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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 6, 2021 14:10:48 GMT -5
I think some people are going to be very disappointed by Beard's PG ability. I hope not. But we will see next season when Beard is our floor general Beard will be a good guard but Dante is the better PG. No matter how much Boya hates him, he has the IQ of a HM PG. Sure he's not a NBA level athlete but you dont need that from a PG in college.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 6, 2021 14:11:36 GMT -5
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Post by drquigley on Mar 6, 2021 14:13:52 GMT -5
Outscored them 57-48 in second half. Hey this UCONN team, with Gillespie out, is a lock for BET title and is probably a final four team. Don't let this blowout sour us on our team. We lost to a very good team. With a little luck we are capable of winning 2 BET games and maybe getting an NIT bid.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 6, 2021 14:13:58 GMT -5
I mean we are pressing but they are firing early shot clock 3s up 22 points and have all starters in. Sadly we are in a position where we have to expect for opponent to have mercy on us. Definitely. Hurley pulled back his players and made the guards take time off the shot clock before shooting. It could’ve been uglier.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 6, 2021 14:15:59 GMT -5
Outscored them 57-48 in second half. Hey this UCONN team, with Gillespie out, is a lock for BET title and is probably a final four team. Don't let this blowout sour us on our team. We lost to a very good team. With a little luck we are capable of winning 2 BET games and maybe getting an NIT bid. Georgetown and Connecticut are tied with 7 BET titles, so for that reason alone, I don't want them to win it.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 6, 2021 14:16:55 GMT -5
Safe to say it’s not going to be a pleasant bus ride back to DC. UConn lost to BC in Boston once back in the day and a friend on the team bus said it was 2 hours of nonstop Calhoun profanity on the ride back to Storrs.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 6, 2021 14:17:38 GMT -5
Outscored them 57-48 in second half. Hey this UCONN team, with Gillespie out, is a lock for BET title and is probably a final four team. Don't let this blowout sour us on our team. We lost to a very good team. With a little luck we are capable of winning 2 BET games and maybe getting an NIT bid. An 11-13 team (even 12-13 if we made the final) is not getting a NIT bid when their field is only 16 teams this year
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Post by saxagael on Mar 6, 2021 14:20:40 GMT -5
That was a bit of a different game than I had hoped it would have been.
The upside is the freshmen were looking far better than earlier in the year. Bile had no shot attempts in the first half and was top scorer in the second half, until he fouled out. Bile was up for the fight, literally. Blair had a good second half shooting and playing off ball, still struggles as an on ball player. Oddly, Pickett only had one attempt in the 2nd half and he was doing a good job attacking in the first half and getting to the line (had Bouknight covering him for much of the 2nd half, who is a good defender on guards). Insight UConn had more physicality and fight and from the start of the game had heavy contact on any shot from a big and pushed their shots out beyond 8 feet, where shots aren't a given (really should have been more fouls called on the inside contact against Hoya bigs, but there wasn't and pretty much called the same both ways).
This season turned out far better than I thought it was going to, even up to the Covid break I thought how the season turned out was likely out beyond Hoyas capabilities. Players listened to coaching and improve play, most improved their ball IQ, defense improved drastically. A lot of what Patrick was yelling from the sidelines pre-Covid break was mostly being done on the court by the players who just weren't doing it pre break.
Not having a summer program to get players knowing each other and working together made a mostly all new team tough to gel. Hoyas also had two weeks less than every other Big East team because of Covid lockdown in DC (this helped from a DC health perspective, but really didn't help a young and mostly all new team come together).
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 6, 2021 14:21:53 GMT -5
Some thoughts: - UConn is a terrible matchup. We have exactly one guard who can hold someone on the perimeter straight up, and he's a freshman who can get caught up in some of the more structure offensive moves still (like some of the picks, etc). Pickett and Bile have some defensive strengths, but they can't be expected to shut down perimeter players and it shows. Sanogo out-Wahabs Wahab, and we lose the vast majority of the individual match-ups out there, except maybe Pickett. There are times when a team simply out-athletes another, and this is it.
- Is this bad coaching? I suppose in a macro-level, Ewing's more pro-style system leads to us getting killed when we get this much out-talented. Running pro-style pick and rolls and a mostly straight up man is not how you run a team with inferior talent. So on a larger level ... yes, this is a coaching loss in that sense. But it's a strategic one. People were excited to see a coach who built a system for better athletes and players. Well, this is what happens when you don't have those players. It was a choice I think a lot of those complaining signed off on.
- On a tactical or micro level, you can't pin this on Ewing. No one can suddenly implement a completely different style of play just for this matchup. I don't think anyone would have worked defensively, frankly, not that you could prep in a week. This was not a game decided by small choices.
- Basically no one played well today. Bile and Blair ended up with good shooting numbers, but both were in when the game when from around ~10 pts to 27 points, and both were absent there. Blair in particular picked up all his points later in the second half long after a real run was over. Bile had his a bit earlier, but frankly Blair was a defensive disaster and Bile combiend with Pickett for ... 0 rebounds. Which. Like how is that possible? So no one gets kudos. And no, the game is not different if we started Blair.
- Pickett was honestly the only guy to play well at all when the game was getting away. But he also had 0 rebounds. But he was making some things happen when it was still a game.
- Carey was awful today. I think it probably showed him limitations to the furthest point. Late on every defensive rotation, and offensively incapable aside from shooting 3s.
- The freshmen got a run, tiny run-out against the backups. Still, they at least looked decent against competition not trying too hard to defend.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 6, 2021 14:27:44 GMT -5
Reason to be encouraged: Ewing's strong post-game recognition of the lack of effort, ball movement, rebounding and defense.
Reasons to be discouraged: The continued lack of consistency by his teams and the apparent inability to stay disciplined and run the offense and play defense. Poor shooting happens. Lack of effort should not. I can no longer think of any adjectives to use in describing the careless, stupid, mind-numbing TOs that plague this team even on the best of days.
In the best of worlds Yurtseven would have been back and Wahab would have spent another year growing and learning as a backup. I think that his departure is so much more damaging than losing McClung or Akinjo.
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Post by saxagael on Mar 6, 2021 14:28:00 GMT -5
I think some people are going to be very disappointed by Beard's PG ability. I hope not. But we will see next season when Beard is our floor general Beard was the #1 late last spring, before he took another year. I've seen bits of him playing this year and Beard and Dante are going to be close. Dante has more fire and is far better at setting up the pass to assist and is a better defender with a lot more intensity. Beard has length and is athletic and good court vision, which all but length are things Dante also has. It is going to be interesting to watch next year. Dante has already make the transition to good D1 PG as a freshman, which is really rare. Beard hasn't started that transition. Beard played this year, but high school / prep ball this year was really not top level play as a lot of players missing and good teams sitting it out. It may have hurt Beard for next year, but a year ago there was no predicting how anything would go (not that things are fully clear yet, but things are a little more predictable).
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 6, 2021 14:32:08 GMT -5
There's not too much to say.
In a game in which everyone was bad, Carey was a special kind of bad. The game was too fast for him. That's bad enough...but he didnt seem to know it. Too many passes to no one and drives with no chance of success. And...his defense is always subpar.
Our lack of athleticism really showed, especially our bigs. Q's strength is being mechanically sound. He still can't improvise. At all.
UConn shot the lights out, sure. But we get screened off the ball way too easily. And if you can't keep guys in front....you force help...which leads to offensive boards.
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Post by the_way on Mar 6, 2021 14:33:08 GMT -5
Not surprised by the outcome. I was impressed by UCONN's ability in our first game against them. Thought they were the best team we played this year. This game only reaffirms it.
Loved the fight by the guys in the 2nd half, but this game was going to be a tough one just to have a chance.
On to the next game.
Go Hoyas!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 6, 2021 14:50:07 GMT -5
Some thoughts: Is this bad coaching? I suppose in a macro-level, Ewing's more pro-style system leads to us getting killed when we get this much out-talented. Running pro-style pick and rolls and a mostly straight up man is not how you run a team with inferior talent. So on a larger level ... yes, this is a coaching loss in that sense. But it's a strategic one. People were excited to see a coach who built a system for better athletes and players. Well, this is what happens when you don't have those players. It was a choice I think a lot of those complaining signed off on. Where I get tripped up is, Ewing came into Georgetown knowing he did not have the types of athletes and players you would typically use in a pro-style system. And, in the college game, when a program is at the stature Georgetown is at now (or in 2017, when Ewing got hired), I think it is unreasonable to expect a roster full of those athletes. I realize Aminu and some of our incoming freshman may be better athletes, which is great, but why you would use a system for 4 years that simply doesn't fit your roster, in the hope that someday you'll have players to implement it? And, I assume this is mostly referring to offense. There has been no discernible defensive system other than playing man-to-man coverage (and things like the hard hedge last year). As I noted in a recent post in the program thread, the defensive side still worries me the most.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 6, 2021 14:54:50 GMT -5
UCONN's really good and a bad matchup for us because they take away our strengths (rebounding, size, athleticism). Booknight is an NBA level players. If their 3pt shooting is on then hard for any team in the country to stop.
Time to move on and hope we have another opportunity to beat them.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 6, 2021 14:56:14 GMT -5
We can play UConn five more times, we aren’t beating them.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 6, 2021 14:58:11 GMT -5
Some thoughts: Is this bad coaching? I suppose in a macro-level, Ewing's more pro-style system leads to us getting killed when we get this much out-talented. Running pro-style pick and rolls and a mostly straight up man is not how you run a team with inferior talent. So on a larger level ... yes, this is a coaching loss in that sense. But it's a strategic one. People were excited to see a coach who built a system for better athletes and players. Well, this is what happens when you don't have those players. It was a choice I think a lot of those complaining signed off on. Where I get tripped up is, Ewing came into Georgetown knowing he did not have the types of athletes and players you would typically use in a pro-style system. And, in the college game, when a program is at the stature Georgetown is at now (or in 2017, when Ewing got hired), I think it is unreasonable to expect a roster full of those athletes. I realize Aminu and some of our incoming freshman may be better athletes, which is great, but why you would use a system for 4 years that simply doesn't fit your roster, in the hope that someday you'll have players to implement it? And, I assume this is mostly referring to offense. There has been no discernible defensive system other than playing man-to-man coverage (and things like the hard hedge last year). As I noted in a recent post in the program thread, the defensive side still worries me the most. He's brought in NBA level athleteticism (MacClung, Josh LeBlanc, Bile, Galen) or measurables (Pickett) or guys who have an elite skill (Akinjo, Carey, Malinowski) so not sure where you are getting that.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 6, 2021 14:58:38 GMT -5
We can play UConn five more times, we aren’t beating them. Not many teams have beat them with Booknight.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 6, 2021 14:59:41 GMT -5
Where I get tripped up is, Ewing came into Georgetown knowing he did not have the types of athletes and players you would typically use in a pro-style system. And, in the college game, when a program is at the stature Georgetown is at now (or in 2017, when Ewing got hired), I think it is unreasonable to expect a roster full of those athletes. I realize Aminu and some of our incoming freshman may be better athletes, which is great, but why you would use a system for 4 years that simply doesn't fit your roster, in the hope that someday you'll have players to implement it? And, I assume this is mostly referring to offense. There has been no discernible defensive system other than playing man-to-man coverage (and things like the hard hedge last year). As I noted in a recent post in the program thread, the defensive side still worries me the most. He's brought in NBA level athleteticism (MacClung, Josh LeBlanc, Bile, Galen) or measurables (Pickett) or guys who have an elite skill (Akinjo, Carey, Malinowski) so not sure where you are getting that. If you think Galen or Bile has NBA athleticism and/or Carey has an elite skill, then I’m not sure you are watching enough non Hoya games.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 6, 2021 15:02:35 GMT -5
He's brought in NBA level athleteticism (MacClung, Josh LeBlanc, Bile, Galen) or measurables (Pickett) or guys who have an elite skill (Akinjo, Carey, Malinowski) so not sure where you are getting that. If you think Galen or Bile has NBA athleticism and/or Carey has an elite skill, then I’m not sure you are watching enough non Hoya games. More so than what III was brining in (sub par Big East level athletes like Reggie Cameron)
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