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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 6, 2020 20:02:42 GMT -5
I don't that anyone knows why Sibley is not playing. I dont know that it is about basketball....maybe it's aclimating to online classes. Maybe not. Team played better but West Virginia was better!
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Post by TC on Dec 6, 2020 20:04:48 GMT -5
I feel bad for Blair. Other than the shot that got swatted out of the gym he played really well.
Harris and Bile are turnover machines, but that was obvious when they were recruited, even though people here wanted to stick their heads in the sand and say Bile was just a usage issue and Harris had a bad year and it was the fault of the new coach. Both are efficiency problems, and it should have been a recruiting red flag in both cases.
Really hope Sibley starts giving it 100% in practice because watching us waste minutes on this 8-man rotation during a rebuilding year is going to be pretty painful next year.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 6, 2020 20:07:02 GMT -5
Gonzaga had more positives and suspending activities now. Let’s hope WVU doesn’t realize after the fact they had cases. I’d assume they were tested prior to today, but sometimes the tests lag.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 6, 2020 20:16:43 GMT -5
I feel bad for Blair. Other than the shot that got swatted out of the gym he played really well. Harris and Bile are turnover machines, but that was obvious when they were recruited, even though people here wanted to stick their heads in the sand and say Bile was just a usage issue and Harris had a bad year and it was the fault of the new coach. Both are efficiency problems, and it should have been a recruiting red flag in both cases. Really hope Sibley starts giving it 100% in practice because watching us waste minutes on this 8-man rotation during a rebuilding year is going to be pretty painful next year. As fans we don’t really want to see the grad transfers block the the minutes and progress of our freshman in a year where we aren’t going anywhere, but you have to realize the staff wants to win every game we play, and I can’t blame them if that’s their prerogative. Unfortunately if we had a coach with a longer or better track record, he might be more inclined to let losses pile up for the benefit of future seasons. But in this case, each win is coveted and they are going to play guys like Bile over Sibley if they think that’s the best option for a win today. May not be what us fans want to hear, but it’s the reality of the situation.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Dec 6, 2020 20:18:22 GMT -5
30-35 minutes of good BB. But when there were 3 fouls on all of Pickett, Wahab, and Igoeffe you knew they would start pounding harder inside with their bigs and get the 4th and 5th. When they got aggressive, we had to back off or foul out. Credit to WVU but a very well played game for the first 35. By the way is Wilson hurt. The little I have seen of him this year, I have liked his fluid movement, and for heavens sakes if your 2 bigs have 3 fouls each early in the second half he should be in to take pressure off at the end. Wilson is healthy. After the Navy game, Ewing was asked why Tim plays over Malcolm and he said something along the lines of "Tim is the better option right now". They should at least split those backup minutes in my opinion For one thing, it gives you fifteen fouls against ten. They could have been used today by keeping the foul count down on Wahab especially at the end.
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Post by TC on Dec 6, 2020 20:26:04 GMT -5
As fans we don’t really want to see the grad transfers block the the minutes and progress of our freshman in a year where we aren’t going anywhere, but you have to realize the staff wants to win every game we play, and I can’t blame them if that’s their prerogative. I can. That's not a strategy on which to build a winning program.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 6, 2020 20:30:27 GMT -5
Idk I didn't think Bile was that awful. Definitely not as bad as he was against Navy oof. He started out the season injured, new teammates, maybe he's better than what he's shown thus far. I just don't see him as much of an upgrade over Clark... I'll admit that my eyes are on the future more than the present and it scares me that if PT continues on this path there won't be any wings with experience next season... Even scarier is that the player with the 2nd most minutes will be the back-up center... I really do like the incoming class however I don't think any of them are ready to play primary roles as a freshman so I'd like to see more of this year's frosh class get some time in...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 6, 2020 20:36:34 GMT -5
All in all, I think it was a solid effort. WVU is a solid team and while #11 may overrate them, they've got some pieces to build on. West Virginia won this game with patience and confidence, two things Georgetown frankly does not have enough of right now.
1. Shutting down Culver and Tshiebwe was the goal and Georgetown did it as well as anyone. It failed to contain McBride, however, and he kept them within range until their return in the second half. Neither Carey nor J. Harris seem to be the successor to Terrell Allen that many had hoped and eight turnovers between the two is a head-scratcher for two grad transfers, especially since the WVU guards are not overwehelming.
2. Blair and Pickett combined for 30 points and this seems to be their combined ceiling. Neither can be consistent for the entire game, however, and opponents take note of this. Pickett took just four shots after halftime and that doesn't help his confidence. As this team lacks upperclass leadership on the court, the record will only go as far as these two will take it.
3. Bile looked like the proverbial bull in the china shop. I compared him to Godwin Owinje in that John Thompson didn't give Owinje enough time to be dangerous. Bile was a -10 on the +/- in this game. He's another grad transfer who should be more polished at this point.
4. Still waiting for Wahab to play to his potential. After three games, Ighoefe has not made any serious steps forward in this regard and that is a concern.
5. Playing just one freshman, and one with a season total of 1 for 10 from the field, is sending a bad message to the bench. Maybe Ewing is being reflexive to the criticism, or doesn't have faith on what he recruited, but he's losing at least three starters for next year and the freshmen need to play, unless Georgetown wants to start 21-22 with four inexperienced starters next season. Even 2-3 mins in the first half is better than a DNP for Berger, Clark, Holloway, and Sibley. If this is the plan going forward, Coppin State might be the last time any of these get minutes this season.
6. After three games, Georgetown is shooting 39% from the field.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 6, 2020 20:40:00 GMT -5
The team was pretty disciplined for a good while today. Wahab showed more offensive versatility. We could use Sibley playing soon. I have no idea what the issue is, but if he is as athletic and able to shoot as Ewing said, he needs to find his way to the basketball court and out if the dog house. Jamorko needs to become more fluid and savvy about his decision making offensively. We were better but not good enough. I loved the high-low post coordination by West Virginia, I wish we were talented and experienced enough to play that way.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 6, 2020 20:50:14 GMT -5
Georgetown in the national statistics so far:
Scoring Offense: 184th Scoring Defense: 139th Scoring Margin: 182nd
Field-Goal Percentage: 242nd Field-Goal Percentage Defense: 165th Three-Point Field Goals Per Game: 85th Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage: 211th Free-Throw Percentage: 267th
Rebound Margin: 31st (mostly from UMBC)
Assists Per Game: 126th Blocked Shots Per Game: 122nd Steals Per Game: 215th Turnover Margin: 242nd Assist Turnover Ratio: 196th
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 20:54:47 GMT -5
Idk I didn't think Bile was that awful. Definitely not as bad as he was against Navy oof. He started out the season injured, new teammates, maybe he's better than what he's shown thus far. I just don't see him as much of an upgrade over Clark... I'll admit that my eye is on the future more than the present and it scares me that if PT continues on this path there won't be any wings with experience next season... Even scarier is that the player with the 2nd most minutes will be the back-up center... I really do like the incoming class however I don't think any of them are ready to play primary roles as a freshman so I'd like to see more of this year's frosh class get some time in... All solid points. Bile had 10pts (4-10), 6 rebounds, and 2 blks in 17 minutes. On the negative side he had 3to's and was 1-4 from the line. I'll assume he's better than 25% ft shooter so maybe rust is a factor there? I like Clark. I definitely think he should be given opportunities. I think the first game might have given folks a false impression of how good he is, but he's talented. He should be a very solid player for us as an upperclassmen.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Dec 6, 2020 21:05:00 GMT -5
Just passionate fans, man. Lots of poor decision making in key moments of the game. Can't have so many unforced TOs.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 6, 2020 21:05:42 GMT -5
Wilson is healthy. After the Navy game, Ewing was asked why Tim plays over Malcolm and he said something along the lines of "Tim is the better option right now". They should at least split those backup minutes in my opinion For one thing, it gives you fifteen fouls against ten. They could have been used today by keeping the foul count down on Wahab especially at the end. True but I don't know if Malcolm could hang with these two 260 lbs West Virginia space eaters. Although now he is listed at 7 feet from 6-10 but he weighs 205 lbs.
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Post by the_way on Dec 6, 2020 21:20:27 GMT -5
For one thing, it gives you fifteen fouls against ten. They could have been used today by keeping the foul count down on Wahab especially at the end. True but I don't know if Malcolm could hang with these two 260 lbs West Virginia space eaters. Although now he is listed at 7 feet from 6-10 but he weighs 205 lbs. This. And both Q and Tim forced their bigs to pick up fouls and sit on the bench because of it, which helped keep us in the game. The Q and Tim combo gives us the best chance to win right now.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 6, 2020 21:38:12 GMT -5
Another step in the right direction. Continued growing pains. I continue to like what I see in this team. You can call call me an eternal optimist, an apologist for the coach, or whatever. I believe we will get there. I would love to see an early game where those threes are falling consistently.
Here is my overall take. If we are are going to fall down, let’s go ahead and get those falls early.
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Post by DudeSlade on Dec 6, 2020 21:39:32 GMT -5
A few thoughts from the game:
- Assuming WVU is at least a top 25 caliber team as it seems, we will win more games than anticipated this year if we play this way. We won't be last in the Big East playing this way. The question is whether we can bring this level of effort and aggressiveness to every game. Pleased with how the team played for 34-36 minutes. - Blair is our best player. I had bought into Pickett's offseason confidence game, but Blair has been our best player each game and has shown that he is a senior guard in the Big East. I feel much more confident when he's trying to make things happen than anyone else on the floor. Though I would like to see him occasionally trust his teammates more. - We can't play Ighoefe and Bile together. There's just too little basketball IQ from our frontline when they are both on the floor. Their playing time needs to be staggered so that one of Wahab or Pickett is always on the floor with them. - Wahab's unwillingess/inability to pass out of the post greatly restricts his effectiveness offensively and also seems to lead his teammates to occasionally decide not to pass it into him because they know it won't come back out. - Wahab & Ighoefe need to get in front of whatever the basketball equivalent of a jugs machine is and just catch hundreds of passes a day. Our guards also need to recognize they can't throw bullets into them. - Carey needs to score more for this team to be most effective. He is our 3rd best player and we need him consistently. - This game seems like one that would have fit Clark, at least in the aggressiveness and physicality he showed against UMBC. - Our defense is strikingly better with Pickett in than when he's out. For all the unfulfilled promise on the offensive side of the ball that has driven us as fans nuts for years, he really started to show development defensively last year and has become a solid defensive player. I'm not seeing as many big plays from him defensively as last year, but the difference in how our defense looks when he's in/out is significant. - Jalen Harris is a story of momentum -- both good and bad. When he makes a good play, he seems to build on it and have minutes at a time that he looks good. But then when he makes a bad play, he seems to compound it repeatedly. I'd hoped for a little more stability from a grad transfer. Hopefully as the season goes on, Ewing can recognize when a bad streak is starting and sub him out to cool him off and send him back with some equilibrium returned later. - Dante Harris needs to just trust himself out there more. He seems to be trying to avoid mistakes and not trusting what he's seeing when he shoots. He shows promise, just gain some confidence. - I liked our rebounding by the whole team. WVU is a big strong team and we fought them on the boards well. That effort will go a long way against most teams. - WVU is still an obnoxious team. And Bob Huggins leads the way. Was frustrated seeing him with mask on his neck when he was bumping fists with our team at the end. Maybe that was just cuz I had to see his face or because we'd lost. But it really irked me that he couldn't do a simple thing like wear a mask properly when bumping fists with our team, especially after the virus issues with Gonzaga, whom they'd just played.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 6, 2020 21:45:19 GMT -5
Much improved in the effort department. At least this loss showed progress unlike the Navy game. The PG position is clearly going to be an issue all year. Neither Harris is a complete player and J Harris simply must play under control if the Hoyas are going to have a chance. His Harris counterpart needs to have some shots fall for other teams to respect him on the offensive end. If Carey isn’t getting some shots his value is greatly diminished as he is clearly not a PG and not great on defense. Blair is streaky but like Pickett needs to settle down a little and not chuck up some wild shots which can take the Hoyas out of their game. Pickett has been defending and rebounding well, but still would prefer him at the 3 and not the 4. Too sleight to play against the bigger posts. Bile? Still not sure what he brings. Seems pretty undisciplined for a senior but willing to see if he settles down and into his role. Flashes rebounding and aggressiveness but questionable decision making. Neither post has impressed me on the offensive end but both showed their value as rim protectors today. So far, Ewing’s substitutions are not a good reflection on this recruiting class. For a team that suffers from poor shooting, apparently none of the Freshmen can solve that problem. Are we to assume that Clark, Holloway, Berger and Sibley will have no role this year? Liked Ewing’s use of timeouts today and clearly had this team prepared. Maybe I am grasping at air but today gave me some hope that this team can improve if it can only find some shooters.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 6, 2020 22:27:09 GMT -5
On a positive note...when was the last time we had 7 blocks in a game? Some pretty darn good rim protection.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 6, 2020 22:33:15 GMT -5
True but I don't know if Malcolm could hang with these two 260 lbs West Virginia space eaters. Although now he is listed at 7 feet from 6-10 but he weighs 205 lbs. This. And both Q and Tim forced their bigs to pick up fouls and sit on the bench because of it, which helped keep us in the game. The Q and Tim combo gives us the best chance to win right now. I thought coach really tried to put out the best players possible to win this game (which meant the ones with the most experience: Jalen, Bile, Carey over Kobe and Dante). It worked in the first half. Foul trouble started to make things tough when Q, Jamorko and Tim were at 3-4 fouls. Dante Harris was pretty much invisible when he played and that's to be expected of a frosh against a top 25 team. Carey had quiet 9 pts. Bile did some good things and some dumb things but he does seem really rusty from the foot injury. Jalen did alot of good things but then started to get over excited in the second half missing an uncontested layup and then the 5 pt swing sequence. But he was the main reason we were doing well because he was running the offense instead of having Blair bring it up and being a ball dominant gunner. Nice dunk too. It's been a while since our point guard (Mac was never really the point for us) can take it to the whole and throw it down like that. Blair was having his best game in the first 3/4 of the game. Very efficient. But the last 10 minutes reverted to jacking poor shots after Jalen got flustered. it's a work in progress but there were alot of positives to take away from this game.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 6, 2020 22:34:57 GMT -5
On a positive note...when was the last time we had 7 blocks in a game? Some pretty darn good rim protection. I've said it before but alot of Big East caliber teams are intimidated by Tim's length when he's out on the floor. It alters the way these other big's play.
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