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Post by wponds on Dec 6, 2020 18:37:44 GMT -5
Game was there to be had, but the turnovers killed us once again. It's really been a trend all 3+ years with Ewing
Not gonna lose sleep over this one though. Need to come out and play well against Coppin State - can't keep playing up/down to the opponent's energy and talent level
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 6, 2020 18:38:42 GMT -5
Bile's minutes have to put cut. Not only for the good of the team this year but for the future. Agreed. Looks like he’s clearly Pickett’s back up but honestly, don’t know what Sibley’s done to get himself in the dog house, but I’d much rather he get the minutes work on getting better for the future.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 6, 2020 18:39:58 GMT -5
J Harris has 8 pt s, 8 asssits, 5 boards, 1-2 from 3.... a great day from him Uhh they go under every screen and help off him. They aren't respecting his offensive capabilities. And he just missed a layup with nobody within 10 feet of him. His game reminds me of young Air Bowen... a little too fast for himself...
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 6, 2020 18:40:05 GMT -5
Bile's minutes have to put cut. Not only for the good of the team this year but for the future. Agreed. Looks like he’s clearly Pickett’s back up but honestly, don’t know what Sibley’s done to get himself in the dog house, but I’d much rather he get the minutes work on getting better for the future. Sibley could do nothing but stand in a corner and I'm not sure he would be a big of a negative that Bile is.
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Post by the_way on Dec 6, 2020 18:41:09 GMT -5
Proud of the guys.
Went toe-to-toe with a tough, hard nose team for the majority of the game until we had nothing left. WVA raised their level of play towards the end and we couldn't match it.
A work in progress. Just keep improving day-by-day.
Go Hoyas!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 18:42:15 GMT -5
In spite of the loss to West Virginia, Georgetown did very well all around but watch the haters come on these boards to start their hating. They wont give the kids no praise but rather bash them. And you know they are going to hate on the coach in spite of the fact he coached his butt off and had the kids ready. Some will even swear he can't even coach. Watch what I tell you.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Dec 6, 2020 18:46:48 GMT -5
30-35 minutes of good BB. But when there were 3 fouls on all of Pickett, Wahab, and Igoeffe you knew they would start pounding harder inside with their bigs and get the 4th and 5th. When they got aggressive, we had to back off or foul out. Credit to WVU but a very well played game for the first 35.
By the way is Wilson hurt. The little I have seen of him this year, I have liked his fluid movement, and for heavens sakes if your 2 bigs have 3 fouls each early in the second half he should be in to take pressure off at the end.
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Post by the_way on Dec 6, 2020 18:49:31 GMT -5
Bile's minutes have to put cut. Not only for the good of the team this year but for the future. Agreed. Looks like he’s clearly Pickett’s back up but honestly, don’t know what Sibley’s done to get himself in the dog house, but I’d much rather he get the minutes work on getting better for the future. Sibley isn't going to get better if he can't crack the lineup by beating out the people in front of him on the depth chart. To be good, you have to know how to compete and out-compete your opponent. That same concept applies to the depth chart. If he can't beat out those ahead of him on the depth chart, then what would he look like vs the likes of WVA? How would that help him or the team? Bile does bring something to the table, although Ewing should reign him in on his shot selection. When Ewing feels Sibley will play, he'll play.
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Post by wponds on Dec 6, 2020 18:52:26 GMT -5
30-35 minutes of good BB. But when there were 3 fouls on all of Pickett, Wahab, and Igoeffe you knew they would start pounding harder inside with their bigs and get the 4th and 5th. When they got aggressive, we had to back off or foul out. Credit to WVU but a very well played game for the first 35. By the way is Wilson hurt. The little I have seen of him this year, I have liked his fluid movement, and for heavens sakes if your 2 bigs have 3 fouls each early in the second half he should be in to take pressure off at the end. Wilson is healthy. After the Navy game, Ewing was asked why Tim plays over Malcolm and he said something along the lines of "Tim is the better option right now". They should at least split those backup minutes in my opinion
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Post by Hoyaholic on Dec 6, 2020 18:52:43 GMT -5
Bile's confidence to talent ratio approaches infinity
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 6, 2020 18:56:16 GMT -5
Yes, what Ewing needs right now is praise for the job he's doing. *rolls eyes*
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 6, 2020 18:56:56 GMT -5
Bile's confidence to talent ratio approaches infinity Does the Dunning Kruger effect apply to basketball?
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 6, 2020 19:20:50 GMT -5
Either we are better than we thought or West Virginia is not #11....or neither....or both!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 19:24:49 GMT -5
Idk I didn't think Bile was that awful. Definitely not as bad as he was against Navy oof.
He started out the season injured, new teammates, maybe he's better than what he's shown thus far.
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 6, 2020 19:30:04 GMT -5
Agreed. Looks like he’s clearly Pickett’s back up but honestly, don’t know what Sibley’s done to get himself in the dog house, but I’d much rather he get the minutes work on getting better for the future. Sibley isn't going to get better if he can't crack the lineup by beating out the people in front of him on the depth chart. To be good, you have to know how to compete and out-compete your opponent. That same concept applies to the depth chart. If he can't beat out those ahead of him on the depth chart, then what would he look like vs the likes of WVA? How would that help him or the team? Bile does bring something to the table, although Ewing should reign him in on his shot selection. When Ewing feels Sibley will play, he'll play. I’m sorry, I’m just not convinced enough that Ewing knows what he’s doing to have that much blind faith in him or his decision-making. And that’s coming from someone who isn’t calling for his job this year. I’d have rather seen Malcolm at the 4 than Bile for some possessions. The ability to play within yourself can be a difference maker in winning and losing. Just do your job without turning the ball over or trying to make the highlight reel. If we’re gonna have a losing season, I’d rather the young guys get the experience of playing at this level so maybe we turn things around next year.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 6, 2020 19:31:00 GMT -5
I hope all of you delighting in the “easy money” line were suitably rewarded.
I thought the D was vastly more cohesive and the team did a great job guarding the WVU baseline double screen offense on most, not all, plays.
Very winnable game until the sequence when Harris tried to flop a charge call, gave up an open 3, then drove into traffic with no clear option, turned it over and the lead was erased. After that, WVU just had to play a 2 man game with whomever with 4 fouls was (not) guarding their bigs.
Turnovers were a killer again. Both Harris have to learn that neither Wahab nor Ighoefe is going to catch more than every 3rd hot pass into a tight space in the lane.
Effort was high the whole game but after the game flipped on the sequence above and both bigs and Pickett all had 4 fouls the game pretty much became unwinnable.
Big statement game after the last one. Much improved, but not enough.
I feel duty bound to remind people not even a lineup of 10 five stars is immune to slow starts and lack of effort.
On edit: forgot to include that McBride was the best player on the floor by a mile. What I wouldn’t give to have a guy like that on our team.
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Post by the_way on Dec 6, 2020 19:32:59 GMT -5
30-35 minutes of good BB. But when there were 3 fouls on all of Pickett, Wahab, and Igoeffe you knew they would start pounding harder inside with their bigs and get the 4th and 5th. When they got aggressive, we had to back off or foul out. Credit to WVU but a very well played game for the first 35. By the way is Wilson hurt. The little I have seen of him this year, I have liked his fluid movement, and for heavens sakes if your 2 bigs have 3 fouls each early in the second half he should be in to take pressure off at the end. Wilson is healthy. After the Navy game, Ewing was asked why Tim plays over Malcolm and he said something along the lines of "Tim is the better option right now". They should at least split those backup minutes in my opinion He was asked that question because the interviewer referenced a +/-1 stat from the Navy game as to why Tim is playing and not Malcolm. Was it something in pratice? Basically, the guy answered his own question. Ewing was being honest. Tim showed you why today he plays the bulk of the backup minutes. He can block shots, he can rebound. Can mix it up down low in the paint. Teams have to respect him on both ends of the floor inside the paint. Their bigs had fouls too at one point, if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 6, 2020 19:33:14 GMT -5
Much better effort from our guys today. I would assume the last few days of practice following Tuesday's disaster were probably not fun. Blair's hot shooting kept us out front for a bit there, but once Huggins finally came up with a plan to take him away, points were really tough to come by once a fairly disinterested WVU team (likely still coming down from the Gonzaga game) suddenly upped their level of energy. While we made far fewer mistakes defensively overall, our bigs wore down as the game progressed and we got exposed in the paint down the stretch. Typical Huggins team; not particularly skilled, but they've got real athletes and are aggressive. Despite that and although 15 TOs isn't a terrible number against a defense like that, we committed numerous bonehead unforced TOs that end up being the difference in a close game.
Jalen Harris' string of bad plays at 50-44 really was what got WVU out of their lull and back in rhythm. He's got decent vision and is a willing passer, but he needs to stay under control. Cannot be losing your composure like that as a senior leader in a crucial stretch of the game. That being said, he had both a charge not called that led to a 3 and a clean block from behind that was called a foul. Both really rough calls from what I thought was otherwise a pretty decent officiated game.
Mixed game for both Q and Timmy. They did well contesting and altering shots, but foul trouble is going to be an issue for them all year. Ewing has to get them to play smarter so they can stay on the floor and remain aggressive for 40 minutes. They both still have a ways to go in the strength department; Tshiebwe and Culver were just too big and too strong in the last 8-10 minutes.
Thought Carey had a poor game. Seemed a step slow and made some really poor decisions. For someone who is out there for his shooting, he can't be turning the ball over as much as he did. It's terrifying to watch his high dribble; no way he is getting through traffic consistently without getting picked. Also thought he had a subpar game defensively as well.
Bile... a lot of activity, both good and bad. Loved the offensive board and putback off the missed FT. Was decent on the boards. Hated the constant overdribbling, hunting bad shots, and being generally out of control on offense. If Ewing is going to insist on playing him big minutes off the bench, he's got to figure out a way to rein him in a bit on the offensive end.
5 TOs by WVU is a shockingly low number. Not sure a press would have been successful today, but we do need to figure out a way to get more deflections and force some more turnovers. We are not efficient enough of a shooting team to survive -12 at the line and -10 in the turnover department. Just not sure where they are going to come from when really don't have any plus individual defenders on the perimeter.
Think this was an effort that can be built upon, and it shows that when this team plays hard it should never allow outcomes like Tuesday to happen. Take care of business against Coppin and focus on cleaning up the mental mistakes that can be easily corrected.
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Post by the_way on Dec 6, 2020 19:41:09 GMT -5
Sibley isn't going to get better if he can't crack the lineup by beating out the people in front of him on the depth chart. To be good, you have to know how to compete and out-compete your opponent. That same concept applies to the depth chart. If he can't beat out those ahead of him on the depth chart, then what would he look like vs the likes of WVA? How would that help him or the team? Bile does bring something to the table, although Ewing should reign him in on his shot selection. When Ewing feels Sibley will play, he'll play. I’m sorry, I’m just not convinced enough that Ewing knows what he’s doing to have that much blind faith in him or his decision-making. And that’s coming from someone who isn’t calling for his job this year. I’d have rather seen Malcolm at the 4 than Bile for some possessions. The ability to play within yourself can be a difference maker in winning and losing. Just do your job without turning the ball over or trying to make the highlight reel. If we’re gonna have a losing season, I’d rather the young guys get the experience of playing at this level so maybe we turn things around next year. Ewing has made a lot of mistakes, but he has always played the players that earned minutes during his time here. Nobody has rotted on the bench. In fact, he gives them free rein to play on the court as you can see in the shot selection this year and also when Akinjo and Mac were here. You don't win by not playing your best players. Your young guys don't get better if they are handed a starting job or minutes they haven't earned.
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Post by frozenhoya on Dec 6, 2020 19:56:05 GMT -5
It was disappointing to let this one slip away but we saw progress in important areas. Q and Tim are making strides. They still make awkward mistakes but they look more comfortable every time out. Q shoots the ball well even when he doesn't get ideal body position. Tim is a beast on defence and showed some nice touch on his blocked shots. I would like to see Malcolm get a few minutes but I think people are over valuing the 4 minutes of time we saw from him. Those 4 minutes played out in a manner that masked how raw he is. He also lacks the strength to match-up against bigs like West Virginia's low post guys. As a result, I am not sure he would have been effective spelling Q and Tim. I would generally prefer to see Malcolm get some run at the 4 with Patrick picking his spots. Many are anxious for Sibley to see the floor, and I can't wait to see him too; however, without knowing why he has been out there, it is hard to second guess the staff on this. Pure speculation and then criticism founded on that speculation isn't helpful. I would like to see some offence run for Carey. He has a nice stroke and good athleticism but it seems like he may need to be pushed to score more. J Harris' assist total was great and his dunk surprised me. I could swear, though, that he uses a different stroke every time he shoots it. Dante Harris needs a few shots to go down. He has great quicks and a pretty tight handle but he is pressing. I have seen a few good looks by him which leads me to think that he will be an effective passer in time. Jamarko is best when he is not forcing the issue. He needs to keep the ball moving when the shot isn't there. Right now, he often causes the offence to stall. The team is going to have to learn to believe it can win or we will see games slip away midway through the second half. A little bit of pressure might help us. We have the bigs to do it if they can stay out of foul trouble and Jamarko can be huge asset bringing the double team. Today's game was more fun to watch than I expected. I am looking forward to more good games this year.
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