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Post by prhoya on Dec 11, 2020 23:51:34 GMT -5
We only shot 4 FTs (but Tim and Qudus made them) all game at home!! Jay Wright does work those refs.
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Post by novachap on Dec 12, 2020 0:06:40 GMT -5
The injured players, Bryan Antoine and Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree, prob projected as the 6th and 8th men. A loss, but definitely not two of our best players As an impartial observer, what is the Nova fan’s take on this Hoya team? What was your confidence level in coming back to win at half? Going in, I was very confident. Clearly the first half changed that! Nova was slow reacting on D, couldn't buy a bucket and you guys were lightning us up. I will say, there appears to be more talent on the floor than the past few years, for sure. Team's length was impressive and killed nova inside and on the boards. Obviously, adjustments were made and shots started going in- led to game over. First half showed me you guys have plenty of scorers, good outside shooters and really strong inside. Honestly, fwiw, i think you guys are closer than the record shows.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 12, 2020 0:51:55 GMT -5
In the second half we, as some already said, lost focus. We seem to lack energy. We were missing shots and not closing out quickly. In my opinion,the first half was our best this season. We've got a long way to go but we are moving forward.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 12, 2020 1:40:05 GMT -5
Although disappointing loss in the end, the first half was a good building stone. Hopefully Ewing learned something too. Jalen, I am sure is a good kid and I am thankful that he came to the Hoyas when Ewing was trying to rebuild a roster decimated by transfers, but he is not a starting BE guard. He is a role player at best who should be limited in his minutes. Dante is young and will make a lot of mistakes but has shown he has the skills to develop into a BE pg. Someone said earlier in the thread that if Allen was on this team it would be a tournament team. I think that is a little too much hyperbole, but he would definitely make this team competitive with any BE team. The off guard position manned by Cary should be looked at also. He is supposed to be a scorer but passes up too many open looks and he is not a good defender. If Kobe Clark is healthy he should take a lot if not most of his minutes. Right now Cary has a better stroke than Kobe, but what good is a good looking jump shot if you don't take but 2 or 3 shots a half. Bile hashed his raw moments , but I attribute a lot of that being his PG Jalen not able to get the ball to him in order for him to make good decisions.
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Post by hoyaroc on Dec 12, 2020 3:12:26 GMT -5
Just re-watched game and it was very competitive in the second half until the 4 minute mark. Coaches and players need to learn from this moment and get better. We matched up well against Villanova but they know how to win and close out a game. Let’s go Hoyas!
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 12, 2020 5:40:38 GMT -5
That was the best half of basketball that I've seen Georgetown play in what seems like an eternity followed up by arguably the worst. Literally a tale of two halves.
I am not going to waste time talking about moral victories from this game because at this stage I don't care about that. Instead what I will point out is that this team proved it can compete against anyone. Some may ask why is that any different than previous years and my response is that the Hoyas haven't come into a season looked so down upon like this in decades, perhaps way back into the 1970s. In some ways it is surprising that a team thrown together like this with little time for the players to get familiar with one another and for the coaches to get familiar with them, could put up a first half of basketball like this against a really quality team such as Villanova. Now that this particular squad knows its capable of not just going toe-to-toe with an elite opponent but dominating it for nearly 20 minutes, the question becomes where it goes from there. Is it going to keep settling for competing but falling short or is it ready and mentally strong enough to take down some Goliaths this season?
By the way I did not watch the game live because Friday is often Netflix Movie Night with the family. Therefore I knew the final score before seeing the game. If someone had told me the Hoyas would score 40 plus points in the first half, be up by 18 and lead Nova by 13 going into halftime I would have bet my paycheck they would have won in the end. Luckily I was never in a position to make such a wager. How did they lose this game? Actually one reason for the loss was something I mentioned as being key to a victory: playing good offense in BOTH halves. That second half was an eyesore.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 12, 2020 6:00:59 GMT -5
Good teams/coaches make adjustments and close out games. The team could finish better than last in the league though, perhaps somewhere between 8-10. If we don’t play the freshmen more this season, we will pay for it next season when we will be young. We lose the grad transfers and seniors. We could be picked last again in the league at the start of next season.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 12, 2020 6:20:49 GMT -5
Good teams/coaches make adjustments and close out games. The team could finish better than last in the league though, perhaps somewhere between 8-10. If we don’t play the freshmen more this season, we will pay for it next season when we will be young. We lose the grad transfers and seniors. We could be picked last again in the league at the start of next season. What was the point of bringing in all of the grad recruits if you guys want them benched?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 12, 2020 6:41:28 GMT -5
Not saying the grad transfers shouldn’t play. Just saying the freshman need minutes to grow.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 12, 2020 7:52:16 GMT -5
Good teams/coaches make adjustments and close out games. The team could finish better than last in the league though, perhaps somewhere between 8-10. If we don’t play the freshmen more this season, we will pay for it next season when we will be young. We lose the grad transfers and seniors. We could be picked last again in the league at the start of next season. What was the point of bringing in all of the grad recruits if you guys want them benched? If Jalen Harris played like Terrell Allen, we wouldn’t want him benched. —- and Terrell Allen would have been a bench player without the player defections. Jalen Harris is a low major player.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 12, 2020 8:02:47 GMT -5
Good teams/coaches make adjustments and close out games. The team could finish better than last in the league though, perhaps somewhere between 8-10. If we don’t play the freshmen more this season, we will pay for it next season when we will be young. We lose the grad transfers and seniors. We could be picked last again in the league at the start of next season. What was the point of bringing in all of the grad recruits if you guys want them benched? Oversimplifying a bit, but the point was we simply were desperate for guys just a reach a reasonable roster size after all the players we lost during and after last season. At the outset, with no off season and limited practice time, I was fine deferring to the guys who had experience playing college basketball. We’re now 5 games in and it’s blatantly obvious why J Harris is on his third team in 5 years, and Carey and Bile came from low major programs: they’re just not very good and probably don’t belong in the Big East. Carey and J Harris combined for 56 minutes last night and shot a combined 3-11 for 8 points and 4 TOs from Harris.That’s not even close to good enough. J Harris has been especially bad and he’s actively hurting the team on both end when he plays. The minutes distribution at PG needs to be 27 for D Harris and 13 for J Harris, not the other way around as it was last night. Bile is an absolute chucker who seems to lack an understanding of what we can and can’t do at this level. Admittedly he brings a little more to the table than the other two but he’s kind of a black hole when he gets the ball. He also managed to rack up 5 fouls in 17 mins. Overall, I understand why Ewing would defer to them at the outset, but at this point I think it’s abundantly clear that they’re not significantly better than some of the freshmen to justify all the playing time. I understand Ewing wants to win games (as we all do) but there also needs to be some eye toward the future as well. The disappointing part is that I think we’ve seen some of the freshmen actually give us a better chance to win now AND in the future and he still doesn’t see it. That’s frustrating.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 12, 2020 8:15:09 GMT -5
After another gut-wrenching loss, and the depression that comes with each, I am still struggling to focus on that silver lining that this team showed it can play a very good half against an overrated Nova team that was missing a couple of rotation players.
Happy with Pickett's play on both ends, though I fully expect some will find fault.
Wright showed his coaching skills in playing Blair tight throughout to make certain he had few, if any, open looks.
Senior transfers--two are often out of control and the third often invisible. Still have hope that Bile will adapt to the flow of the game and not force it, but Ewing needs a much shorter leash on Harris, who should not be allowed to have such long stretches of imploding before taken out and calmed down. When your PG cannot shoot and cannot play defense any ball distribution is of much less value. Other teams are already playing 5 on 4 when we are on offense. Carey--the stroke is there, but not enough open shots and the defense is spotty at best. Has to contribute more to justify his minutes. Still seems lost in this offense.
Freshmen--willing to take all the growing pains with D Harris and don't mind as much the mental errors if he is gaining experience. Hell we watched McClung and Akinjo kill the team with mistakes as they developed as Freshmen and never get pulled. Put D. Harris in at least as much as the senior Harris. He is short and not a great defender, but his confidence is growing and he is a threat to score--or at least shoot. Happy to see Sibley get some time against a quality opponent--he will get more comfortable out there. Need to see what Clarke can bring. Berger? Shooter on the bench cannot help in games when you are trying to catch up. Maybe try and see if he can help for short stretches and get a few open looks. This team needs shooters. If the freshmen don't play we are starting over again next year--I am sick of Groundhog Day seasons.
Posts--where is the development? Some growth on defense. Both have nice strokes at the FT line, but in the flow of the game each has exactly one move. Shooting around 50% from 3 feet is not going to cut it. Wahab with only 2 fouls but only 5 rebounds--same as Bile, half of Pickett. Playing for one of the greatest posts of all time (though he was much more athletic and mostly a defensive specialist to begin with), I expected more development by now.
Ewing--Same old mixed bag. First half--this guy can coach. Second half--can this guy coach? Not blaming him for lack of effort in trying to stem the collapse and certainly not yet ready to give up hope, but again question the use of the PG and the seeming inability to run plays to counter Nova and get some open shots for Blair and Pickett or to find a way to get Carey into the offense. Coach has to find a way to stop the bleeding--and no it does not matter that there is a lack of talent on the team. He recruited the team and there was enough talent to go head to head with WVU and Nova for 30 minutes, so that excuse needs to be forgotten.
Sunday against an improved St. Johns and memories of one of last season's collapses.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 12, 2020 8:48:33 GMT -5
I watched Nova players moving without the ball and making the extra pass for an open three. I wish would do more of that. Their PG isn’t super fast or athletic, but so poised and can shoot when left open.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 12, 2020 9:11:19 GMT -5
Although disappointing loss in the end, the first half was a good building stone. Hopefully Ewing learned something too. Jalen, I am sure is a good kid and I am thankful that he came to the Hoyas when Ewing was trying to rebuild a roster decimated by transfers, but he is not a starting BE guard. He is a role player at best who should be limited in his minutes. Dante is young and will make a lot of mistakes but has shown he has the skills to develop into a BE pg. Someone said earlier in the thread that if Allen was on this team it would be a tournament team. I think that is a little too much hyperbole, but he would definitely make this team competitive with any BE team. The off guard position manned by Cary should be looked at also. He is supposed to be a scorer but passes up too many open looks and he is not a good defender. If Kobe Clark is healthy he should take a lot if not most of his minutes. Right now Cary has a better stroke than Kobe, but what good is a good looking jump shot if you don't take but 2 or 3 shots a half. Bile hashed his raw moments , but I attribute a lot of that being his PG Jalen not able to get the ball to him in order for him to make good decisions. I agree, I think Cary should be more assertive offensively. He has a stroke; can he take it to the basket? If so he should!
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 12, 2020 9:13:59 GMT -5
Our ability to blow leads grossly outpaces our ability to come back in games where we get ourselves down early. Unfortunately as others have pointed out, it’s a culture of losing and lack of experience in winning that permeates the entire program. It’s not just Ewing and not just the players, it’s a shared effort that shows we often aren’t able to adjust or execute once things turn.
I think our PG situation has had a lot to do with that, and short of the great play we got from Allen last year (who was gassed by the end of the season) we haven’t had the on floor general who could either right the ship when these other teams go on these epic runs, or guide us back when we get down a bunch early.
I am hopeful some combination of Dante Harris and Beard is able to stabilize the position in the coming years, but for now we have a definite issue that is bound to lead to more results like last night.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 12, 2020 9:26:00 GMT -5
What was the point of bringing in all of the grad recruits if you guys want them benched? If Jalen Harris played like Terrell Allen, we wouldn’t want him benched. —- and Terrell Allen would have been a bench player without the player defections. Jalen Harris is a low major player. I think Terrell Allen would have played alot even if Akinjo hadn't of left. I think by Big East and tournament play we would have gone alot of 3 guard sets with Terrell, Akinjo and Mac in at the same time.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 12, 2020 9:26:45 GMT -5
You only need to land a solid PG once every three years.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 12, 2020 9:26:50 GMT -5
I believe many were concerned about the point guard position. Dante had good press. And references. He is demonstrating that it wasn't just hype. He has found the range on his jump shot and is generally playing within himself and the team concept. He is also trying to feed the post. The team has to be sharper about getting the ball inside.
The first half delighted me. The second half shocked me that we would allow such a turnaround and lose. We are better than many anticipated. But fragile enough to fall apart. We need more resilience and better use of the tools in the toolkit. We have to keep improving. I would like to see Malcolm get a few minutes too. He can block shots...Igoeffe is holding back trying not to make mistakes in offense. I was shocked he missed that tippy-toe dunk! Smash it in, use the power you have! Keep getting better Hoyas...SOON!
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Post by mapei on Dec 12, 2020 10:21:36 GMT -5
I keep coming back to this quote, which I really hope was taken out of context. I don't blame Patrick entirely for last night's loss, but 3-point defense has been a glaring weakness for the last three years. It's hard to imagine allowing teams - especially Villanova, known for great 3-point shooting - to take those shots at will.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 12, 2020 10:26:10 GMT -5
The first about 18:30 went absolutely perfectly. That went as well as possible. We were hitting shots and they just weren't. Then they started to hit in the last minute and a half. If I remember correctly, Daniels hit one, we missed a couple of shots, they made a shot inside, and then Samuels hit that shot that didn't count. Still, they started getting good looks and controlled the tempo. That's just what great teams do. That's just the talent discrepancy. Overall though, an excellent half. Then, the second half happened. That was a disaster. Wright adjusted and we just didn't. We couldn't adjust and the offense looked so much more stagnant. No movement and the guys just missed some shots. They ended up putting Swider on Q, which looked like it worked better, but they were doing a lot to prevent a catch from Q. The skip pass was open. This and Jalen Harris and Bile just played too much. Bile was not great today and he made some mistakes, and Dante Harris was just much better than Jalen. I don't think the difference between Dante and Jalen is as big as some seem to think it is, though I am confident that Dante should be starting. And again, the Tim-Bile lineup DOESN'T WORK. UGH. Then since the offense became so stagnant, we relies on iso ball late. And, nobody on this team is a great shot creator, so that's just not going to work well. Blair made a couple of plays, as did Jamorko, but iso ball won't yield results with this team. We have to keep running our offense and we need our half-court offense to improve. It has not been great this year and I think putting Dante in more and giving us someone who is a threat to pull up from anywhere and hit an open three would help our offense in the half-court a ton. Dante might be our best shot creator. We need him to create some shots for himself. If we can develop him, Dante could be a stud in a year or two. As for the defense, it looked like we brought back the hard hedge and once Wright adjusted to it, they were scoring much more consistently. There are many teams that you can let shoot and pack it in on, but Villanova is absolutely not that team. We let Gillespie get hot by over-rotating on him (one was the scheme, I think one or two were on Harris) and that's just a death sentence. We let Nova control the tempo. We relied too much on iso ball on the other end and allowed Nova to get into a rhythm. They were getting looks in transition and we just let Nova take too many open threes. We just couldn't adjust. The hard hedge on the 1-5 screen just doesn't work. On the 1-4 screen, I trust our rim protection from our bigs enough. Just don't make the guards rotate. Leaving Gillespie or Daniels is just a death sentence. They will hit open shots and you will lose. You have to make sure those guys always have someone on them. Leaving them open and letting them shoot a combined 10-16 from deep is not acceptable. From my count, they combined at 6/7 from three in the second half. They hit four during their big run to tie the game. That's just embarrassing. I don't think one of those seven was contested. Those were all in rhythm. You have to run those guys off the line. If Samuels beats you, we absolutely live with that. That second half was just awful. They beat us by 26 in that second half. They tied that game almost immediately. You can't let them get open threes consistently. As for some positives, Dante Harris looked really comfortable. The Coppin State game seems to have given him so much more confidence which just makes that result so much better. Let's give him some more time!! We also did a very solid job on JRE. He's an NBA player and him leaving this game with 9 on 33% shooting is very good. If that was why we over-rotated it's probably not worth it, but that's an objectively good result. Jamorko has looked much better in the past four halves. He's rebounding well (our small-ball lineup is infinitely better than a Bile-Tim lineup, please use that more Coach) and he's shooting it really well. We also looked very good in a half where Blair was not on. If we can play well when Blair isn't scoring, that's going to be very helpful for our team's future. Negatives are really our three-point defense and just the second half. Our offense was so much more stagnant in that second half. That's not how Ewing has run his offense. And it seems our only inbound play is a screen/double screen for Blair in the short corner. I'd very much appreciate another play. Because once Wright realized that, they trapped Blair and that led to a poke out and possibly a TO, if I remember correctly. We need something else there. Overall, I can't be too upset because Nova is just so much more talented. Daniels and JRE will be NBA players at some point. Moore probably will be too and whenever Antoine can fully recover, he'll probably join them. Still, Nova is just more talented. Because of that, I can't blame this loss solely on Ewing. I don't like the quote he had postgame on letting Nova shoot 40 threes, (especially with how many Gillespie and Daniels took, if JRE, Slater, Samuels, and Dixon took 40, that's different), but the first half went super well, so I can't blame Coach. I wish he would've adjusted more, but some of that is on Jalen for just not rotating. I would like to see Dante more, and I think Coach will give us more Dante next game. And the guys made the wrong reads a couple of times. We didn't need to force it into the post and they just missed shots and got tentative. I don't think this was a coaching loss, though I would like to see some things change a bit. Overall though, if someone told me before the game that we'd lose by 13, I wouldn't be too angry. Just hated the way it happened. That second half was draining. But, a quick turnaround here and again, please play Dante more. Great post and synopsis of the game. Wright clearly out-adjusted Pat in half time but it makes me thing, how many adjustments CAN Pat make. While he has this team playing better and the 1st half they really bought in, it is still a bunch of limited players who don't have a ton of practice time together (no matter what the advanced age analytics say). When Jay Wright tells his team to up the defensive pressure, they know how to do it as a team. When he tells his guys they need to take (and make) more threes, they know how to get those shots. When he tells his forwards to prevent the inlet to our big, they know how to execute. For everyone blaming Pat, what adjustments (outside of "sit Jalen and Bile" do you expect? Really the only one that would have been a quality chess move would have been to go to our small lineup: a smaller lineup could have moved the ball quicker to negate their pressure and if they front whoever was down on the post we could have done more but then again that could have also backfired. In the end we had a good game plan, came out and smacked the #9 team in the nation in the mouth, made Jay Wright look like a bum but he is an experienced, National Championship winning coach with a team that he has fully molded and he made the right adjustments. Also, how did we only get 4 FTs the whole game. That is the Jay Wright affect but we also don't have those guys that drive to the hoop to draw fouls from a team like this. Against our current roster, they just handcheck and body up all game long and the refs just can't call everything so they stop calling minor stuff. Finally, we need to do an analysis on the McDonough Dome effect. It seems like the sightlines are vastly different on the opposite ends of the court and one is clearly better then the other. Both teams shot well on the home side (where we started the 1st) and pretty terrible on the away side (where we shot in the 2nd). Our terrible was just so terrible. But as said in the game thread (I think it was HoyainLA), we really need to learn how to take advantage of this, home court advantage is usually in reference to fans but this can truly be a game winning advantage.
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