Picked to Finish 10th by SI

[smokeyjack]

No real surprise, but depressing nonetheless. This is year what again of rebuild?

Year 4 of rebuild and falling.... 

[centercourt400s]

Jul 9, 2020 19:52:17 GMT -5 smokeyjack said:

No real surprise, but depressing nonetheless. This is year what again of rebuild?

Year 4 of rebuild and falling.... 

So wait. You go through all the effort to start a new completely negative thread, then neglect to cite a source link AND then also get your facts wrong? Why is this not surprising?

Facts are facts. First, the article I read doesn't show a predicted order of finish for '20-'21, it is "an early look at power rankings" (which could mean many things but almost certainly doesn't represent a predicted order of finish). And then, while the ranking is not good at all, it CLEARLY also isn't "last". Last would mean, you know, last. Not close to last, or near last, but actually "last".

If you want to continue to beat up the Hoyas, at least do it truthfully and accurately.

Don't take my word for it, let's read the article and see what it really says: www.si.com/college/2020/07/08/big-east-basketball-power-rankings-villanova-uconn.

[smokeyjack]

Sorry - they picked us tied for last with DePaul. SO misleading on my part. And article is linked at top of front page of site, so I assumed everyone had seen it. Once again, mea culpa for being so aggressively unhelpful.

And I don’t need to “beat up” on the Hoyas. They became a punch line, much to my chagrin, all by themselves over the last decade.

[LCPolo18]

Jul 9, 2020 20:40:12 GMT -5 smokeyjack said:

Sorry - they picked us tied for last with DePaul. SO misleading on my part. And article is linked at top of front page of site, so I assumed everyone had seen it. Once again, mea culpa for being so aggressively unhelpful.

And I don’t need to “beat up” on the Hoyas. They became a punch line, much to my chagrin, all by themselves over the last decade.

Technically the front page has a typo. The actual article lists Georgetown at 10 and DePaul at 11.

[centercourt400s]

Jul 9, 2020 20:40:12 GMT -5 smokeyjack said:

Sorry - they picked us tied for last with DePaul. SO misleading on my part. And article is linked at top of front page of site, so I assumed everyone had seen it. Once again, mea culpa for being so aggressively unhelpful.

And I don’t need to “beat up” on the Hoyas. They became a punch line, much to my chagrin, all by themselves over the last decade.

I must be missing something. Where does the article indicate that they picked us tied for last?

From what I can see it shows Georgetown 10, DePaul 11. That sucks but isn't last or tied for last.

[smokeyjack]

Sorry, as Polo pointed out our website has a typo that lists both GU and DePaul as T10. GU was really 10 and DePaul 11. Whew, I feel much better...and you really put me in my place.

No wonder you’re in the 400s. My dog is less myopic.

[DFW HOYA]

Jul 9, 2020 21:04:01 GMT -5 smokeyjack said:

Sorry, as Polo pointed out our website has a typo that lists both GU and DePaul as T10. GU was really 10 and DePaul 11. Whew, I feel much better...and you really put me in my place.

Correction made--thanks.

[tashoya]

I don't much care where we're picked by anyone. I care what I see on the floor from the guys that chose to stick it out and from our coaching staff in terms of defensive development.

[LCPolo18]

Jul 9, 2020 21:43:05 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Jul 9, 2020 21:04:01 GMT -5 smokeyjack said:

Sorry, as Polo pointed out our website has a typo that lists both GU and DePaul as T10. GU was really 10 and DePaul 11. Whew, I feel much better...and you really put me in my place.

Correction made--thanks.

You’re welcome!

[mdtd]

I mean well... that's the general expectation, right? This is something we've pretty much known. Can the team overperform? Absolutely. Can it get worse? Sadly. But, this is known. That being said, I think power rankings in a conference that plays a round-robin schedule does mean that's the prediction they might predict. I've seen us picked last and I've seen up to like 6th/7th with most being in the nine through 11 range.


Also, I'm not big on the whole "how didn't the writer mention player X" thing, but not mentioning a single Hoya, mentioning Jalen Gaffney (3.9PPG) over Tyler Polley and RJ Cole, and not mentioning the key to Butler's team Aaron Thompson seems a pretty off to me. I also disagree with some of the rankings, but that's not here nor there (and is always going to happen).

That being said, if our guys can come out, develop and play with a chip on their shoulders with some schematic improvements, I'll take it.

[tashoya]

Jul 9, 2020 22:37:13 GMT -5 mdtd said:

I mean well... that's the general expectation, right? This is something we've pretty much known. Can the team overperform? Absolutely. Can it get worse? Sadly. But, this is known. That being said, I think power rankings in a conference that plays a round-robin schedule does mean that's the prediction they might predict. I've seen us picked last and I've seen up to like 6th/7th with most being in the nine through 11 range.


Also, I'm not big on the whole "how didn't the writer mention player X" thing, but not mentioning a single Hoya, mentioning Jalen Gaffney (3.9PPG) over Tyler Polley and RJ Cole, and not mentioning the key to Butler's team Aaron Thompson seems a pretty off to me. I also disagree with some of the rankings, but that's not here nor there (and is always going to happen).

That being said, if our guys can come out, develop and play with a chip on their shoulders with some schematic improvements, I'll take it.

You make valid points. That said, pre-season rankings have become farcical. They, seemingly, are done by looking at a roster sheet and not watching many, if any, games. If you're a "reporter" looking to do a BS pre-season ranking and you see the defections we had, of course you put us at or near the bottom. But, I'd also bet that those folks didn't watch much of Georgetown basketball at any point last season and probably didn't watch the Hoyas after the defections. Yes, we've had a ton of turn-over. And, yes, it's probably a good bet that we won't be very good. But, let's not pretend as though these rankings are done by people that watch all of the games and make educated decisions based on what they've watched. Pre-season rankings for nationally unranked teams mean next to nothing. These reporters are not spending time doing careful evaluations.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Jul 9, 2020 23:01:50 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Jul 9, 2020 22:37:13 GMT -5 mdtd said:

I mean well... that's the general expectation, right? This is something we've pretty much known. Can the team overperform? Absolutely. Can it get worse? Sadly. But, this is known. That being said, I think power rankings in a conference that plays a round-robin schedule does mean that's the prediction they might predict. I've seen us picked last and I've seen up to like 6th/7th with most being in the nine through 11 range.


Also, I'm not big on the whole "how didn't the writer mention player X" thing, but not mentioning a single Hoya, mentioning Jalen Gaffney (3.9PPG) over Tyler Polley and RJ Cole, and not mentioning the key to Butler's team Aaron Thompson seems a pretty off to me. I also disagree with some of the rankings, but that's not here nor there (and is always going to happen).

That being said, if our guys can come out, develop and play with a chip on their shoulders with some schematic improvements, I'll take it.

You make valid points. That said, pre-season rankings have become farcical. They, seemingly, are done by looking at a roster sheet and not watching many, if any, games. If you're a "reporter" looking to do a BS pre-season ranking and you see the defections we had, of course you put us at or near the bottom. But, I'd also bet that those folks didn't watch much of Georgetown basketball at any point last season and probably didn't watch the Hoyas after the defections. Yes, we've had a ton of turn-over. And, yes, it's probably a good bet that we won't be very good. But, let's not pretend as though these rankings are done by people that watch all of the games and make educated decisions based on what they've watched. Pre-season rankings for nationally unranked teams mean next to nothing. These reporters are not spending time doing careful evaluations.

You make good points about sports journalists. The fact is these guys make predictions in many conferences and cannot possibly know enough about all of them to be fully informed. On top of that, even if you ARE fully informed, you will invariably be wrong some percentage of the time. You see this every year with preseason rankings being off from the actual results (though usually they are more accurate at the very top and bottom for obvious reasons).

It just so happens, in this case, the authors are probably right. We are returning very little talent, lost a ton of guys from our roster, and are replacing them with graduate transfers and freshman, none of whom are top 100 type talent except for Sibley. We should have no expectations that we are going to be anything but at the bottom unless our guys step it up. On paper, we are solidly basement material. And, no, I don't like that at all. But it is reality.

[Elvado]

Come on guys.

We are missing the silver lining here.

We were just inoculated against Underachieving.

[calhoya]

Jul 10, 2020 6:43:18 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Come on guys.

We are missing the silver lining here.

We were just inoculated against Underachieving.

Funny but so true. This is and should be a "prove it" year for Ewing. Unlike last year when a heralded returning group appeared to guarantee a successful season that imploded on and off the court, this year there are virtually no expectations for success. Ewing has the opportunity against a weaker BE to prove that his desire and determination to be the head coach of this program is matched by his ability. No alpha dog guards competing for the spotlight. No off court distractions. No pronouncements of the Hoyas return to glory. Absolutely no one outside of the most optimistic and dedicated Hoya faithful is expecting any significant success.

Coach-up a group of unheralded players and a handful of veterans and be anointed again as the savior. Fail to do so and while a vocal segment of the shrinking fan base will say it's time for a change, many, including an Administration trying to justify the hiring in the first place, will characterize the year as the restart of a rebuild gone awry through no fault of the coach. As weird as it is, I think that this is actually a real opportunity for the coach to regain some momentum lost a year ago.

[hoyalove4ever]

Dear gracious. It is only year four. People are so impatient these days. Talk to me in 2025...

[Deleted]

Jul 10, 2020 7:05:15 GMT -5 calhoya said:

Jul 10, 2020 6:43:18 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Come on guys.

We are missing the silver lining here.

We were just inoculated against Underachieving.

Funny but so true. This is and should be a "prove it" year for Ewing. Unlike last year when a heralded returning group appeared to guarantee a successful season that imploded on and off the court, this year there are virtually no expectations for success. Ewing has the opportunity against a weaker BE to prove that his desire and determination to be the head coach of this program is matched by his ability. No alpha dog guards competing for the spotlight. No off court distractions. No pronouncements of the Hoyas return to glory. Absolutely no one outside of the most optimistic and dedicated Hoya faithful is expecting any significant success.

Coach-up a group of unheralded players and a handful of veterans and be anointed again as the savior. Fail to do so and while a vocal segment of the shrinking fan base will say it's time for a change, many, including an Administration trying to justify the hiring in the first place, will characterize the year as the restart of a rebuild gone awry through no fault of the coach. As weird as it is, I think that this is actually a real opportunity for the coach to regain some momentum lost a year ago.

So then we're not inoculated against underachieving?

[aristides]

Jul 10, 2020 7:05:15 GMT -5 calhoya said:

Jul 10, 2020 6:43:18 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Come on guys.

We are missing the silver lining here.

We were just inoculated against Underachieving.

Funny but so true. This is and should be a "prove it" year for Ewing. Unlike last year when a heralded returning group appeared to guarantee a successful season that imploded on and off the court, this year there are virtually no expectations for success. Ewing has the opportunity against a weaker BE to prove that his desire and determination to be the head coach of this program is matched by his ability. No alpha dog guards competing for the spotlight. No off court distractions. No pronouncements of the Hoyas return to glory. Absolutely no one outside of the most optimistic and dedicated Hoya faithful is expecting any significant success.

Coach-up a group of unheralded players and a handful of veterans and be anointed again as the savior. Fail to do so and while a vocal segment of the shrinking fan base will say it's time for a change, many, including an Administration trying to justify the hiring in the first place, will characterize the year as the restart of a rebuild gone awry through no fault of the coach. As weird as it is, I think that this is actually a real opportunity for the coach to regain some momentum lost a year ago.

Depends on what you mean by "prove it". I think JT Jr. said something along the lines of, "You can whip a mule all you want but it's not going to win the Kentucky Derby". What I'd like to see is reason to hope for the 21-22 season. That means some of the underclassmen really develop and show promise. Wahab is going to get all the playing time he can handle. I want to see that he can be a focal point of the offense by 21-22. I'd love to see some of the freshman look like they could be high impact players for the following season. Hopefully Ewing can also get the team to be better than I expect...but that's going to be tough.

[centercourt400s]

Jul 9, 2020 21:04:01 GMT -5 smokeyjack said:

Sorry, as Polo pointed out our website has a typo that lists both GU and DePaul as T10. GU was really 10 and DePaul 11. Whew, I feel much better...and you really put me in my place.

No wonder you’re in the 400s. My dog is less myopic.

So quick to point out the bad news that you didn't even bother to read the article you were supposedly citing.

Look I don't care if you want to focus on doom and gloom but if you are going to make a big deal out of passing on bad news then please make an effort to do it accurately.

[TC]

This season probably won't happen so arguing about whether we'll beat out DePaul or not seems a bit silly.

[calhoya]

Jul 10, 2020 8:22:52 GMT -5 aristides said:

Jul 10, 2020 7:05:15 GMT -5 calhoya said:

Funny but so true. This is and should be a "prove it" year for Ewing. Unlike last year when a heralded returning group appeared to guarantee a successful season that imploded on and off the court, this year there are virtually no expectations for success. Ewing has the opportunity against a weaker BE to prove that his desire and determination to be the head coach of this program is matched by his ability. No alpha dog guards competing for the spotlight. No off court distractions. No pronouncements of the Hoyas return to glory. Absolutely no one outside of the most optimistic and dedicated Hoya faithful is expecting any significant success.

Coach-up a group of unheralded players and a handful of veterans and be anointed again as the savior. Fail to do so and while a vocal segment of the shrinking fan base will say it's time for a change, many, including an Administration trying to justify the hiring in the first place, will characterize the year as the restart of a rebuild gone awry through no fault of the coach. As weird as it is, I think that this is actually a real opportunity for the coach to regain some momentum lost a year ago.

Depends on what you mean by "prove it". I think JT Jr. said something along the lines of, "You can whip a mule all you want but it's not going to win the Kentucky Derby". What I'd like to see is reason to hope for the 21-22 season. That means some of the underclassmen really develop and show promise. Wahab is going to get all the playing time he can handle. I want to see that he can be a focal point of the offense by 21-22. I'd love to see some of the freshman look like they could be high impact players for the following season. Hopefully Ewing can also get the team to be better than I expect...but that's going to be tough.

Yes reason for real hope is good enough for me. While that does not mean a Top 3 finish, I think evidence that the young players are developing and older players are improving is necessary. The bar is not that high but look at what Ewing did in the first 5 games after all the transfers last year. Showed some promise and made watching an underdog Hoya team fun--no reason he should not achieve that this year with a team which is hopeully deeper and devoid of super-egos.

Waiting until 2025 as suggested in post above(which I suspect/hope was said in jest) is hard to fathom. Nine years to prove that you can turn around a program? Nine years of being paid in the upper echelon of coaches without proving you merit the job? Ewing was a risk taken by Reed and the Administration. He is paid very well and has basketball hotbed and a beautiful facility in a high visibility conference. Fans have a right to expect that he can justify the hire in 4 years.