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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 11, 2020 22:17:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure I would go 100% on Ewing being outcoached. The players stopped executing the offense and forced/rushed more shots against a more aggressive defense in the second half - that played at least an equal role. ^this^.... Q, Bile, Morko and Dante all missed easy layups or short shots when the game was still within 5pts. Q and Morko missed easy shots when we were still in the lead....I don't expect our players to shoot 100% but Nova players came up big while our players are still learning to win...you can't put all this on Ewing. Signed in just to "like" this post from hoyazeke. No Hoyas made any clutch plays down the stretch. The game was there for the taking with 5 min to play and every Hoya came up short. Nova players made plays and won the game. Pretty simple.
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Post by LetsGoNova on Dec 11, 2020 22:17:52 GMT -5
Villanova was playing missing two of its best players who were out injured. Checked the box against Texas and the top six were the same. It looked like their 2-3 best players were on the floor tonight at a minimum. The injured players, Bryan Antoine and Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree, prob projected as the 6th and 8th men. A loss, but definitely not two of our best players
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 11, 2020 22:30:55 GMT -5
Why can’t other teams defend us like that? I have a pretty good guess.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 11, 2020 22:30:59 GMT -5
Checked the box against Texas and the top six were the same. It looked like their 2-3 best players were on the floor tonight at a minimum. The injured players, Bryan Antoine and Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree, prob projected as the 6th and 8th men. A loss, but definitely not two of our best players Antoine was ranked #16 (2019) out of high school, but he’s had bad luck. Cosby (#74 in 2017) has been a great role/ big player for Wright.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 11, 2020 22:35:38 GMT -5
Checked the box against Texas and the top six were the same. It looked like their 2-3 best players were on the floor tonight at a minimum. The injured players, Bryan Antoine and Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree, prob projected as the 6th and 8th men. A loss, but definitely not two of our best players As an impartial observer, what is the Nova fan’s take on this Hoya team? What was your confidence level in coming back to win at half?
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 11, 2020 22:36:33 GMT -5
The injured players, Bryan Antoine and Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree, prob projected as the 6th and 8th men. A loss, but definitely not two of our best players Antoine was ranked #16 (2019) out of high school, but he’s had bad luck. Cosby has been a great role player for Wright. So two of their best players? Hardly.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 11, 2020 22:39:02 GMT -5
Antoine was ranked #16 (2019) out of high school, but he’s had bad luck. Cosby has been a great role player for Wright. So two of their best players? Hardly. Jury’s still out. I would want them on our team.
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 11, 2020 22:43:16 GMT -5
So two of their best players? Hardly. Jury’s still out. I would want them on our team. If the idea is to suggest their absence was a factor in the result, that's a miss. The NoveFan has it right as I'd expect.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 11, 2020 22:50:36 GMT -5
Jury’s still out. I would want them on our team. If the idea is to suggest their absence was a factor in the result, that's a miss. The NoveFan has it right as I'd expect. We will see in the second semester. Let me put it this way: after having watched Cosby-Roundtree body our post players the last few years, I hope we don’t face them when we play Villanova again.
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Post by mdtd on Dec 11, 2020 23:01:55 GMT -5
The first about 18:30 went absolutely perfectly. That went as well as possible. We were hitting shots and they just weren't.
Then they started to hit in the last minute and a half. If I remember correctly, Daniels hit one, we missed a couple of shots, they made a shot inside, and then Samuels hit that shot that didn't count. Still, they started getting good looks and controlled the tempo. That's just what great teams do. That's just the talent discrepancy. Overall though, an excellent half.
Then, the second half happened. That was a disaster. Wright adjusted and we just didn't. We couldn't adjust and the offense looked so much more stagnant. No movement and the guys just missed some shots. They ended up putting Swider on Q, which looked like it worked better, but they were doing a lot to prevent a catch from Q. The skip pass was open. This and Jalen Harris and Bile just played too much. Bile was not great today and he made some mistakes, and Dante Harris was just much better than Jalen. I don't think the difference between Dante and Jalen is as big as some seem to think it is, though I am confident that Dante should be starting. And again, the Tim-Bile lineup DOESN'T WORK. UGH. Then since the offense became so stagnant, we relies on iso ball late. And, nobody on this team is a great shot creator, so that's just not going to work well. Blair made a couple of plays, as did Jamorko, but iso ball won't yield results with this team. We have to keep running our offense and we need our half-court offense to improve. It has not been great this year and I think putting Dante in more and giving us someone who is a threat to pull up from anywhere and hit an open three would help our offense in the half-court a ton. Dante might be our best shot creator. We need him to create some shots for himself. If we can develop him, Dante could be a stud in a year or two.
As for the defense, it looked like we brought back the hard hedge and once Wright adjusted to it, they were scoring much more consistently. There are many teams that you can let shoot and pack it in on, but Villanova is absolutely not that team. We let Gillespie get hot by over-rotating on him (one was the scheme, I think one or two were on Harris) and that's just a death sentence. We let Nova control the tempo. We relied too much on iso ball on the other end and allowed Nova to get into a rhythm. They were getting looks in transition and we just let Nova take too many open threes. We just couldn't adjust. The hard hedge on the 1-5 screen just doesn't work. On the 1-4 screen, I trust our rim protection from our bigs enough. Just don't make the guards rotate. Leaving Gillespie or Daniels is just a death sentence. They will hit open shots and you will lose. You have to make sure those guys always have someone on them. Leaving them open and letting them shoot a combined 10-16 from deep is not acceptable. From my count, they combined at 6/7 from three in the second half. They hit four during their big run to tie the game. That's just embarrassing. I don't think one of those seven was contested. Those were all in rhythm. You have to run those guys off the line. If Samuels beats you, we absolutely live with that.
That second half was just awful. They beat us by 26 in that second half. They tied that game almost immediately. You can't let them get open threes consistently.
As for some positives, Dante Harris looked really comfortable. The Coppin State game seems to have given him so much more confidence which just makes that result so much better. Let's give him some more time!! We also did a very solid job on JRE. He's an NBA player and him leaving this game with 9 on 33% shooting is very good. If that was why we over-rotated it's probably not worth it, but that's an objectively good result. Jamorko has looked much better in the past four halves. He's rebounding well (our small-ball lineup is infinitely better than a Bile-Tim lineup, please use that more Coach) and he's shooting it really well. We also looked very good in a half where Blair was not on. If we can play well when Blair isn't scoring, that's going to be very helpful for our team's future.
Negatives are really our three-point defense and just the second half. Our offense was so much more stagnant in that second half. That's not how Ewing has run his offense. And it seems our only inbound play is a screen/double screen for Blair in the short corner. I'd very much appreciate another play. Because once Wright realized that, they trapped Blair and that led to a poke out and possibly a TO, if I remember correctly. We need something else there.
Overall, I can't be too upset because Nova is just so much more talented. Daniels and JRE will be NBA players at some point. Moore probably will be too and whenever Antoine can fully recover, he'll probably join them. Still, Nova is just more talented. Because of that, I can't blame this loss solely on Ewing. I don't like the quote he had postgame on letting Nova shoot 40 threes, (especially with how many Gillespie and Daniels took, if JRE, Slater, Samuels, and Dixon took 40, that's different), but the first half went super well, so I can't blame Coach. I wish he would've adjusted more, but some of that is on Jalen for just not rotating. I would like to see Dante more, and I think Coach will give us more Dante next game. And the guys made the wrong reads a couple of times. We didn't need to force it into the post and they just missed shots and got tentative. I don't think this was a coaching loss, though I would like to see some things change a bit. Overall though, if someone told me before the game that we'd lose by 13, I wouldn't be too angry. Just hated the way it happened. That second half was draining. But, a quick turnaround here and again, please play Dante more.
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Post by LetsGoNova on Dec 11, 2020 23:02:35 GMT -5
The injured players, Bryan Antoine and Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree, prob projected as the 6th and 8th men. A loss, but definitely not two of our best players As an impartial observer, what is the Nova fan’s take on this Hoya team? What was your confidence level in coming back to win at half? Honestly, I wasn’t especially worried, even in the first half. Y’all were shooting really well and we were listless, but Gillespie and co weren’t going to let that continue. Wright made some good adjustments, and this team (this program, really) knows how to win. They aren’t going to get rattled. I thought the Hoyas looked markedly better than last year. Akinjo and macclung did nothing for me in terms of making a team better. Like your current group a lot more. They’ve got to learn how to win, something that takes a while. Wahab is gonna be special, Pickett is a pro. I just don’t think Ewing has the goods.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 11, 2020 23:04:08 GMT -5
I just finished watching the game and have not had time to read through the thread, so this may be redundant but -
Winners win and losers lose. Right now our program has an atmosphere of losing. I am not trying to run down the guys on the team, it is just the way it is. You need to develop a mindset and an atmosphere of a winner. Nova had confidence and patience the second half. We were pressing the entire second half. Wahab front-rimmed pretty much everything. Nova tightened up on Pickett and Blair. Our point guards made mistake after mistake. It takes time to be prepared to win, to expect to win.
The next few weeks will tell us whether this program can develop a winning atmosphere.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 11, 2020 23:04:16 GMT -5
Definitely play Dante. The other Harris hurts us. That said, none of our new guys are factors, except potentially Dante. Would like Berger to get a chance. We looked awful when it counted. Yes, it sure seemed like Ewing was badly out-coached. Both Harris' were awful in the 2nd half. They need to get better because they control who will touch the ball.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 11, 2020 23:07:50 GMT -5
I just finished watching the game and have not had time to read through the thread, so this may be redundant but - Winners win and losets lose. Right now our program has an atmosphere of losing. I am not trying to run down the guys on the team, it is just the way it is. You need to develop a mindset and an atmosphere of a winner. Nova had confidence and patience the second half. We were pressing the entire second half. Wahab front-rimmed pretty much everything. Nova tightened up on Pickett and Blair. Our point guards made mistake after mistake. It takes time to be prepared to win, to expect to win. The next few weeks will tell us whether this program can develop a winning atmosphere. This is it. Both Jalen and Dante tightened up and there mistakes sealed the game like in the West Virginia game. They need to improve or we will have a tough time closing out close games.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 11, 2020 23:09:47 GMT -5
The first about 18:30 went absolutely perfectly. That went as well as possible. We were hitting shots and they just weren't. Then they started to hit in the last minute and a half. If I remember correctly, Daniels hit one, we missed a couple of shots, they made a shot inside, and then Samuels hit that shot that didn't count. Still, they started getting good looks and controlled the tempo. That's just what great teams do. That's just the talent discrepancy. Overall though, an excellent half. Then, the second half happened. That was a disaster. Wright adjusted and we just didn't. We couldn't adjust and the offense looked so much more stagnant. No movement and the guys just missed some shots. They ended up putting Swider on Q, which looked like it worked better, but they were doing a lot to prevent a catch from Q. The skip pass was open. This and Jalen Harris and Bile just played too much. Bile was not great today and he made some mistakes, and Dante Harris was just much better than Jalen. I don't think the difference between Dante and Jalen is as big as some seem to think it is, though I am confident that Dante should be starting. And again, the Tim-Bile lineup DOESN'T WORK. UGH. Then since the offense became so stagnant, we relies on iso ball late. And, nobody on this team is a great shot creator, so that's just not going to work well. Blair made a couple of plays, as did Jamorko, but iso ball won't yield results with this team. We have to keep running our offense and we need our half-court offense to improve. It has not been great this year and I think putting Dante in more and giving us someone who is a threat to pull up from anywhere and hit an open three would help our offense in the half-court a ton. Dante might be our best shot creator. We need him to create some shots for himself. If we can develop him, Dante could be a stud in a year or two. As for the defense, it looked like we brought back the hard hedge and once Wright adjusted to it, they were scoring much more consistently. There are many teams that you can let shoot and pack it in on, but Villanova is absolutely not that team. We let Gillespie get hot by over-rotating on him (one was the scheme, I think one or two were on Harris) and that's just a death sentence. We let Nova control the tempo. We relied too much on iso ball on the other end and allowed Nova to get into a rhythm. They were getting looks in transition and we just let Nova take too many open threes. We just couldn't adjust. The hard hedge on the 1-5 screen just doesn't work. On the 1-4 screen, I trust our rim protection from our bigs enough. Just don't make the guards rotate. Leaving Gillespie or Daniels is just a death sentence. They will hit open shots and you will lose. You have to make sure those guys always have someone on them. Leaving them open and letting them shoot a combined 10-16 from deep is not acceptable. From my count, they combined at 6/7 from three in the second half. They hit four during their big run to tie the game. That's just embarrassing. I don't think one of those seven was contested. Those were all in rhythm. You have to run those guys off the line. If Samuels beats you, we absolutely live with that. That second half was just awful. They beat us by 26 in that second half. They tied that game almost immediately. You can't let them get open threes consistently. As for some positives, Dante Harris looked really comfortable. The Coppin State game seems to have given him so much more confidence which just makes that result so much better. Let's give him some more time!! We also did a very solid job on JRE. He's an NBA player and him leaving this game with 9 on 33% shooting is very good. If that was why we over-rotated it's probably not worth it, but that's an objectively good result. Jamorko has looked much better in the past four halves. He's rebounding well (our small-ball lineup is infinitely better than a Bile-Tim lineup, please use that more Coach) and he's shooting it really well. We also looked very good in a half where Blair was not on. If we can play well when Blair isn't scoring, that's going to be very helpful for our team's future. Negatives are really our three-point defense and just the second half. Our offense was so much more stagnant in that second half. That's not how Ewing has run his offense. And it seems our only inbound play is a screen/double screen for Blair in the short corner. I'd very much appreciate another play. Because once Wright realized that, they trapped Blair and that led to a poke out and possibly a TO, if I remember correctly. We need something else there. Overall, I can't be too upset because Nova is just so much more talented. Daniels and JRE will be NBA players at some point. Moore probably will be too and whenever Antoine can fully recover, he'll probably join them. Still, Nova is just more talented. Because of that, I can't blame this loss solely on Ewing. I don't like the quote he had postgame on letting Nova shoot 40 threes, (especially with how many Gillespie and Daniels took, if JRE, Slater, Samuels, and Dixon took 40, that's different), but the first half went super well, so I can't blame Coach. I wish he would've adjusted more, but some of that is on Jalen for just not rotating. I would like to see Dante more, and I think Coach will give us more Dante next game. And the guys made the wrong reads a couple of times. We didn't need to force it into the post and they just missed shots and got tentative. I don't think this was a coaching loss, though I would like to see some things change a bit. Overall though, if someone told me before the game that we'd lose by 13, I wouldn't be too angry. Just hated the way it happened. That second half was draining. But, a quick turnaround here and again, please play Dante more. Dante certainly has had some good moments. But let's not kid ourselves - he had a very poor second half. Of course everybody did.
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Post by mdtd on Dec 11, 2020 23:14:58 GMT -5
Just my long post, it's just a couple up, wanted to save some space on this page. Dante certainly has had some good moments. But let's not kid ourselves - he had a very poor second half. Of course everybody did. Yeah, he wasn't nearly as good in the second half. Not close. Nobody was, really. But I think for a freshman PG, you have to grade them on a bit of a curve. You have to accept some of the mistakes, so long as you see some bright spots. And since I saw those bright spots, I'm a huge fan of his performance tonight. Come next year, I'd expect some more polish and would like to see him make a lot less of those mistakes. But, I've seen enough to believe that he can be a leader and that he should get more reps.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 11, 2020 23:21:10 GMT -5
The first about 18:30 went absolutely perfectly. That went as well as possible. We were hitting shots and they just weren't. Then they started to hit in the last minute and a half. If I remember correctly, Daniels hit one, we missed a couple of shots, they made a shot inside, and then Samuels hit that shot that didn't count. Still, they started getting good looks and controlled the tempo. That's just what great teams do. That's just the talent discrepancy. Overall though, an excellent half. Then, the second half happened. That was a disaster. Wright adjusted and we just didn't. We couldn't adjust and the offense looked so much more stagnant. No movement and the guys just missed some shots. They ended up putting Swider on Q, which looked like it worked better, but they were doing a lot to prevent a catch from Q. The skip pass was open. This and Jalen Harris and Bile just played too much. Bile was not great today and he made some mistakes, and Dante Harris was just much better than Jalen. I don't think the difference between Dante and Jalen is as big as some seem to think it is, though I am confident that Dante should be starting. And again, the Tim-Bile lineup DOESN'T WORK. UGH. Then since the offense became so stagnant, we relies on iso ball late. And, nobody on this team is a great shot creator, so that's just not going to work well. Blair made a couple of plays, as did Jamorko, but iso ball won't yield results with this team. We have to keep running our offense and we need our half-court offense to improve. It has not been great this year and I think putting Dante in more and giving us someone who is a threat to pull up from anywhere and hit an open three would help our offense in the half-court a ton. Dante might be our best shot creator. We need him to create some shots for himself. If we can develop him, Dante could be a stud in a year or two. As for the defense, it looked like we brought back the hard hedge and once Wright adjusted to it, they were scoring much more consistently. There are many teams that you can let shoot and pack it in on, but Villanova is absolutely not that team. We let Gillespie get hot by over-rotating on him (one was the scheme, I think one or two were on Harris) and that's just a death sentence. We let Nova control the tempo. We relied too much on iso ball on the other end and allowed Nova to get into a rhythm. They were getting looks in transition and we just let Nova take too many open threes. We just couldn't adjust. The hard hedge on the 1-5 screen just doesn't work. On the 1-4 screen, I trust our rim protection from our bigs enough. Just don't make the guards rotate. Leaving Gillespie or Daniels is just a death sentence. They will hit open shots and you will lose. You have to make sure those guys always have someone on them. Leaving them open and letting them shoot a combined 10-16 from deep is not acceptable. From my count, they combined at 6/7 from three in the second half. They hit four during their big run to tie the game. That's just embarrassing. I don't think one of those seven was contested. Those were all in rhythm. You have to run those guys off the line. If Samuels beats you, we absolutely live with that. That second half was just awful. They beat us by 26 in that second half. They tied that game almost immediately. You can't let them get open threes consistently. As for some positives, Dante Harris looked really comfortable. The Coppin State game seems to have given him so much more confidence which just makes that result so much better. Let's give him some more time!! We also did a very solid job on JRE. He's an NBA player and him leaving this game with 9 on 33% shooting is very good. If that was why we over-rotated it's probably not worth it, but that's an objectively good result. Jamorko has looked much better in the past four halves. He's rebounding well (our small-ball lineup is infinitely better than a Bile-Tim lineup, please use that more Coach) and he's shooting it really well. We also looked very good in a half where Blair was not on. If we can play well when Blair isn't scoring, that's going to be very helpful for our team's future. Negatives are really our three-point defense and just the second half. Our offense was so much more stagnant in that second half. That's not how Ewing has run his offense. And it seems our only inbound play is a screen/double screen for Blair in the short corner. I'd very much appreciate another play. Because once Wright realized that, they trapped Blair and that led to a poke out and possibly a TO, if I remember correctly. We need something else there. Overall, I can't be too upset because Nova is just so much more talented. Daniels and JRE will be NBA players at some point. Moore probably will be too and whenever Antoine can fully recover, he'll probably join them. Still, Nova is just more talented. Because of that, I can't blame this loss solely on Ewing. I don't like the quote he had postgame on letting Nova shoot 40 threes, (especially with how many Gillespie and Daniels took, if JRE, Slater, Samuels, and Dixon took 40, that's different), but the first half went super well, so I can't blame Coach. I wish he would've adjusted more, but some of that is on Jalen for just not rotating. I would like to see Dante more, and I think Coach will give us more Dante next game. And the guys made the wrong reads a couple of times. We didn't need to force it into the post and they just missed shots and got tentative. I don't think this was a coaching loss, though I would like to see some things change a bit. Overall though, if someone told me before the game that we'd lose by 13, I wouldn't be too angry. Just hated the way it happened. That second half was draining. But, a quick turnaround here and again, please play Dante more. That baseline inbounds play is a nightmare. The best case scenario is that they barely get the ball in to Blair, and he does not get trapped immediately. When that is the best outcome you know you have a lousy play design. I'm sure the initial look is for something else that would produce a better shot. But we never see that first look emerge, and we are always left desperately trying to barely get the ball into play by forcing Blair to beat a trap in the corner. It is almost comical this season - I am happily surprised every time we do not turn the ball over on a baseline inbounds play. I would rather see us just throw the ball all the way into the backcourt to get it in safely, with no effort to even try to execute a scoring play. Ewing has never done much with the baseline inbounds plays, but this season has been particularly bad. JTIII had one nice design on these, sometimes getting a guard free cutting down the lane off a screen for a layup - I can envision Wright converting this play pretty regularly. But what is going on with these plays this season is a problem.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 11, 2020 23:22:16 GMT -5
I don't really blame Patrick for sticking more with Jalen in the second half; when you have two new PG's in your program you tend to go with the experience in close early season games. But I do agree that D. has some promise. Hopefully he keeps working and learning.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 11, 2020 23:26:22 GMT -5
I don't really blame Patrick for sticking more with Jalen in the second half; when you have two new PG's in your program you tend to go with the experience in close early season games. But I do agree that D. has some promise. Hopefully he keeps working and learning. Jalens not bad. But from what I have seen once we get up or are doing really well, he gets overexcited and loses focus and gets sloppy. But really right now there is no other option until Dante gets a couple more game’s under his belt.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 11, 2020 23:41:55 GMT -5
A loss in a game like this hurts but overall there were alot of good things to build on. I think as the players continue to gain more experience, confidence and comfort in playing with each other the bone head plays and mental lapses will decrease. (cause right now we are giving up at least 15-20 points a game with bone head plays or breakdowns in concentration)
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