prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2021 21:52:16 GMT -5
I agree and have to wonder what was going on in practice the last four years. Seems like some pretty basic teaching from the coaching staff could have made a big difference. One would think basketball players would have been receiving this instruction on fundamentals since, say, about middle school. I'm serious. For example, both Blair and Carey have tried that one-handed whip it pass - do they think it looks cool? I really don't know but it certainly isn't effective. You play defense with your feet, not your hands - move your feet. Things like that. Seriously, I never played beyond JV basketball - I couldn't make the varsity. We saw that one-hand pass throughout Jagan’s career, so obviously it is not discouraged enough by the staff. How can a player do something in a game that he doesn’t do in practice? Practice should be stopped every time a player tries that crap.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2021 21:55:05 GMT -5
Yes he did but he will still get roasted here because he is a role player and not the go-to guy people want. Put him with a pg who can shoot and distrusted and his value increases. Just don’t expect him to takeover games. As the dear departed Glide would say: "Floor general!" We love you Glide!
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 9, 2021 21:56:23 GMT -5
One would think basketball players would have been receiving this instruction on fundamentals since, say, about middle school. I'm serious. For example, both Blair and Carey have tried that one-handed whip it pass - do they think it looks cool? I really don't know but it certainly isn't effective. You play defense with your feet, not your hands - move your feet. Things like that. Seriously, I never played beyond JV basketball - I couldn't make the varsity. We saw that one-hand pass throughout Jagan’s career, so obviously it is not discouraged enough by the staff. How can a player do something in a game that he doesn’t do in practice? Practice should be stopped every time a player tries that crap. Reminds of that clip of Ewing yelling at Derrickson, "Do you do that in practice?" about his one legged fall away Dirk Nowitzki jumper.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2021 21:57:41 GMT -5
I think you're being ridiculous! I'm sure they've had plenty of basic teaching. It doesn't matter when you can't or don't execute, retain what was taught when under pressure. The idea of practice and repetition is that it becomes second nature to you so that you don't have to THINK about it when under pressure. The best example of this is if you've ever served in the military you know the great majority of your time is in training so that you do perform when under pressure. It becomes instinctual. The problem though is if you have sixteen years of bad habits, it's much harder to change those habits to good habits or IQ. This is why it was impossible to improve Lubick's or Jeremiah Rivers' shot. In fact Lubick's shot somehow got even worse as he was psychologically afraid to shoot from outside his junior and senior year. Can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 9, 2021 21:57:48 GMT -5
One would think basketball players would have been receiving this instruction on fundamentals since, say, about middle school. I'm serious. For example, both Blair and Carey have tried that one-handed whip it pass - do they think it looks cool? I really don't know but it certainly isn't effective. You play defense with your feet, not your hands - move your feet. Things like that. Seriously, I never played beyond JV basketball - I couldn't make the varsity. We saw that one-hand pass throughout Jagan’s career, so obviously it is not discouraged enough by the staff. How can a player do something in a game that he doesn’t do in practice? Practice should be stopped every time a player tries that crap. Things seem to have changed quite a bit from the time Derrickson was chewed out for taking a shot that he didn’t take in practice.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2021 21:58:49 GMT -5
Harris has really disappeared Yup. Teams have a scouting report on him and have him figured out. He's actually a minus right now IMO. Might not be a bad idea to give his minutes to Berger.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 9, 2021 21:59:11 GMT -5
The idea of practice and repetition is that it becomes second nature to you so that you don't have to THINK about it when under pressure. The best example of this is if you've ever served in the military you know the great majority of your time is in training so that you do perform when under pressure. It becomes instinctual. The problem though is if you have sixteen years of bad habits, it's much harder to change those habits to good habits or IQ. This is why it was impossible to improve Lubick's or Jeremiah Rivers' shot. In fact Lubick's shot somehow got even worse as he was psychologically afraid to shoot from outside his junior and senior year. Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Hard but not impossible. And that is what separates the good coaches/teachers from the bad ones.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 9, 2021 22:00:14 GMT -5
As the dear departed Glide would say: "Floor general!" What happened to Qudus in the second half? Likely the same reason Ighoefe did not see the floor. Against that zone you need a big who is a threat to shoot or pass from the top of the key. Some of the lineups late in the game, while better offensively, clearly suffered against break outs as there were at least 2 where nobody seemed to know which guy to pick up.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 9, 2021 22:01:11 GMT -5
I think you're being ridiculous! I'm sure they've had plenty of basic teaching. It doesn't matter when you can't or don't execute, retain what was taught when under pressure. The idea of practice and repetition is that it becomes second nature to you so that you don't have to THINK about it when under pressure. The best example of this is if you've ever served in the military you know the great majority of your time is in training so that you do perform when under pressure. It becomes instinctual. I think that speaks to the talent receiving the training and why there are 1st string, 2nd string, and bench warmers. It takes talent, understanding, and the ability to operate under pressure. Some have it, and some don"t. Unfortunately we have several who cannot. Almost. But not quite there. There are quality levels in the military too all the way up the ladder!
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2021 22:01:17 GMT -5
Decent effort, but bad turnovers when it counted, and Blair consistently makes mistakes toward the end of games.We could end the season with a horrible record. Where is our urgency and poise? ? I mean he's always been sloppy in crunch time. He just has lapses in concentration. That's not gonna really change. I think he'd be a really good 3rd or 4th guard right now but is asked to be the man because we have nobody else.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2021 22:02:17 GMT -5
The problem though is if you have sixteen years of bad habits, it's much harder to change those habits to good habits or IQ. This is why it was impossible to improve Lubick's or Jeremiah Rivers' shot. In fact Lubick's shot somehow got even worse as he was psychologically afraid to shoot from outside his junior and senior year. Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Hard but not impossible. And that is what separates the good coaches/teachers from the bad ones. Very hard Double97. Better to have someone with good habits or a clean slate rather than years of bad habits and low bb iq.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 9, 2021 22:02:18 GMT -5
The idea of practice and repetition is that it becomes second nature to you so that you don't have to THINK about it when under pressure. The best example of this is if you've ever served in the military you know the great majority of your time is in training so that you do perform when under pressure. It becomes instinctual. The problem though is if you have sixteen years of bad habits, it's much harder to change those habits to good habits or IQ. This is why it was impossible to improve Lubick's or Jeremiah Rivers' shot. In fact Lubick's shot somehow got even worse as he was psychologically afraid to shoot from outside his junior and senior year. Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Then we have to accept that the players have not had good coaching since elementary school? Which actually may be possible with AAU bad habits ingrained in lots of them, I guess.. Lubick was a coach's son so don't know why his shooting was so deficient. That's practice setting aside the psychological aspect.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 9, 2021 22:02:18 GMT -5
As the dear departed Glide would say: "Floor general!" We love you Glide!
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 9, 2021 22:03:47 GMT -5
One would think basketball players would have been receiving this instruction on fundamentals since, say, about middle school. I'm serious. For example, both Blair and Carey have tried that one-handed whip it pass - do they think it looks cool? I really don't know but it certainly isn't effective. You play defense with your feet, not your hands - move your feet. Things like that. Seriously, I never played beyond JV basketball - I couldn't make the varsity. We saw that one-hand pass throughout Jagan’s career, so obviously it is not discouraged enough by the staff. How can a player do something in a game that he doesn’t do in practice? Practice should be stopped every time a player tries that crap. Jagan played for JTIII and Ewing. There is such a thing as a baseball pass. But that hook pass is ridiculous!!!
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2021 22:04:13 GMT -5
What happened to Qudus in the second half? Likely the same reason Ighoefe did not see the floor. Against that zone you need a big who is a threat to shoot or pass from the top of the key. Some of the lineups late in the game, while better offensively, clearly suffered against break outs as there were at least 2 where nobody seemed to know which guy to pick up. I still would have put in Igoehefe. Syracuse had nobody who could challenge him in the paint on defense or offensively with o rebounding.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 9, 2021 22:04:14 GMT -5
The idea of practice and repetition is that it becomes second nature to you so that you don't have to THINK about it when under pressure. The best example of this is if you've ever served in the military you know the great majority of your time is in training so that you do perform when under pressure. It becomes instinctual. I think that speaks to the talent receiving the training and why there are 1st string, 2nd string, and bench warmers. It takes talent, understanding, and the ability to operate under pressure. Some have it, and some don"t. Unfortunately we have several who cannot. Almost. But not quite there. There are quality levels in the military too all the way up the ladder! True and I must assume Ewing has the ability to distinguish between those who have the good fundamentals and those who do not. I assume that Berger does (coach's son) but perhaps more physically limited.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 9, 2021 22:05:25 GMT -5
Hard but not impossible. And that is what separates the good coaches/teachers from the bad ones. Very hard Double97. Better to have someone with good habits or a clean slate rather than years of bad habits and low bb iq. So you think these guys come into college fully (or mostly) formed and there is little that coaches can do to help them improve?
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 9, 2021 22:06:02 GMT -5
We saw that one-hand pass throughout Jagan’s career, so obviously it is not discouraged enough by the staff. How can a player do something in a game that he doesn’t do in practice? Practice should be stopped every time a player tries that crap. Jagan played for JTIII and Ewing. There is such a thing as a baseball pass. Yes, but I recall one handed bounce passes and the whip it to the corner which is not a proper "baseball pass" IMO. The "baseball pass" to my mind is down the court, in a break, for example. But even a Wes Unseld would still whip it down court on a break after a rebound with two handed overhead pass.
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Post by hsaxon on Jan 9, 2021 22:07:55 GMT -5
Likely the same reason Ighoefe did not see the floor. Against that zone you need a big who is a threat to shoot or pass from the top of the key. Some of the lineups late in the game, while better offensively, clearly suffered against break outs as there were at least 2 where nobody seemed to know which guy to pick up. Thank you, Dan.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 9, 2021 22:11:56 GMT -5
I think that speaks to the talent receiving the training and why there are 1st string, 2nd string, and bench warmers. It takes talent, understanding, and the ability to operate under pressure. Some have it, and some don"t. Unfortunately we have several who cannot. Almost. But not quite there. There are quality levels in the military too all the way up the ladder! True and I must assume Ewing has the ability to distinguish between those who have the good fundamentals and those who do not. I assume that Berger does (coach's son) but perhaps more physically limited. I think Berger and Clark deserve more time. All players need time and experience working through mistakes. Our best players are still making silly mistakes, but they are our best players and give us contributions that others on the team cannot. This was not a terrible game. Lots of players played. But we could not get over the hump. Sad!
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