smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Apr 17, 2024 11:48:49 GMT -5
I am thinking in terms of what we have gained & lost with players gone and players new and the returning crew. Then I think about depth and our bench. Gone: Heath, Massoud, Bristol, Mutumbo, Brumbaugh, Kazor, Bacote. New: McKenna (new for all intents and purposes), Mulready, Sorber, Williams, Peavey, Van Raaphorst, and gonna say it - Mack. Add 1-2 more portal additions. Returning: Styles, Cook, Fielder, Epps, Montgomery, Assadalah. Will miss Rowan, but hoping & expecting that feeling to dissipate as the season progresses. Otherwise, I don't see one position where we didn't improve/add more talent. One of our biggest problems last season was that we didn't have the talent to play the kind of basketball -- especially defense -- that wins games. It would appear that we have taken a big step -- maybe 2-3 big steps -- toward bringing in the talent necessary to play good defense and win in the Big East. As for depth, we are going to have to play 8-9 deep, and we are going to have to be ready for injuries and missed PT and games. When I read a post talking about Sorber having had back problems and the like, and when we learn that Drew's knees can affect his play, I am concerned that if we lose either/both (plus any others) for any length of time, will we have the horses to back them up? I will be waiting to see what the final additions are, but right now, EC is likely to start the season with several versatile, athletic players who can help in such circumstances, and that will make us better and more resilient. Reserving all-out optimism for a bit later, but I am very much liking what's taking shape. Bingo - Other than Brum and DS, nobody leaving moved the needle even a tiny bit I could easily argue that McKenna, Mulready, Sorber and Mack would have all been in the top 7 on last season's team. Good Dontrez was a player. But invisible Dontrez showed up too often for a team desperate for playmakers. Mack is exponentially better than Brum. Need another serious big from the Portal, and it's a new day.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 17, 2024 13:46:53 GMT -5
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 18, 2024 20:22:33 GMT -5
Odd.
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Post by sweetness on Apr 18, 2024 20:26:13 GMT -5
That is strange - hopefully it's not too disruptive. Need to finish out this campaign strong.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 18, 2024 21:29:02 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Apr 18, 2024 21:32:24 GMT -5
How many staff departures is that now?
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Post by thedragon on Apr 18, 2024 21:36:13 GMT -5
How many staff departures is that now? 4 I believe. All moved up at least a level. Fox back to a bench role.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 19, 2024 4:31:02 GMT -5
Not really. Mark Pope is keeping it in the Famiglia. Mark Fox hired Mark Pope as assistant coach when Mark Fox was the head coach at Georgia. “But the connection doesn’t stop there. Fox was actually an assistant coach for the Washington Huskies from 1991-93 when Pope joined the program and earned Pac-10 Freshman of the Year honors in 1992. But after then-head coach Lynn Nance was fired following the 1992-93 season, Fox was also let go, leading Pope to transfer to Kentucky, and the rest is history.” www.aseaofblue.com/2024/4/18/24134461/jason-hart-mark-fox-kentucky-wildcats-basketball-coaching-staff-mark-pope
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Post by jackofjoy on Apr 19, 2024 7:13:06 GMT -5
How many staff departures is that now? 4 I believe. All moved up at least a level. Fox back to a bench role. Thought there were complaints over the past years about no coaching tree … not sure a dude with a staff 1 year is even a twig, but Thomas is a branch. Also further validation that everything (players, coaches) is fungible these days.
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Post by TC on Apr 19, 2024 9:07:35 GMT -5
Hoyatalk all year : "why did we hire Mark Fox? <Parade of horribles about his stint at Cal>, Cooley only hired him because he's a friend, blah blah blah" Mark Fox gets hired by blue blood program : "oh no! this is terrible" I cannot speak to what Fox accomplished this year other than he was placed as NIL Czar and it seems from our recruiting like we have a massive pot of NIL - I don't know if that's due to Cooley, or Fox, or Reed, or who. But it's clear from the movement out of the program that Ed Cooley is hiring people that (a) have a network (b) are well placed in the CBB world Having connections matters. This is a massive change from the way the program was run in the past.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Apr 19, 2024 9:15:34 GMT -5
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 19, 2024 9:21:01 GMT -5
Hoyatalk all year : "why did we hire Mark Fox? <Parade of horribles about his stint at Cal>, Cooley only hired him because he's a friend, blah blah blah" Mark Fox gets hired by blue blood program : "oh no! this is terrible" I cannot speak to what Fox accomplished this year other than he was placed as NIL Czar and it seems from our recruiting like we have a massive pot of NIL - I don't know if that's due to Cooley, or Fox, or Reed, or who. But it's clear from the movement out of the program that Ed Cooley is hiring people that (a) have a network (b) are well placed in the CBB world Having connections matters. This is a massive change from the way the program was run in the past. Not saying this is terrible, I just found it strange. I also was not previously aware of the connection between Fox and Pope which explains a lot. I don’t think any recruit/transfer is going to stop considering GU because Fox left for UK.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Apr 19, 2024 9:21:15 GMT -5
Do not be in the least worried about Fox leaving. He was a so-so coach through his career hired by Cal when things were a disaster there and did nothing to improve things. Matter of fact things got worse. He was fired when Ewing was fired and Cal hired Mark Madsen. The Bears went from 3 wins to 13 wins with transfers.
Now why did that happen? Players left before he came, the roster was thin and players left while he was coach. He was not a communicator and as things became worse, he shut the doors to communication. And then, just before fired he commented that he more or less hated NIL.
So my other fav school G'town hires Mark Fox. I have been saying for the last year this was a disaster. A "coach helps coach" thing in the good old fraternity. The Hoyas developed significant funds not because of Mark Fox but he was the "man". I worried. No longer do I worry, nor should you.
If you have tapes of Hoya games he is the very bored face sitting behind and a seat over toward the scorers bench with the bland expression. And yes, I have a bias. A died in the wool Cal grad waiting for our BB program to return after minor blips up.
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Post by TC on Apr 19, 2024 9:52:32 GMT -5
Can you let it go?
He's got a new job somewhere else, people in the college basketball obviously respect him quite a bit even if you don't. It's great we now have a connect at Kentucky that is a full-fledged assistant. Having an in at a blue blood is a thing that I don't think we ever had before and could be pretty valuable for when the next Bryce Hopkins wants to transfer out of Kentucky after a year.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Apr 19, 2024 10:21:41 GMT -5
Can you let it go? He's got a new job somewhere else, people in the college basketball obviously respect him quite a bit even if you don't. It's great we now have a connect at Kentucky that is a full-fledged assistant. Having an in at a blue blood is a thing that I don't think we ever had before and could be pretty valuable for when the next Bryce Hopkins wants to transfer out of Kentucky after a year. TC, I have posted very limitedly here about Mark Fox. I never wish bad on anyone, nor do I him, but you should go on the Cal boards. We suffered from his inactions for a couple of years. I speak not of him as a person, but as a coach and the irony of him having been our NIL coach at Georgetown. Quite frankly, I thought I was giving good advice, not venom, about a man's coaching history and attitudes. The general response, and believe Cal Berkeley is quite forgiving, was him being NIL director at my other love Georgetown was like leaving "a flat earth advocate as head of NASA". I need not comment any more. He is gone. I am happy. Suggest you go to your church and I will go to mine. Cheers to you.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 19, 2024 10:25:16 GMT -5
Do not be in the least worried about Fox leaving. He was a so-so coach through his career hired by Cal when things were a disaster there and did nothing to improve things. Matter of fact things got worse. He was fired when Ewing was fired and Cal hired Mark Madsen. The Bears went from 3 wins to 13 wins with transfers. Now why did that happen? Players left before he came, the roster was thin and players left while he was coach. He was not a communicator and as things became worse, he shut the doors to communication. And then, just before fired he commented that he more or less hated NIL. So my other fav school G'town hires Mark Fox. I have been saying for the last year this was a disaster. A "coach helps coach" thing in the good old fraternity. The Hoyas developed significant funds not because of Mark Fox but he was the "man". I worried. No longer do I worry, nor should you. If you have tapes of Hoya games he is the very bored face sitting behind and a seat over toward the scorers bench with the bland expression. And yes, I have a bias. A died in the wool Cal grad waiting for our BB program to return after minor blips up. I’m glad we were able to drop Mediocre Mark Fox. He was a friends hire here (JT3 connection) and is a friend hire at UK (Mark Pope’s mentor) He’s their problem now: kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/mark-fox.414358/
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 19, 2024 14:59:38 GMT -5
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Post by saxagael on Apr 19, 2024 17:37:54 GMT -5
How many staff departures is that now? It is 3 by my count. Fox was not a Providence follow, but a new add for Cooley for a role Hoyas hadn't had before, keeping track of NIL with some coaching assistance. Also keep in mind Hoyas had the largest staff in the Big East last year (I have no clue where the full list of staff is). The staff size was mentioned by announcers at games a few times. Many of the staff that are listed are some of the most solid staff the Hoyas have had in a long time.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 19, 2024 18:50:54 GMT -5
Do not be in the least worried about Fox leaving. He was a so-so coach through his career hired by Cal when things were a disaster there and did nothing to improve things. Matter of fact things got worse. He was fired when Ewing was fired and Cal hired Mark Madsen. The Bears went from 3 wins to 13 wins with transfers. Now why did that happen? Players left before he came, the roster was thin and players left while he was coach. He was not a communicator and as things became worse, he shut the doors to communication. And then, just before fired he commented that he more or less hated NIL. So my other fav school G'town hires Mark Fox. I have been saying for the last year this was a disaster. A "coach helps coach" thing in the good old fraternity. The Hoyas developed significant funds not because of Mark Fox but he was the "man". I worried. No longer do I worry, nor should you. If you have tapes of Hoya games he is the very bored face sitting behind and a seat over toward the scorers bench with the bland expression. And yes, I have a bias. A died in the wool Cal grad waiting for our BB program to return after minor blips up. I’m glad we were able to drop Mediocre Mark Fox. He was a friends hire here (JT3 connection) and is a friend hire at UK (Mark Pope’s mentor) He’s their problem now: kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/mark-fox.414358/Mark Fox getting hired had nothing to do with JT3. Mark Fox and Ed Cooley were good friends. That's why he was hired. I don't think JT3 has any influence whatsoever at Georgetown, nor does he likely want to have any such influence.
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 21, 2024 5:56:44 GMT -5
247sports.com/Season/2024-Basketball/OverallTeamRankings/This combines freshmen and transfer incoming players. Some pretty good company, and best in the conference, despite a 4-55 record the last 3 seasons. #12 UNC #13 Georgetown#14 Purdue Other BE Teams in Top 50: #24 UConn #32 Creighton #34 Villanova #41 Xavier #48 Providence Landing Cliff would put us at #6! For reference, last year (which many of us were content with it at the time) we were #45. So this certainly is another level.
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