mdtd
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Post by mdtd on Dec 3, 2020 17:46:45 GMT -5
I saw a little bit of the West Virginia/Gonzaga game, and unless our guys step it up a LOT it's going to be a very long night. We just aren't at the same level of either of those teams. Thats like saying we arent at the level of Lebron Lakers. Gonzaga would have easily destroyed West Virginia but there best player went down with what looked like a season ending injury and they stopped playing for a while. The thing is... Gonzaga has like five guys that can be considered their best player. Kispert and Timme are excellent college players, Ayayi has proven he can score consistently, Suggs is just awesome, and Nembhard was Florida's best player last season, imo. That team is incredibly deep. Gonzaga's bench is probably a top 25 team. West Virginia is a very good team. They are very tough and have excellent bigs. Oscar and Culver are excellent players and going two bigs would be giving WVU a massive advantage. Culver and Oscar are better both than Q and are leagues ahead of Tim or Malcolm. They might have the best frontcourt in college basketball. McBride and Sherman have been very solid too, and both look like they will be able to score when they want to. But, part of WVU's offense is the good old fashioned "get the ball to the rim and if we miss, let the big boys get it inside and score." With how our rebounding looked last game, this approach would kill us. Every single player is going to have to rebound and this might be a game where Kobe Clark gets like 25 minutes since he might be our second best rebounder. So, I think WVU beats us handily. They match up well and just have more talent at almost every position.
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Post by sead43 on Dec 3, 2020 19:27:17 GMT -5
Here's a story. Me, SFHoya99, SFOHoya, and Cambridge did a road trip in 2007 where we started in Louisville and saw the Hoyas beat the Cardinals on the inaugural night of Denny Crum Court. We then drove to DC for the Marquette and WVU games at Verizon. During the drive, we stopped at multiple locations of interest including Georgetown College in Kentucky and Morgantown, WV. While in Morgantown, we drove to the Coliseum and were amazed that the doors were open. So we wandered around inside. We had a blue & Gray pom-pom and we hid part of it in section 55 behind the hoop to honor Hibbert. Our "hex" on WVU started February 9th, 2007 and it continues today. Thus, I see the Hoyas squeaking out a W Sunday. Yes, I am living in the past. 2008
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paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 3, 2020 22:53:54 GMT -5
WVU has no answer for CHUDIER.
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Post by trillesthoya on Dec 3, 2020 23:47:17 GMT -5
WVU has no answer for CHUDIER. And neither do we!
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 4, 2020 6:24:35 GMT -5
WVU has no answer for CHUDIER. If WVU has no "answer" for CHUDIER, what the heck is the question???
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 4, 2020 10:14:10 GMT -5
After rewatching the UMBC game (could not record the Navy game), our problem of leaving wide-open shooters on the perimeter is due to the fact that our team on defense looks like little league u-6 soccer players following the ball en masse because they are too young to grasp the concept of maintaining your position/area. Maybe that’s what the coaching staff wants our players to do, but the wide-open player is a constant problem. We allow too many easy points to open shooters or open lay-ups. It is up to the opposition to find and pass to the open player. Why don’t the other teams have the same problem on defense?
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 4, 2020 10:19:54 GMT -5
After rewatching the UMBC game (could not record the Navy game), our problem of leaving wide-open shooters on the perimeter is due to the fact that our team on defense looks like little league u-6 soccer players following the ball en masse because they are too young to grasp the concept of maintaining your position/area. Maybe that’s what the coaching staff wants our players to do, but the wide-open player is a constant problem. We allow too many easy points to open shooters or open lay-ups. It is up to the opposition to find and pass to the open player. Why don’t the other teams have the same problem on defense? I don't know about this team but in the past it's been because we don't have enough people who can consistently hit wide open 3s. There's guys like Jeremiah or Lubick who you don't even have to guard on offense, which allows you to just focus guarding 5 on 4 and concentrating on the one or two automatic shooters we have like DSR. Last year was a little different because Terrell was a great college point guard and Terrell, Jagan and Mac can hit open 3s.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 4, 2020 12:54:19 GMT -5
After rewatching the UMBC game (could not record the Navy game), our problem of leaving wide-open shooters on the perimeter is due to the fact that our team on defense looks like little league u-6 soccer players following the ball en masse because they are too young to grasp the concept of maintaining your position/area. Maybe that’s what the coaching staff wants our players to do, but the wide-open player is a constant problem. We allow too many easy points to open shooters or open lay-ups. It is up to the opposition to find and pass to the open player. Why don’t the other teams have the same problem on defense? I don't know about this team but in the past it's been because we don't have enough people who can consistently hit wide open 3s.There's guys like Jeremiah or Lubick who you don't even have to guard on offense, which allows you to just focus guarding 5 on 4 and concentrating on the one or two automatic shooters we have like DSR. Last year was a little different because Terrell was a great college point guard and Terrell, Jagan and Mac can hit open 3s. Not true. Under Ewing, we’ve been 3rd, 3rd and 4th in 3P%. The problem on 3s has been shot attempts (we’ve passed up a lot of wide-open 3s) and, from the looks of it this season, we’re going to shoot 3s a lot more per game (27 and 31 3PFGAs in our two games). I will add that from the bolded comment, it would seem that our opposition has better perimeter players. Why does the opposition have better perimeter players? Is it that our team defense makes them look good? Why are we, under Ewing, consistently in or near the bottom of the BE when it comes to opponent’s 3FG made, attempted and percentage?
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 4, 2020 13:10:54 GMT -5
I don't know about this team but in the past it's been because we don't have enough people who can consistently hit wide open 3s.There's guys like Jeremiah or Lubick who you don't even have to guard on offense, which allows you to just focus guarding 5 on 4 and concentrating on the one or two automatic shooters we have like DSR. Last year was a little different because Terrell was a great college point guard and Terrell, Jagan and Mac can hit open 3s. Not true. Under Ewing, we’ve been 3rd, 3rd and 4th in 3P%. The problem on 3s has been shot attempts (we’ve passed up a lot of wide-open 3s) and, from the looks of it this season, we’re going to shoot 3s a lot more per game (27 and 31 3PFGAs in our two games). I will add that from the bolded comment, it would seem that our opposition has better perimeter players. Why does the opposition have better perimeter players? Is it that our team defense makes them look good? Why are we, under Ewing, consistently in or near the bottom of the BE when it comes to opponent’s 3FG made, attempted and percentage? Because there's a difference in a lot of instances between having a high percentage and actually being a good 3pt shooter. Jagan was kind of like this in his early years. Shot a high percentage but only shot them when he wasn't covered and he was in his favorite spots. And even them he would hesitate shooting when left wide open or pass up the shot. That preserves the high percentage but it's only because you are being highly selective and cautious. If you were to ask such a shooter to let it fly and shoot more shots then his percentage would go down significantly. And alot of our players have been like that. They simply aren't elite 3pt shooters, who are automatic in most situations. So the high 3pt % percentage may give the illusion that we have good 3pt shooters when that's not really the case. Really you have great 3pt shooters if your team is full of guys who take alot of 3s and have a high percentage. If they shoot a high percentage but aren't shooting many 3s it's usually an indication that they are just ok 3pt shooters.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 4, 2020 19:12:29 GMT -5
MODERATOR NOTE: Post moved here from the article links thread; comments made in reference to Qudus Wahab's pregame comments linked there, and reproduced here.
Good stuff. Glad to see Wahab is stepping up. I hope others take heed and join him.
I wonder how long it will take us to find our strengths at each position and play them.
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Post by homeonthehilltop on Dec 4, 2020 20:20:22 GMT -5
Remember when we beat Illinois on the road just two years ago? My have the programs deviated since then. That, unfortunately, may be the peak of our program for quite a long time. Do people like you truly believe the things you say or do you just purely enjoy being negative? Have you always gone for the low hanging fruit? Because using that logic no team ever gets better and no team ever gets worse. I really don’t understand your point at all. You say you’re using logic but I’m not so sure...
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Post by homeonthehilltop on Dec 4, 2020 20:32:21 GMT -5
Remember when we beat Illinois on the road just two years ago? My have the programs deviated since then. That, unfortunately, may be the peak of our program for quite a long time. Do people like you truly believe the things you say or do you just purely enjoy being negative? Have you always gone for the low hanging fruit? Because using that logic no team ever gets better and no team ever gets worse. Yes, I truly believe what I say. I believe that Illinois has vastly outperformed us over the past two years. And yes, I truly believe that we have to improve a lot to get back to the state the program was in just one day after that Illinois game. I remember running on the treadmill the next morning after that game thinking - “we are back, baby.” Boy, was that counting my chickens...
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 5, 2020 0:14:23 GMT -5
Because there's a difference in a lot of instances between having a high percentage and actually being a good 3pt shooter. Jagan was kind of like this in his early years. Shot a high percentage but only shot them when he wasn't covered and he was in his favorite spots. And even them he would hesitate shooting when left wide open or pass up the shot. That preserves the high percentage but it's only because you are being highly selective and cautious. If you were to ask such a shooter to let it fly and shoot more shots then his percentage would go down significantly. And alot of our players have been like that. They simply aren't elite 3pt shooters, who are automatic in most situations. So the high 3pt % percentage may give the illusion that we have good 3pt shooters when that's not really the case. Really you have great 3pt shooters if your team is full of guys who take alot of 3s and have a high percentage. If they shoot a high percentage but aren't shooting many 3s it's usually an indication that they are just ok 3pt shooters. I agree re: Jagan, but it's impossible to say what would have happened if Ewing had demanded that he shoot more. Due to the Great Exodus, he couldn’t sit Jagan. We don't know if that conversation happened. Again, we cannot say with certainty that Jagan's percentage would have gone down if he shot more. It could be argued both ways. This year, regarding 3FG shooting, it's early, but from the first two games we can conclude that: (1.) we're going to shoot more 3s; (2.) Pickett and Blair have the green light; (3.) Carey looks promising from 3; and (4.) we don't know what we have with the rest of the players. Pat needs to decide whether it's a good idea to have Pickett and Blair attempt close to 10 3s a game at such a low percentage made (31% and 21% respectively). Their 3FGA misses almost always end a GU possession on top of the fact that these two senior players are turning the ball over more than ever in their careers (3 TOs and 3.5 TOs per game respectively). If the answer is no, he needs to create a plan to have Carey shoot more, and explore if he has something from 3 in Bile, D. & J. Harris and even Berger.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 5, 2020 8:35:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure that we are shooting more 3's by design. When you have nobody who can consistently threaten a defense/create their own shot off the dribble - even a semi-contested 3 is often going to be the best shot you can get in a given possession. I don't think Ewing has necessarily adjusted the offense to try to create more 3s. Blair and Pickett are firing up 3s (often early in the possession or with a defender fairly close by) because that is the only shot our limited offensive skill set/execution can generate.
Even when we were down to 5 or 6 players last season - Allen could still get into the lane and either kick out to an open shooter or get off a contested layup or floater with a decent chance of converting. We don't have anyone who can do that this year. J. Harris can sometimes get past his man, but he has shown zero ability to convert a contested layup or floater. D. Harris looks like he may have a solid skill set for attacking off the dribble, but he has not done much with it yet (understandably for a small guard playing their first few games).
The only remotely functional offense we have is posting up Wahab - and we'll see how well that works as the core of our half court offense against good teams when he tries to post up the two high level power players in the WVU front court tomorrow.
The Big East is definitely in a down year. But even so, I think we are probably far more "down" than everyone else. We still are playing no defense, and now our offense is kind of a wreck as well. Not many good vibes to be found around the program right now, at least for the current season.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 5, 2020 11:21:51 GMT -5
Wahab needs to learn how to kick the ball out once he’s double or triple teamed.
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Post by kbones17 on Dec 5, 2020 12:12:40 GMT -5
Gonzaga vs Baylor today is canceled due to COVID cases on Gonzaga who also had cases last week and still played. Gonzaga you played WEst Virginia this week...so just a reminder of how tenuous this whole season is and will be.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 5, 2020 12:38:54 GMT -5
Gonzaga vs Baylor today is canceled due to COVID cases on Gonzaga who also had cases last week and still played. Gonzaga you played WEst Virginia this week...so just a reminder of how tenuous this whole season is and will be. Only fair thing to do is to give us the forfeit victory over a ranked opponent. This is why we bubble, NCAA
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 5, 2020 18:33:37 GMT -5
Is this on FS1?
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Post by theboardkatt on Dec 5, 2020 19:04:30 GMT -5
Believe on FS1
opening line GTWN +10....looks pretty good to me
Money line 146
I didn’t think we’d cover against Navy at gtown -11.5, but was still hoping we’d win. Think there’s almost zero chance we win this game so the moneyline is almost free money, and the spread looking pretty good as well, as I sadly wouldnt be surprised to see us lose this one something in the area of 85-60...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 5, 2020 19:30:11 GMT -5
Wahab needs to learn how to kick the ball out once he’s double or triple teamed. I agree, but there was one possession like this last game against Navy where he was double or triple teamed, and there was literally nobody from our team on his side of the Court to pass to. Our space, on both offense and defense, needs a ton of work.
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