wsdhoya
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Post by wsdhoya on Dec 10, 2020 0:03:24 GMT -5
Robinson-Earl is a handful. Would like to go zone so he has a bigger body on him when he goes down low and a wing on him when he hangs out on the perimeter, but with Nova's 3 point shooting a zone won't be feasible unless they really can't figure out how to shoot in McDonough. Maybe we can mix in man to man with a sort of matchup zone. Would also love to see a three quarter court press, because when Gillespie and their offense has the time to break down a defense they will do it. If we can make their half court offense start with 18 or 19 on the shot-clock instead of 25 that would help a lot. I honestly don't know what to make of Pickett as a defender, but if we have any chance he needs to show JRE he can compete at that level on both ends.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2020 0:14:36 GMT -5
Villanova did lose to unranked at the time, Virginia Tech So like most teams this year they aren’t invincible
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 10, 2020 3:51:46 GMT -5
We just beat a team by 32 points and I’m thinking an equal effort would yield a loss to Nova. Must defend threes and not turn the ball over to keep this close. Keep in mind that we’ve just played home games, so there is a slight advantage even without fans.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 10, 2020 7:12:28 GMT -5
If Nova is great from three, they win. We will need to concede a number of decent threes for them- there is no way that we take all of those away. We need to limit the wide-open looks for their best shooters and hope that they do not hit at an incredible pace.
We need to limit the live-ball turnovers, especially near midcourt. No free points for Nova. We can push the ball, but if it is not there, we need to take our time. Late in the shot clock, a violation is much better than a sloppy play yielding Nova easy points.
We need to kill them on the boards and inside; we need to win the foul game; and we need strong games from Blair and Pickett. It is a longshot, but we have a chance. HOYA SAXA.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 10, 2020 10:04:29 GMT -5
I think the only way we are going to beat top teams this year is to shoot the 3 well. We can’t trade 3s for 2s with Nova like we have tried in recent years. I think this is a game where Q needs to be limited (despite playing well against them last year), and we play a smaller lineup for longer stretches.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 10, 2020 11:13:54 GMT -5
um JRE is currently 2-12 of 17% from 3. Please play off him and give him the 3pt shot.
Now gillespie, moore, daniels, and swider can all hit, but make JRE shoot from deep and dont give up drives or down low. Outside of the arizona state game where he went 2-4 he's 0-8.
Last year shot 32.8% from 3 but 29.6% in conference.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 10, 2020 11:32:07 GMT -5
I think the only way we are going to beat top teams this year is to shoot the 3 well. We can’t trade 3s for 2s with Nova like we have tried in recent years. I think this is a game where Q needs to be limited (despite playing well against them last year), and we play a smaller lineup for longer stretches. Agreed. We also can’t foul like crazy. Nova is great at playing scrappy, hard drives and forcing teams to foul. We need to play smart, move our feet on defense and hopefully our rim protectors can step in and help. Think we are going to see a steady dose of Bile as a defender and rebounder for the Hoyas. If he can hit a couple of threes...that won’t hurt either.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Dec 10, 2020 12:50:14 GMT -5
I think the only way we are going to beat top teams this year is to shoot the 3 well. We can’t trade 3s for 2s with Nova like we have tried in recent years. I think this is a game where Q needs to be limited (despite playing well against them last year), and we play a smaller lineup for longer stretches. Agreed. We also can’t foul like crazy. Nova is great at playing scrappy, hard drives and forcing teams to foul. We need to play smart, move our feet on defense and hopefully our rim protectors can step in and help. Think we are going to see a steady dose of Bile as a defender and rebounder for the Hoyas. If he can hit a couple of threes...that won’t hurt either. Hopefully the rim protectors will allow the Hoyas to extend their perimeter defense either in man or zone to guard against the 3 point shot.
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aristides
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Post by aristides on Dec 10, 2020 13:02:30 GMT -5
Agreed. We also can’t foul like crazy. Nova is great at playing scrappy, hard drives and forcing teams to foul. We need to play smart, move our feet on defense and hopefully our rim protectors can step in and help. Think we are going to see a steady dose of Bile as a defender and rebounder for the Hoyas. If he can hit a couple of threes...that won’t hurt either. Hopefully the rim protectors will allow the Hoyas to extend their perimeter defense either in man or zone to guard against the 3 point shot. That's been one of the most encouraging signs for me so far this year is the emerging rim protection. Wahab and Ighoefe seem to be increasingly comfortable in their defense and the dividends are starting to show.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 10, 2020 20:07:08 GMT -5
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Dec 10, 2020 22:23:18 GMT -5
:Maybe he is playing Fortnite tomorrow. I like the spirit though.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 10, 2020 22:48:40 GMT -5
Hopefully the rim protectors will allow the Hoyas to extend their perimeter defense either in man or zone to guard against the 3 point shot. That's been one of the most encouraging signs for me so far this year is the emerging rim protection. Wahab and Ighoefe seem to be increasingly comfortable in their defense and the dividends are starting to show. They've been good at altering shots in the paint, but need to do a better job of staying out of foul trouble. Nova is well-schooled at pump fakes, the choreographed flailing after running into a screen, etc. and knowing when to attack defenders who have remained in the game with foul trouble. I put the onus more on Q than Timmy here. For us to take the next step, he's got to figure out a way to stay on the floor for more than 24 MPG. And that is mostly due to him picking up stupid fouls not out of aggression, but lack of focus and discipline.
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emkmd
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Post by emkmd on Dec 11, 2020 7:22:48 GMT -5
Our guards can’t get caught by the Scottie Reynolds head fake. C State ran a set with 5 players behind the three point line and got good looks, which they missed. We can’t rely on missing against Nova.
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Post by practice on Dec 11, 2020 8:59:58 GMT -5
11 point underdogs ... has Coach Orr taught the 2-3 zone? Maybe run that all night. Also does Nova not foul? Texas was 3 for 6 from the line in Nova's last game. Hope we get some homecooking and hot shooting on JT2 Court!
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 11, 2020 12:15:28 GMT -5
Keys to winning:
Stop turning the ball over. Its killing us now and has been killing us throughout most of Ewing’s years. Hell, maybe further back than that. The Hoyas don’t value the ball and even worse are likely to end up with turnovers rather than assists when individual players try to create on their own. For this season alone the Hoyas could be averaging ten more points per game if they kept the turnovers down to a more average number of college teams in general. I would rather the Hoyas jack up quick shots instead of making bad passes or taking horrible drives to the hoop. At least with the quick shots there is an actual chance of a score and a better chance of not giving up easy points on the other end.
Take advantage of our strengths inside. We are longer and bigger than Villanova. Unlike the Wildcats who is guard/perimeter dominant, more of our better players are effective in the paint. The Hoyas need to post up for baskets and DOMINATE the boards on both ends. If Gtown can’t compete with Villanova in outside shooting then it can make up for that by getting more second or even third chances while eliminating Villanova from getting those extra chances.
The Hoyas must play two halves of at least respectable offense. They will likely be unable to get away with some of their more stilted offensive outputs as we have seen in halves of certain games.
Make the darn free throws. This part of the team’s game has been horrid in this early part of the season. The good news is that things look as if they may be turning the corner during the last one or one and a half games. We can’t afford to leave any money on the table. Hit those freebies.
Keep playing solid defense. Be it on the perimeter or in the paint, the Hoyas are showing glimpses of being much improved on the defensive end from previous seasons. They still have a way to go but they must continue to show that promise, keep getting better.
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rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 11, 2020 13:05:52 GMT -5
Our defensive efficiency is currently the highest it's ever been under Ewing, 86th in the country. But it's really two different two game samples
Against UMBC and Coppin State: Opponents shot 23% from 3 and grabbed offensive rebounds on 17.2% of available opportunities
Against WVA and Navy: Opponents shot 35% from 3 and grabbed offensive rebounds on 27% of available opportunities
Teams are still taking a ton of 3s against us (40% of all FGA, 210th in country). Again skewed by UMBC and Coppin chucking but Navy took their fair share as well.
So are we defending better or were UMBC and Coppin St just poor shooting teams? I think we know the answer but lets see what Nova does.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 11, 2020 14:16:31 GMT -5
Keys to winning: Stop turning the ball over.This. Yeah, the other stuff too. But THIS.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 11, 2020 14:23:15 GMT -5
ok we got it IF under 15 turnovers yup and hope the refs call that nova d that fouls ALL THE TIME and that gillespe dude for CLEARING OUT WITH HIS ARM ON EVEYR PLAY need meanarywayup but DOABLE hustle for forty minutes or more andJUST DO IT GET MEAN HIT SOME THREES DEFEND THE THREE our house folks OUR HOUSE> never know go hoyas yup NEVER know from a sixites mets fan wowwowowowwwwwwowowoow wind one by one by at least one and have some FUN>
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 11, 2020 14:27:58 GMT -5
I hope they stick with their man when Nova posts its guards(especially Gillespie) & wings much rather give up contested two's than open threes...
Not sure how Gtown can be a running team when they're terrible with the ball in transition situations imo...
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Dec 11, 2020 15:08:48 GMT -5
I know I'll catch some flack for this but watching the Hoyas play defense during the Ewing era has made me appreciate Jim Boeheim. Please let me finish. We all know that Syracuse is basically a 2-3 zone defense team. I've often wondered why and also why more teams don't do the same. I think I now see the genius (or at least the reason) Boeheim does it. We've seen the past 3 years that trying to play man defense requires truly exceptional athletes. They not only have to be physically quick and strong but also mentally alert constantly. But what happens if you don't have those athletes or enough of those athletes to make a man defense work? I think we see what happens. You wind up with teams boasting one of the country's worst defensive stats for 3 years in a row. But if you play 2-3 zone exclusively and work hard teaching your players how to implement it you have a much better chance of making your defensive system fit your players than, as we've seen with PE, trying to get your players to fit your defensive system. Watching Govan guarding guys 20 feet from the basket or Pickett trying to find the guy he's supposed to be guarding really is awful. But if you stick Govan (or especially Wahab or Iggy)in the middle of a 2-3 you get the most out of their abilities and sticking Pickett on a wing makes it less likely he will get lost on screens and also takes advantage of his height and wingspan. We saw a really lame attempt at a 2-3 zone in our last game but even still it worked. I don't understand why Orr hasn't worked to have this weapon more polished and useful. Am I missing something?
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