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Post by guru on Mar 21, 2024 11:57:22 GMT -5
You still don’t know what a straw man is do you? It’s amazing. I see you are taking a break from responding to every post TC makes to go back to your old stomping grounds. I appreciate the attention. To make it clear: 1. seaweed said he "had and have a moral objection to Pitino." The two bases for that were the prostitution situation at Louisville and Pitino's alleged marital indiscretions. 2. He said "I have brought this up many times." Presuambly "this" is both of the above. 3. He then said he "has never heard of a defense why it is OK to have a guy like that at our school." 4. I responded that "If you had a moral objection to Rick Pitino because he cheated on his wife (even though they are still together), did you have the same moral objection to hiring Patrick Ewing given what he admitted doing as part of the Gold Club scandal? Just Google "Ewing gold club" and you'll see what I mean." I also made the point that the NCAA did not find Pitino or Johnson directly culpable on the prostitute piece. So, I responded to both arguments. 5. seaweed responds with "hell of a straw man." There is no straw man here. Seaweed made an argument and I responded to it. Merrium Webster's definition of straw man: "a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted." Let's go to Dictionary.com: "a fabricated or conveniently weak or innocuous person, object, matter, etc., used as a seeming adversary or argument." Nothing in my post created a weak or imaginery argument or adversary. Nor did I fabricate anything. I responded directly to seaweed's points. My response was not to a straw man nor did it set up a straw man. TLDR: confirmed. You still don’t know what a straw man is.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 21, 2024 12:21:41 GMT -5
You still don’t know what a straw man is do you? It’s amazing. I see you are taking a break from responding to every post TC makes to go back to your old stomping grounds. I appreciate the attention. To make it clear: 1. seaweed said he "had and have a moral objection to Pitino." The two bases for that were the prostitution situation at Louisville and Pitino's alleged marital indiscretions. 2. He said "I have brought this up many times." Presuambly "this" is both of the above. 3. He then said he "has never heard of a defense why it is OK to have a guy like that at our school." 4. I responded that "If you had a moral objection to Rick Pitino because he cheated on his wife (even though they are still together), did you have the same moral objection to hiring Patrick Ewing given what he admitted doing as part of the Gold Club scandal? Just Google "Ewing gold club" and you'll see what I mean." I also made the point that the NCAA did not find Pitino or Johnson directly culpable on the prostitute piece. So, I responded to both arguments. 5. seaweed responds with "hell of a straw man." There is no straw man here. Seaweed made an argument and I responded to it. Merrium Webster's definition of straw man: "a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted." Let's go to Dictionary.com: "a fabricated or conveniently weak or innocuous person, object, matter, etc., used as a seeming adversary or argument." Nothing in my post created a weak or imaginery argument or adversary. Nor did I fabricate anything. I responded directly to seaweed's points. My response was not to a straw man nor did it set up a straw man. You ignored what was outside the parenthesis - the main point about hookers for minor recruits - to attack what was inside the parenthesis, literally a parenthetical aside. If that isn’t “weak” rebuttal, I don’t know what is. But you have since clearly stated that you don’t care about the hooker thing because Rick’s fingerprints weren’t on that transaction, so shut it down and move on
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2024 12:47:48 GMT -5
Should we create a thread for those wishing to debate the plus / minus of the current St Johns coach? Because this thread is about the current state of the Georgetown basketball program. Pick a different venue to argue about somebody else's coach please.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 21, 2024 13:18:17 GMT -5
Should we create a thread for those wishing to debate the plus / minus of the current St Johns coach? Because this thread is about the current state of the Georgetown basketball program. Pick a different venue to argue about somebody else's coach please. Dan: That can be hard because how many ways can you say debacle?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2024 13:20:21 GMT -5
Should we create a thread for those wishing to debate the plus / minus of the current St Johns coach? Because this thread is about the current state of the Georgetown basketball program. Pick a different venue to argue about somebody else's coach please. Dan: That can be hard because how many ways can you say debacle? One post for each way would seem sufficient.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 21, 2024 13:21:35 GMT -5
Dan: That can be hard because how many ways can you say debacle? One post for each way would seem sufficient. Fair enough, I’ll play. Dumpster Fire
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Post by DallasHoya on Mar 21, 2024 13:59:32 GMT -5
Should we create a thread for those wishing to debate the plus / minus of the current St Johns coach? Because this thread is about the current state of the Georgetown basketball program. Pick a different venue to argue about somebody else's coach please. Dan: That can be hard because how many ways can you say debacle?
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 21, 2024 19:24:33 GMT -5
I had and have a moral objection to Pitino - there is a difference between paying dudes and their families and procuring hookers for minors (or even banging waitresses on restaurant tables though I certainly have no objection to unmarried guys doing that, but if memory serves Tricky Dick was married at the time). I have brought this up many times and have heard people say “whatever” but have never heard a defense of why it is OK to have a guy like that at our school. Would you let your kid go on an Pitino supervised recruiting knowing he may try to get them laid? Come on fans of the guy, defend that! And that’s not even talking about 123 vacated wins, which I never want to see happen here even if it meant winning our next 123 straight. As for Johnson, I find it a little icky but per above, cash and whores are different and I think it matters that we would be taking him while he is on restricted duty, I.e. embracing the sanction. I know little else about him so don’t have much to say o. The merits, but unlike most, I still TTS. Please don't refer to Pitino as Tricky Dick. That moniker is clearly owned elsewhere.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 21, 2024 19:26:24 GMT -5
It takes a special kind of hubris/stupidity to cheat when you know that there are extra eyes on you. These are the kinds of characters our university leadership is bringing into the program - the level of hypocrisy is stunning. You keep dodging my question. If you were Jack DeGioia last March would you have hired Rick Pitino? Maybe hoyaboya is Jack DeGioia.
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Post by hsaxon on Mar 21, 2024 19:28:52 GMT -5
Should we create a thread for those wishing to debate the plus / minus of the current St Johns coach? Because this thread is about the current state of the Georgetown basketball program. Pick a different venue to argue about somebody else's coach please. I agree, Dan.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 21, 2024 20:18:55 GMT -5
My thoughts on the state of our program:
I still believe in Cooley, but I feel a lot less hopeful after what we witnessed this season. There is a part of me that is afraid we will never crawl out of this hole.
But it’s portal season now and things could look a whole lot better in a few weeks.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 27, 2024 8:38:26 GMT -5
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Post by drquigley on Mar 27, 2024 10:00:16 GMT -5
My thoughts on the state of our program: I still believe in Cooley, but I feel a lot less hopeful after what we witnessed this season. There is a part of me that is afraid we will never crawl out of this hole. But it’s portal season now and things could look a whole lot better in a few weeks. My feelings (and I think that of many on this Board) exactly. But next year is going to go a long way to determining my opinion of Cooley.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 27, 2024 11:54:45 GMT -5
If the team was better, we'd probably see more outreach. The coaches are probably embarrassed. Even when the team was okay in 2019, there was no outreach. There was no pre-season outreach. The Iron Curtain doesn't know how to do what Kelsey did in that 30 second video, it's not within their DNA at all.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 28, 2024 12:03:47 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 29, 2024 17:14:00 GMT -5
This scene is so foreign to Georgetown Basketball, in multiple ways.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 30, 2024 19:05:12 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 1, 2024 18:32:29 GMT -5
LOL. And no doubt Epps would have gone for 50.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 4, 2024 18:59:25 GMT -5
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Post by thedragon on Apr 4, 2024 19:07:52 GMT -5
He did strongly hint that next week they'd be announcing a yearly Maryland game
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