their best effort on Wednesday. Hoya Saxa
Not much to add to this. I do think that's about as well as UConn is ever going to shoot. Even their wings and 4s were hitting from deep with regularity. If they keep that up, that's a team that can definitely get to the second weekend. Coaching doesn't change the outcome of the game, but was also very surprised to see Pickett instead of Dante on Bouknight. That just about eliminated any chances we had to stay close on the boards. The fact that Bouknight was red-hot from deep just made it worse. Would've also like to see the frosh play a bit more in garbage time. Nothing was changing the outcome of the game after half; would think at a minimum you'd like to keep your starters fresher for Wed. I think against a team like UConn you are inevitably going to give up some points in transition. They are just too athletic and quick to stop if you give them live-ball turnovers. But the recurring problem for us is that we convert so few of our own fast breaks. Instead of getting a quick bucket, most of the time we're just hoping to get a shot off or avoid a turnover. That can't be the case if we want to take the next step. You can say the supposed athletes coming in next year will help with this, but our fast breaks need to be run a lot better going forward. Re: rebounding. Again, another classic case of one team doing the dirty work, being active and boxing out vs. another team not doing the same and jumping at the ball hoping to reach for it. The team exhibiting fundamentals will get the ball more often than not, and it doesn't help that the team that's boxing out also happens to be the stronger and more athletic team. I don't care if Patrick yells rebound 1000x a game, it doesn't mean a damn if his guys don't know how to box their man out. There will be teams we can just exert our size/length over, but we will continue to struggle against better teams that don't give us that advantage. Have to get better at that this offseason. Thought Hurley made a couple nice adjustments from Game 1, both centering around Harris. Clearly, their defense was geared to take away Dante driving to the hoop; they were willing to give him just about any perimeter shot he wanted and he could never make them pay for that. On the offensive side, they were definitely targeting their matchups against Blair/Carey and whenever Pickett was on Bouknight and going away from Harris if possible. Definitely the worst matchup for us by far this year. But still think there's enough there to regroup and put some pressure on some teams in NYC next week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 10:24:06 GMT -5
I always like posting the next day so don't get caught up in the moment and can kinda think more big picture about the game. That's definitely helpful after a frustrating performance like yesterday. There won't be nearly as many stats in this post because the stats look kinda meaningless with the entire 2nd half being garbage time - Lets get the obvious out of the way. No coaching decisions are changing the outcome of that game.
- Lets get the next obvious thing out of the way. This team can't reach its full potential (whatever that is) if Blair and Ewing aren't on the same page. They're still not, we'll never know what happened but it's disappointing to watch a senior finish his career this way.
- I warned against putting Pickett on Bouknight, and it kinda played out how I expected. There was no guarantee Pickett could do as good a job as Dante did (he didn't) and it all but guaranteed we'd continue to get abused on the boards. On the other hand, once you decide to start Carey over Blair, I get the logic. Carey basically had to be on Martin, so that forces Dante onto Cole and Pickett on Bouknight. Pickett is an improved defender, but it's never been guarding perimeter threats who run him through pnr and off ball screens. He got beat off the dribble early, so then went underneath too many screens and got beat from deep. I would've put Carey on Cole and lived with it but there's no guarantee that works any better. Needed Blair to have best chance and it didn't happen
- Does that one game undo 9 positive defensive performances? No, but I do think it makes you wonder if some of our defense has simply been fueled by playing a lot of our games in McDonough with teams not being able to shoot 3s well there. That's reductive and unfair to the legitimate strides we've seen but after getting lit up away from home, it has to be on the table. That was also the first time in a while we simply got beat in transition, which had been a problem the past few years but not one we'd seen this year.
- Ewing went back to his "selfish players" argument, but I personally didn't see that. I didn't see guys jacking up forced jumpers 5 seconds into the shot clock or going 1 on 3. I saw guys trying to run an offense where the first pass was taken away, and players who simply didn't have the ability to threaten the defense enough to let them take it off the dribble. Dante is quick enough, but UConn went under a lot. Carey can be blitzed. Blair is the only one with a chance and I'm not going to pretend he's a pick and roll maestro. They didn't try my short roll idea, UConn might've ended up just switching it. So we were left throwing it into Q on Sanogo which was never going to work.
- And I just hate the selfish players trope when we lose, but Ewing's the chef cooking up the gumbo when we win. It's the least of our problems but does feel like it's unfair to our players. He surely compliments them when we win but also makes sure people give him his due.
- Objectively, this does ultimately lead to a better BE draw. You can debate whether we would've rather played Marquette or Butler, the gut reaction is Butler just because we actually beat them but I don't know if it matters. Getting to potentially play Nova and avoid Creighton / UConn until finals is clearly the best outcome. None of that matters if you can't win on Wednesday
- Big picture, it's worth remembering our 4 cancelled games are against the BE teams that finished: 11th, 9th, 7th, 6th. All other teams playing Wednesday and we got the top 3 at full health. Any sort of strength of schedule weighted standings would've had our regular season performance closer to 5th or 6th best is my guess
Being in the 8/9 game is frustrating but hopefully this wakes them up and we see their best effort on Wednesday. Hoya Saxa
Not much to add to this. I do think that's about as well as UConn is ever going to shoot. Even their wings and 4s were hitting from deep with regularity. If they keep that up, that's a team that can definitely get to the second weekend. Coaching doesn't change the outcome of the game, but was also very surprised to see Pickett instead of Dante on Bouknight. That just about eliminated any chances we had to stay close on the boards. The fact that Bouknight was red-hot from deep just made it worse. Would've also like to see the frosh play a bit more in garbage time. Nothing was changing the outcome of the game after half; would think at a minimum you'd like to keep your starters fresher for Wed. I think against a team like UConn you are inevitably going to give up some points in transition. They are just too athletic and quick to stop if you give them live-ball turnovers. But the recurring problem for us is that we convert so few of our own fast breaks. Instead of getting a quick bucket, most of the time we're just hoping to get a shot off or avoid a turnover. That can't be the case if we want to take the next step. You can say the supposed athletes coming in next year will help with this, but our fast breaks need to be run a lot better going forward. Re: rebounding. Again, another classic case of one team doing the dirty work, being active and boxing out vs. another team not doing the same and jumping at the ball hoping to reach for it. The team exhibiting fundamentals will get the ball more often than not, and it doesn't help that the team that's boxing out also happens to be the stronger and more athletic team. I don't care if Patrick yells rebound 1000x a game, it doesn't mean a damn if his guys don't know how to box their man out. There will be teams we can just exert our size/length over, but we will continue to struggle against better teams that don't give us that advantage. Have to get better at that this offseason. Thought Hurley made a couple nice adjustments from Game 1, both centering around Harris. Clearly, their defense was geared to take away Dante driving to the hoop; they were willing to give him just about any perimeter shot he wanted and he could never make them pay for that. On the offensive side, they were definitely targeting their matchups against Blair/Carey and whenever Pickett was on Bouknight and going away from Harris if possible. Definitely the worst matchup for us by far this year. But still think there's enough there to regroup and put some pressure on some teams in NYC nexrt week. I personally don't think that Pickett on Bougknight was a bad idea. I mean he scored 21 points. How many did he score with Dante checking him. I think the main problem for us was that Blair didn't start and we too one dimensional with feeding the ball to Q earlier on. I thought the offense should have gone through Blair with Blair penetrating the lanes looking for his shots and dishing out to the perimeter shooters. I think if we would have started off doing that along with dumping the ball inside to Q, we would have been in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 10:28:39 GMT -5
UConn is going to win the tournament. They are simply too athletic for most Big East teams. The only school I think could hang with them would be Creighton. The only way we would have a chance is if Blair plays and we go through him early and often.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 7, 2021 10:42:01 GMT -5
Not much to add to this. I do think that's about as well as UConn is ever going to shoot. Even their wings and 4s were hitting from deep with regularity. If they keep that up, that's a team that can definitely get to the second weekend. Coaching doesn't change the outcome of the game, but was also very surprised to see Pickett instead of Dante on Bouknight. That just about eliminated any chances we had to stay close on the boards. The fact that Bouknight was red-hot from deep just made it worse. Would've also like to see the frosh play a bit more in garbage time. Nothing was changing the outcome of the game after half; would think at a minimum you'd like to keep your starters fresher for Wed. I think against a team like UConn you are inevitably going to give up some points in transition. They are just too athletic and quick to stop if you give them live-ball turnovers. But the recurring problem for us is that we convert so few of our own fast breaks. Instead of getting a quick bucket, most of the time we're just hoping to get a shot off or avoid a turnover. That can't be the case if we want to take the next step. You can say the supposed athletes coming in next year will help with this, but our fast breaks need to be run a lot better going forward. Re: rebounding. Again, another classic case of one team doing the dirty work, being active and boxing out vs. another team not doing the same and jumping at the ball hoping to reach for it. The team exhibiting fundamentals will get the ball more often than not, and it doesn't help that the team that's boxing out also happens to be the stronger and more athletic team. I don't care if Patrick yells rebound 1000x a game, it doesn't mean a damn if his guys don't know how to box their man out. There will be teams we can just exert our size/length over, but we will continue to struggle against better teams that don't give us that advantage. Have to get better at that this offseason. Thought Hurley made a couple nice adjustments from Game 1, both centering around Harris. Clearly, their defense was geared to take away Dante driving to the hoop; they were willing to give him just about any perimeter shot he wanted and he could never make them pay for that. On the offensive side, they were definitely targeting their matchups against Blair/Carey and whenever Pickett was on Bouknight and going away from Harris if possible. Definitely the worst matchup for us by far this year. But still think there's enough there to regroup and put some pressure on some teams in NYC nexrt week. I personally don't think that Pickett on Bougknight was a bad idea. I mean he scored 21 points. How many did he score with Dante checking him. I think the main problem for us was that Blair didn't start and we too one dimensional with feeding the ball to Q earlier on. I thought the offense should have gone through Blair with Blair penetrating the lanes looking for his shots and dishing out to the perimeter shooters. I think if we would have started off doing that along with dumping the ball inside to Q, we would have been in the game. At the end of the day they were on fire from 3. They shoot 34% from 3 and shot 43% yesterday. As 2003 likes to say these games are determined by if we can shoot the 3 and whether the opponent is not hot from 3. That’s modern basketball
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 7, 2021 10:45:20 GMT -5
Harris was poor. Might be the ankle but we can’t win if the point doesn’t have a good game.
Blair ironically probably had his best offensive shooting game of his career. Shot a high percentage instead of chucking it like he usually does.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Mar 7, 2021 11:04:08 GMT -5
In 2019, Providence was 18-15 and tied for ninth place....and....wait for it....got an NIT bid. Before you say....18-15 is different than 13-14...it's really not too different. We missed out on scheduling two cupcakes and we missed out on playing the bottom team in the league twice. I’m predicting that this “what if” will be used quite a lot to defend our losing record. The other side of that is that we could’ve ended up 1-3 because we sucked on the road. Plus, what if we don’t have that big COVID break and Pat is still using 6 players plus Tim? How would our players hold up without a big break? We kind of know because by the end of last year he was using only 6 players. We know that we played better after the break. We know that we were on a 5-game losing streak with the next game vs UCon at home before we had to stop. We could have lost even more games. This “what if” needs to stop. A better angle for this season might be: “It is what it is.” For the sake of clarity, this is just a convoluted way of saying that we use 7 players, right? Or does Tim not count as a player for some reason? hm
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Post by calhoya on Mar 7, 2021 11:11:10 GMT -5
Agree that Ewing should temper the criticism a little and would have preferred the term lazy or lethargic to selfish, but there were plenty of plays where the ball stopped while a player decided what to do next. Clearly Bile has to fight the urge to always try to shoot or create and when he let's the game come to him as in the second half he is a real force. Wahab gets his points but is still so much a project and as much a negative as a positive against other bigs in my mind and with Pickett outside chasing a guard (0 rebounds), the rebounding was just not there.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 7, 2021 11:18:45 GMT -5
I’m predicting that this “what if” will be used quite a lot to defend our losing record. The other side of that is that we could’ve ended up 1-3 because we sucked on the road. Plus, what if we don’t have that big COVID break and Pat is still using 6 players plus Tim? How would our players hold up without a big break? We kind of know because by the end of last year he was using only 6 players. We know that we played better after the break. We know that we were on a 5-game losing streak with the next game vs UCon at home before we had to stop. We could have lost even more games. This “what if” needs to stop. A better angle for this season might be: “It is what it is.” For the sake of clarity, this is just a convoluted way of saying that we use 7 players, right? Or does Tim not count as a player for some reason? hm Saying 6 players makes it seem worse than saying 7 players.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 7, 2021 11:32:10 GMT -5
He really uses 6. I have been really frustrated with Tim's usage - much more than Berger's or Sibley's. Tim has his best half of season in 1st against SHU, and we never even see him in second. Pat meaningfully plays six, Ig and Sibs get token minutes.And rest of bench only plays in desperation or garbage time.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 7, 2021 11:50:21 GMT -5
I’m predicting that this “what if” will be used quite a lot to defend our losing record. The other side of that is that we could’ve ended up 1-3 because we sucked on the road. Plus, what if we don’t have that big COVID break and Pat is still using 6 players plus Tim? How would our players hold up without a big break? We kind of know because by the end of last year he was using only 6 players. We know that we played better after the break. We know that we were on a 5-game losing streak with the next game vs UCon at home before we had to stop. We could have lost even more games. This “what if” needs to stop. A better angle for this season might be: “It is what it is.” For the sake of clarity, this is just a convoluted way of saying that we use 7 players, right? Or does Tim not count as a player for some reason? hm Depends on what you think of a player avg. 8 mpg since the COVID break. Also, see smokeyjack’s post above.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 7, 2021 12:49:32 GMT -5
I always like posting the next day so don't get caught up in the moment and can kinda think more big picture about the game. That's definitely helpful after a frustrating performance like yesterday. There won't be nearly as many stats in this post because the stats look kinda meaningless with the entire 2nd half being garbage time - Lets get the obvious out of the way. No coaching decisions are changing the outcome of that game.
- Lets get the next obvious thing out of the way. This team can't reach its full potential (whatever that is) if Blair and Ewing aren't on the same page. They're still not, we'll never know what happened but it's disappointing to watch a senior finish his career this way.
- I warned against putting Pickett on Bouknight, and it kinda played out how I expected. There was no guarantee Pickett could do as good a job as Dante did (he didn't) and it all but guaranteed we'd continue to get abused on the boards. On the other hand, once you decide to start Carey over Blair, I get the logic. Carey basically had to be on Martin, so that forces Dante onto Cole and Pickett on Bouknight. Pickett is an improved defender, but it's never been guarding perimeter threats who run him through pnr and off ball screens. He got beat off the dribble early, so then went underneath too many screens and got beat from deep. I would've put Carey on Cole and lived with it but there's no guarantee that works any better. Needed Blair to have best chance and it didn't happen
- Does that one game undo 9 positive defensive performances? No, but I do think it makes you wonder if some of our defense has simply been fueled by playing a lot of our games in McDonough with teams not being able to shoot 3s well there. That's reductive and unfair to the legitimate strides we've seen but after getting lit up away from home, it has to be on the table. That was also the first time in a while we simply got beat in transition, which had been a problem the past few years but not one we'd seen this year.
- Ewing went back to his "selfish players" argument, but I personally didn't see that. I didn't see guys jacking up forced jumpers 5 seconds into the shot clock or going 1 on 3. I saw guys trying to run an offense where the first pass was taken away, and players who simply didn't have the ability to threaten the defense enough to let them take it off the dribble. Dante is quick enough, but UConn went under a lot. Carey can be blitzed. Blair is the only one with a chance and I'm not going to pretend he's a pick and roll maestro. They didn't try my short roll idea, UConn might've ended up just switching it. So we were left throwing it into Q on Sanogo which was never going to work.
- And I just hate the selfish players trope when we lose, but Ewing's the chef cooking up the gumbo when we win. It's the least of our problems but does feel like it's unfair to our players. He surely compliments them when we win but also makes sure people give him his due.
- Objectively, this does ultimately lead to a better BE draw. You can debate whether we would've rather played Marquette or Butler, the gut reaction is Butler just because we actually beat them but I don't know if it matters. Getting to potentially play Nova and avoid Creighton / UConn until finals is clearly the best outcome. None of that matters if you can't win on Wednesday
- Big picture, it's worth remembering our 4 cancelled games are against the BE teams that finished: 11th, 9th, 7th, 6th. All other teams playing Wednesday and we got the top 3 at full health. Any sort of strength of schedule weighted standings would've had our regular season performance closer to 5th or 6th best is my guess
Being in the 8/9 game is frustrating but hopefully this wakes them up and we see their best effort on Wednesday. Hoya Saxa
Yeah, this post says it all. This game was all garbage time so stats don't say nearly as much. But Bouknight having 11 points in the first seven minutes (we were down 10 at this point and it felt like more) and us getting killed on the glass shows that Dante is probably the better matchup, just with this team. Next year, we will have much better matchups for guys like Bouknight. Bouknight was also incredibly efficient with 21 on 8/12 from the field vs 20 on 8/17 shooting last game. Dante matches up better, but that also wasn't changing this game. They killed us. They shot it well (a lot of open shots though) and we didn't start hitting shots until garbage time. It was a never in doubt loss for us. Hopefully this motivates our guys to come out stronger in the next one. This team is a terrible matchup for us and I hope that we can avoid them for as long as possible. There isn't much else to say. Nobody played well. The bright spot of this game was Holloway. Clark looked incredibly rusty and as did all the seniors. Blair turned it on in garbage time, but he also wasn't good in the first half. Him and Carey were burnt bad defensively consistently. And Pickett just got Bouknighted. Pickett is probably a better matchup for guys playing the 3-5 and Dante is better against the 1-2 positions. And yeah, against this team you will give up transition buckets. A unit that has Bouknight, Jackson and Martin is probably the most athletic unit in college hoops period. My main takeaway from this one is that the defensive minded assistant is still needed next year. The success defensively was good, but not enough to give me confidence for us on that end. It's improved, but I'm not sure it's enough. No coaching adjustment was changing that result, but I still think that the scheme needs to be better next year. This is our best defensive scheme, but I'm not sure it's good enough.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 7, 2021 13:13:54 GMT -5
I always like posting the next day so don't get caught up in the moment and can kinda think more big picture about the game. That's definitely helpful after a frustrating performance like yesterday. There won't be nearly as many stats in this post because the stats look kinda meaningless with the entire 2nd half being garbage time - Lets get the obvious out of the way. No coaching decisions are changing the outcome of that game.
- Lets get the next obvious thing out of the way. This team can't reach its full potential (whatever that is) if Blair and Ewing aren't on the same page. They're still not, we'll never know what happened but it's disappointing to watch a senior finish his career this way.
- I warned against putting Pickett on Bouknight, and it kinda played out how I expected. There was no guarantee Pickett could do as good a job as Dante did (he didn't) and it all but guaranteed we'd continue to get abused on the boards. On the other hand, once you decide to start Carey over Blair, I get the logic. Carey basically had to be on Martin, so that forces Dante onto Cole and Pickett on Bouknight. Pickett is an improved defender, but it's never been guarding perimeter threats who run him through pnr and off ball screens. He got beat off the dribble early, so then went underneath too many screens and got beat from deep. I would've put Carey on Cole and lived with it but there's no guarantee that works any better. Needed Blair to have best chance and it didn't happen
- Does that one game undo 9 positive defensive performances? No, but I do think it makes you wonder if some of our defense has simply been fueled by playing a lot of our games in McDonough with teams not being able to shoot 3s well there. That's reductive and unfair to the legitimate strides we've seen but after getting lit up away from home, it has to be on the table. That was also the first time in a while we simply got beat in transition, which had been a problem the past few years but not one we'd seen this year.
- Ewing went back to his "selfish players" argument, but I personally didn't see that. I didn't see guys jacking up forced jumpers 5 seconds into the shot clock or going 1 on 3. I saw guys trying to run an offense where the first pass was taken away, and players who simply didn't have the ability to threaten the defense enough to let them take it off the dribble. Dante is quick enough, but UConn went under a lot. Carey can be blitzed. Blair is the only one with a chance and I'm not going to pretend he's a pick and roll maestro. They didn't try my short roll idea, UConn might've ended up just switching it. So we were left throwing it into Q on Sanogo which was never going to work.
- And I just hate the selfish players trope when we lose, but Ewing's the chef cooking up the gumbo when we win. It's the least of our problems but does feel like it's unfair to our players. He surely compliments them when we win but also makes sure people give him his due.
- Objectively, this does ultimately lead to a better BE draw. You can debate whether we would've rather played Marquette or Butler, the gut reaction is Butler just because we actually beat them but I don't know if it matters. Getting to potentially play Nova and avoid Creighton / UConn until finals is clearly the best outcome. None of that matters if you can't win on Wednesday
- Big picture, it's worth remembering our 4 cancelled games are against the BE teams that finished: 11th, 9th, 7th, 6th. All other teams playing Wednesday and we got the top 3 at full health. Any sort of strength of schedule weighted standings would've had our regular season performance closer to 5th or 6th best is my guess
Being in the 8/9 game is frustrating but hopefully this wakes them up and we see their best effort on Wednesday. Hoya Saxa
Yeah, this post says it all. This game was all garbage time so stats don't say nearly as much. But Bouknight having 11 points in the first seven minutes (we were down 10 at this point and it felt like more) and us getting killed on the glass shows that Dante is probably the better matchup, just with this team. Next year, we will have much better matchups for guys like Bouknight. Bouknight was also incredibly efficient with 21 on 8/12 from the field vs 20 on 8/17 shooting last game. Dante matches up better, but that also wasn't changing this game. They killed us. They shot it well (a lot of open shots though) and we didn't start hitting shots until garbage time. It was a never in doubt loss for us. Hopefully this motivates our guys to come out stronger in the next one. This team is a terrible matchup for us and I hope that we can avoid them for as long as possible. There isn't much else to say. Nobody played well. The bright spot of this game was Holloway. Clark looked incredibly rusty and as did all the seniors. Blair turned it on in garbage time, but he also wasn't good in the first half. Him and Carey were burnt bad defensively consistently. And Pickett just got Bouknighted. Pickett is probably a better matchup for guys playing the 3-5 and Dante is better against the 1-2 positions. And yeah, against this team you will give up transition buckets. A unit that has Bouknight, Jackson and Martin is probably the most athletic unit in college hoops period. My main takeaway from this one is that the defensive minded assistant is still needed next year. The success defensively was good, but not enough to give me confidence for us on that end. It's improved, but I'm not sure it's enough. No coaching adjustment was changing that result, but I still think that the scheme needs to be better next year. This is our best defensive scheme, but I'm not sure it's good enough. I think Boknight might be gone after this year. Especially if UCONN makes a deep run in the NCAA tournament.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 7, 2021 13:33:04 GMT -5
Yeah, this post says it all. This game was all garbage time so stats don't say nearly as much. But Bouknight having 11 points in the first seven minutes (we were down 10 at this point and it felt like more) and us getting killed on the glass shows that Dante is probably the better matchup, just with this team. Next year, we will have much better matchups for guys like Bouknight. Bouknight was also incredibly efficient with 21 on 8/12 from the field vs 20 on 8/17 shooting last game. Dante matches up better, but that also wasn't changing this game. They killed us. They shot it well (a lot of open shots though) and we didn't start hitting shots until garbage time. It was a never in doubt loss for us. Hopefully this motivates our guys to come out stronger in the next one. This team is a terrible matchup for us and I hope that we can avoid them for as long as possible. There isn't much else to say. Nobody played well. The bright spot of this game was Holloway. Clark looked incredibly rusty and as did all the seniors. Blair turned it on in garbage time, but he also wasn't good in the first half. Him and Carey were burnt bad defensively consistently. And Pickett just got Bouknighted. Pickett is probably a better matchup for guys playing the 3-5 and Dante is better against the 1-2 positions. And yeah, against this team you will give up transition buckets. A unit that has Bouknight, Jackson and Martin is probably the most athletic unit in college hoops period. My main takeaway from this one is that the defensive minded assistant is still needed next year. The success defensively was good, but not enough to give me confidence for us on that end. It's improved, but I'm not sure it's enough. No coaching adjustment was changing that result, but I still think that the scheme needs to be better next year. This is our best defensive scheme, but I'm not sure it's good enough. I think Boknight might be gone after this year. Especially if UCONN makes a deep run in the NCAA tournament. Well yeah that's why I said guys like Bouknight. Like elite players at the 2/3 positions. I think he's a top 10 pick and he should leave. But out of curiosity, I don't think I've seen you spell an opposing player's name right all season. Why is this? Is it like your thing or just unintentional or what? I'm more curious than anything else.
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