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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 7:43:23 GMT -5
One of the more interesting parts to me (although I’m not sure I fully followed it) was in the last 15-20 minutes of the Braswell/Sweetney episode. KB mentioned being on a Zoom recruiting call with Turgeon and a kid in New Zealand Kevin knows (trains?). He said Turgeon, before even talking about “bouncing the ball” discussed financial benefits, like the ability to save stipend money, being introduced to financial advisors, etc. such that “the kids would have $40k put away when graduating”.
I’m not assuming UMCP is the only program to have figured out ways to plays within the rules on this stuff, and I’m guessing they only lead with it to top recruits (Braswell said this kid was a one and done) but thought it was interesting.
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 30, 2020 8:04:19 GMT -5
How impressive was Braswell!?! He seemed to have a great perspective on what It takes to get the program back on track while at the same time providing coach Ewing with the support he needs to get it done.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Jun 30, 2020 8:29:55 GMT -5
One of the more interesting parts to me (although I’m not sure I fully followed it) was in the last 15-20 minutes of the Braswell/Sweetney episode. KB mentioned being on a Zoom recruiting call with Turgeon and a kid in New Zealand Kevin knows (trains?). He said Turgeon, before even talking about “bouncing the ball” discussed financial benefits, like the ability to save stipend money, being introduced to financial advisors, etc. such that “the kids would have $40k put away when graduating”. I’m not assuming UMCP is the only program to have figured out ways to plays within the rules on this stuff, and I’m guessing they only lead with it to top recruits (Braswell said this kid was a one and done) but thought it was interesting. It is a very creative way to play within the rules. Plus, adding bringing in a financial advisor to offer early advice is a great idea that I am sure resonates with many parents.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Jun 30, 2020 8:31:02 GMT -5
How impressive was Braswell!?! He seemed to have a great perspective on what It takes to get the program back on track while at the same time providing coach Ewing with the support he needs to get it done. I hope it is job at GU that he lands, so he can buy that house in the area!
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 30, 2020 10:19:50 GMT -5
How impressive was Braswell!?! He seemed to have a great perspective on what It takes to get the program back on track while at the same time providing coach Ewing with the support he needs to get it done. He is clearly ready to contribute in more ways than one on the staff. Hope it happens. He could be a future backfill for PEIn a few years.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 30, 2020 11:00:26 GMT -5
Not if you get stops on the other side of the ball. The 2007 team erased a double digit deficit in the second half in the elite eight against a more formidable team than Ohio. They held UNC without a field goal for over 10 minutes. Comebacks begin with defense. Exactly. I haven’t had time to hear the podcasts, but some of it sounds like excuses. A few defensive stops here and there, and we win that game. But as Julian put it, the day before the game our starters could not stop our backups running Ohio’s offense and JT3 left the practice session without coming up with a plan. Also, recently, Virginia and Villanova haven’t had a problem running a slow and deliberate offense, compared to Pat’s, to winning records, effective recruiting and getting players to the NBA. It is the player’s responsibility to work to get ready for the next level, not just the coaching staff’s. Finally, an argument can be made that Austin would’ve been better suited for an open, running offense with bad defenses like Pat has. But, Austin never got into good shape until after his last GU game and before the Draft. So, I think that he would tire more easily than under JT3’s offense and therefore decrease his offensive efficiency under Pat’s offense. On the other hand, with his bullish penetrations and his perimeter game, I think Chris would’ve thrived under Pat’s scheme. madgesiq92 and prhoya sorry let me clarify my comments and add context, because they didn’t sound like they were making excuses. This was at around the 50 minute mark of the Kente Korner episode. Bobby Bancroft asked them what game keeps them up at night. They mentioned a couple of games, and then Bobby said what about the Ohio game? For me, that kind of showed that they didn’t feel like they let that game go that they should have won, like some of the other ones they had mentioned. But Chris responded that in hindsight he felt like there weren’t clearly defined roles on that team for players to know what they should be doing in certain situations. And Austin made the comment about it being hard to come back in a tournament game in the Princeton when you’re not pressing. If you listen to it, they don’t sound like they’re making excuses, just making observations about that year’s team. And it’s not like they said they were playing good defense. They were just responding to the question about why that game doesn’t keep them up at night. So they didn’t go into as much depth as Vaughn did in that other interview.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 30, 2020 11:10:16 GMT -5
Exactly. I haven’t had time to hear the podcasts, but some of it sounds like excuses. A few defensive stops here and there, and we win that game. But as Julian put it, the day before the game our starters could not stop our backups running Ohio’s offense and JT3 left the practice session without coming up with a plan. Also, recently, Virginia and Villanova haven’t had a problem running a slow and deliberate offense, compared to Pat’s, to winning records, effective recruiting and getting players to the NBA. It is the player’s responsibility to work to get ready for the next level, not just the coaching staff’s. Finally, an argument can be made that Austin would’ve been better suited for an open, running offense with bad defenses like Pat has. But, Austin never got into good shape until after his last GU game and before the Draft. So, I think that he would tire more easily than under JT3’s offense and therefore decrease his offensive efficiency under Pat’s offense. On the other hand, with his bullish penetrations and his perimeter game, I think Chris would’ve thrived under Pat’s scheme. madgesiq92 and prhoya sorry let me clarify my comments and add context, because they didn’t sound like they were making excuses. This was at around the 50 minute mark of the Kente Korner episode. Bobby Bancroft asked them what game keeps them up at night. They mentioned a couple of games, and then Bobby said what about the Ohio game? For me, that kind of showed that they didn’t feel like they let that game go that they should have won, like some of the other ones they had mentioned. But Chris responded that in hindsight he felt like there weren’t clearly defined roles on that team for players to know what they should be doing in certain situations. And Austin made the comment about it being hard to come back in a tournament game in the Princeton when you’re not pressing. If you listen to it, they don’t sound like they’re making excuses, just making observations about that year’s team. And it’s not like they said they were playing good defense. They were just responding to the question about why that game doesn’t keep them up at night. So they didn’t go into as much depth as Vaughn did in that other interview. Got it, LC, that’s why I wrote that I still hadn’t listened to the podcasts. I’m looking forward to it and many more former players sharing their experiences. The rest of my post was more my opinion re: Austin’s fit with Pat vs with JT3 and what posters have written about it, and re: college offensive style of play preparing players for the NBA.
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Post by hoyainla on Jul 1, 2020 14:34:57 GMT -5
So I have finally caught up on most of the podcasts. This all VERY interesting. There were 2 Zoom calls a few weeks ago where they brought back former players which is where all of these podcasts spawned from. Patrick Ewing Jr. seems to be a big part of this because of his alumni role on staff. While these episodes are full of great stories and info there are a few clear underlying messages in most of these shows. 1. Pat is doing a great job especially this past year and none of this is his fault. 2. We need to recruit the DMV. 3. We need an alum on staff and Waheed is getting thrown under the bus without ever mentioning his name.
What I find fascinating is who these messages are directed at. #1 seems to be directed at the fans that are even mentioning Ewing's seat getting warm. This seems to be the present day method of silencing the fans that are voicing their displeasure here and other platforms. While others alluded to it Mark Thompson flat out came and said it. Instead of intimidating those people at games like they did for JT3 they will use these podcasts. They clearly want to keep this lineage going and don't want to have to replace Ewing because the next in line is not as easy as the previous choices have been. This is not surprising.
#2 and #3 are were it really gets good. Who are they trying to get the message to that an assistant or maybe more needs to go and that some others with Hoyas ties need to be hired. If it was to Ewing I don't think they would be this public about it. They can all reach out to him and respect him too much to throw him under the bus like this. It seems that they are trying to send a clear concerted message to someone else. Shouldn't Ewing have full control in this? Why would they need to do this? 🤔
I hope it all keeps going as we as fans are finally getting a peak behind the curtains.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 1, 2020 15:01:05 GMT -5
So I have finally caught up on most of the podcasts. This all VERY interesting. There were 2 Zoom calls a few weeks ago where they brought back former players which is where all of these podcasts spawned from. Patrick Ewing Jr. seems to be a big part of this because of his alumni role on staff. While these episodes are full of great stories and info there are a few clear underlying messages in most of these shows. 1. Pat is doing a great job especially this past year and none of this is his fault. 2. We need to recruit the DMV. 3. We need an alum on staff and Waheed is getting thrown under the bus without ever mentioning his name. What I find fascinating is who these messages are directed at. #1 seems to be directed at the fans that are even mentioning Ewing's seat getting warm. This seems to be the present day method of silencing the fans that are voicing their displeasure here and other platforms. While others alluded to it Mark Thompson flat out came and said it. Instead of intimidating those people at games like they did for JT3 they will use these podcasts. They clearly want to keep this lineage going and don't want to have to replace Ewing because the next in line is not as easy as the previous choices have been. This is not surprising. #2 and #3 are were it really gets good. Who are they trying to get the message to that an assistant or maybe more needs to go and that some others with Hoyas ties need to be hired. If it was to Ewing I don't think they would be this public about it. They can all reach out to him and respect him too much to throw him under the bus like this. It seems that they are trying to send a clear concerted message to someone else. Shouldn't Ewing have full control in this? Why would they need to do this? 🤔 I hope it all keeps going as we as fans are finally getting a peak behind the curtains. Two things came to my mind from listening to the podcasts related to your points about audience. 1. At least twice (I believe once by Braswell) people mentioned that Ewing was loyal to “his guys”. 2. Someone on Twitter mentioned that the University has a hiring freeze due to the current circumstances.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 1, 2020 15:38:48 GMT -5
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jul 1, 2020 16:51:55 GMT -5
I wonder if they can get Chuck on one of these "Talks".
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 1, 2020 18:11:09 GMT -5
I wonder if they can get Chuck on one of these "Talks". They’ve mentioned a couple times that Iverson is busy doing his thing, so this groundswell of alumni support will start with players like Freeman and Wright and then get Iverson involved once things have been established and the program is more stable (I’m paraphrasing, don’t shoot me that it’s not the exact words they used).
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Post by the_way on Jul 1, 2020 18:43:02 GMT -5
Ewing Jr, wouldn't be involved with these interviews if there was a disconnect with the program.
We have some alums who are in the coaching profession and who wouldn't mind having a job at G-town. Okay. Nice upgrade in the profession. So there is some incentive besides just helping the program. This is a business.
This is Ewing's team and his program. Right or wrong, he has to decide who he wants to hire. Who he is most comfortable with at his side.
We all are fans, alums and non-alums alike. We all have our own suggestions of what would make the program excel.
Braswell has top guys he could bring to G-town? Really? Does he have to be an assistant to help push them to G-town? That is where the help is needed.
If we have alumns with connects to local kids, do they have to have a job with us for the kids to be pushed to at least seriously consider G-town?
Ewing looked out for Braswell in helping him coming back and get his degree. So there is a connection.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jul 1, 2020 18:53:58 GMT -5
Ewing Jr, wouldn't be involved with these interviews if there was a disconnect with the program. We have some alums who are in the coaching profession and who wouldn't mind having a job G-town. Okay. Nice upgrade in the profession. So there is some incentive besides just helping the program. This is a business. This is Ewing's team and his program. Right or wrong, he has to decide he wants to hire. Who he is most comfortable with at his side. We all are fans, alums and non-alums alike. We all have our own suggestions of what would make the program excel. Braswell has top guys he could bring to G-town? Really? Does he have to be an assistant to help push them to G-town? That is where the help is needed. If we have alumns with connects to local kids, do they have to have a job with us for the kids to be pushed to at least seriously consider G-town? Ewing looked out for Braswell in helping him coming back and get his degree. So there is a connection. Totally agree, Way. I've listened to all of the podcasts, etc. I thought the same re PE Jr., the potential motivation of the alumni, and their ability to help without being assistants. One thing not discussed, is thoughts on why the defense is so poor or constructive analysis on how to improve it beyond getting hard-nosed players to play. I'm glad that players want to help the program (and avoid losing bets to Nova alumni they know), support Pat, etc., but it's make or break time for Patrick. Actions speak louder than words (for all of us).
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Post by the_way on Jul 1, 2020 19:22:44 GMT -5
Ewing Jr, wouldn't be involved with these interviews if there was a disconnect with the program. We have some alums who are in the coaching profession and who wouldn't mind having a job G-town. Okay. Nice upgrade in the profession. So there is some incentive besides just helping the program. This is a business. This is Ewing's team and his program. Right or wrong, he has to decide he wants to hire. Who he is most comfortable with at his side. We all are fans, alums and non-alums alike. We all have our own suggestions of what would make the program excel. Braswell has top guys he could bring to G-town? Really? Does he have to be an assistant to help push them to G-town? That is where the help is needed. If we have alumns with connects to local kids, do they have to have a job with us for the kids to be pushed to at least seriously consider G-town? Ewing looked out for Braswell in helping him coming back and get his degree. So there is a connection. Totally agree, Way. I've listened to all of the podcasts, etc. I thought the same re PE Jr., the potential motivation of the alumni, and their ability to help without being assistants. One thing not discussed, is thoughts on why the defense is so poor or constructive analysis on how to improve it beyond getting hard-nosed players to play. I'm glad that players want to help the program (and avoid losing bets to Nova alumni they know), support Pat, etc., but it's make or break time for Patrick. Actions speak louder than words (for all of us). I listened to the Braswell and Sweetney episode. Braswell made a good point about Ewing's 3rd year team before the chaos. He said he thought had the group stuck together this year, they would have been dominant going into year 4. I don't know about dominant, but on paper, I think we are an NCAA team next year. He also raised a good point in that now Ewing has to rebuild again, and he doesn't have much time like you mentioned. Sweetney made the biggest point of all: He said he knew for a fact that people in the local recruiting area are mad. They feel some kind of way with G-town and that needs to be repaired. Now there are politics when it comes to the DMV recruiting. A lot of the kids they mentioned (outside of Trimble), didn't go to Maryland as well. Maryland did land Stix, Morsell, etc. Remember, JTIII had former players on his staff. Recruiters hyped to have ties to the area (Broadus). But then it was the offense that was the problem, so they say. I don't know what the answer is other than Ewing has to win. Kids want to play in the NBA or at the very least, play for a winner. Even with good relations in the area for recruits, G-town is a hard sell right now. This is where former alumni can help put in a good word for us. Don't know if they aren't doing it already.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jul 1, 2020 19:32:18 GMT -5
Totally agree, Way. I've listened to all of the podcasts, etc. I thought the same re PE Jr., the potential motivation of the alumni, and their ability to help without being assistants. One thing not discussed, is thoughts on why the defense is so poor or constructive analysis on how to improve it beyond getting hard-nosed players to play. I'm glad that players want to help the program (and avoid losing bets to Nova alumni they know), support Pat, etc., but it's make or break time for Patrick. Actions speak louder than words (for all of us). I listened to the Braswell and Sweetney episode. Braswell made a good point about Ewing's 3rd year team before the chaos. He said he thought had the group stuck together this year, they would have been dominant going into year 4. I don't know about dominant, but on paper, I think we are an NCAA team next year. He also raised a good point in that now Ewing has to rebuild again, and he doesn't have much time like you mentioned. Sweetney made the biggest point of all: He said he knew for a fact that people in the local recruiting area are mad. They feel some kind of way with G-town and that needs to be repaired. Now there are politics when it comes to the DMV recruiting. A lot of the kids they mentioned (outside of Trimble), didn't go to Maryland as well. Maryland did land Stix, Morsell, etc. Remember, JTIII had former players on his staff. Recruiters hyped to have ties to the area (Broadus). But then it was the offense that was the problem, so they say. I don't know what the answer is other than Ewing has to win. Kids want to play in the NBA or at the very least, play for a winner. Even with good relations in the area for recruits, G-town is a hard sell right now. This is where former alumni can help put in a good word for us. Don't know if they aren't doing it already. I agree that the best way to get things back on track is just by winning. Unfortunately next years team doesn’t exactly look like a world beater (though perhaps we’ll be pleasantly surprised). Until Coach Ewing has the roster he wants, you’re going to have to kiss a couple rings. One of the easiest way to get capital amongst AAU/HS coaches is by taking kids on their program for whom Georgetown is a bit of a reach. Given that we’re taking four guys that are unranked or on the verge of being unranked in the 2020 class, I wish we had used one of those scholarships on a kid from Dematha or Gonzaga. For example Paul Smith would have been a perfect candidate- three star PF heading to ETSU next year. Couldve established a good rapport with Dematha’s staff and also filled an area of need with a guy who didn’t have much high major attention. I hope we’re smarter with our offers in the future, don’t think landing random guys in the south is going to change anything for us unless they turn out to be secret super stars.
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Post by TC on Jul 1, 2020 19:37:45 GMT -5
So I have finally caught up on most of the podcasts. This all VERY interesting. There were 2 Zoom calls a few weeks ago where they brought back former players which is where all of these podcasts spawned from. Patrick Ewing Jr. seems to be a big part of this because of his alumni role on staff. While these episodes are full of great stories and info there are a few clear underlying messages in most of these shows. 1. Pat is doing a great job especially this past year and none of this is his fault. 2. We need to recruit the DMV. 3. We need an alum on staff and Waheed is getting thrown under the bus without ever mentioning his name. I found that fascinating too - the Braswell/Sweetney episode had tons of praise for Robert Kirby, there was a sort of acknowledgement that Louis Orr was Pat's guy, and then no one mentioned Waheed but the crux of the pod was outright lobbying for an alum presence on the staff, if not complete alum takeover.
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Post by the_way on Jul 1, 2020 20:27:34 GMT -5
Orr is a veteran,former Big East head coach with experience. He is probably Ewing's sounding board. When Ewing first arrived he was a perfect hire given that Ewing not only didn't have head coaching experience, he had no college coaching experience at all. That is Ewing's guy. They've been boys since their NBA playing days. H
We know what Kirby brings to the table. He helps expand or keep the Georgetown brand alive in regions outside of the DMV. Which is important too. JT2 built a National power. Guys like Ashanti Cook and Bowman came to G-town because G-town basketball had a following in Los Angeles.
Ewing's two biggest issues: 1) talent retention with recruits from high school and 2) defense. He can keep the role players. He has recruited role players who have the intangibles, grit, and toughness. He has done well with transfers too: Malinowski, Yurts, Allen.
Blair has developed and Pickett gradually found his niche. Q looks good so far, and Tim showed a little bit. Other than that, he has struck out with guys from high school for one reason or another.
Defense. Gosh, something has to be done with defense. We talk about what Georgetown means, getting back to what we need to be, former players,the Princeton offense, but man! What is the one thing G-town has been known for historically: DEFENSE! What is going on with Ewing and our defense?
Frankly, no matter how much talent you recruit, you still gotta play some defense. Ewing needs to fix that more than anything. We can put up points, but so can the other team playing against us. lol
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 1, 2020 21:34:24 GMT -5
Braswell has top guys he could bring to G-town? Really? Does he have to be an assistant to help push them to G-town? That is where the help is needed. Braswell said he was close to the parent or coach of a few players around Baltimore. From that perspective, I think there’s a big difference between him saying “hey you should check out Georgetown” and “hey you know me and trust me, come play for me at Georgetown”. Similarly, I worry that people are going to suddenly expect Freeman to funnel players to Georgetown. That’s not his job. His job is to coach kids at DeMatha. He could suggest that players should look at Georgetown and he could hype the school, but in the end his job is to look out for their best interests and uphold the DeMatha program. After a few years of experience, if he had a job at Georgetown, he could leverage his experience as a former player and coach at DeMatha to connect with and recruit future DeMatha players.
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Post by the_way on Jul 1, 2020 22:33:52 GMT -5
Braswell has top guys he could bring to G-town? Really? Does he have to be an assistant to help push them to G-town? That is where the help is needed. Braswell said he was close to the parent or coach of a few players around Baltimore. From that perspective, I think there’s a big difference between him saying “hey you should check out Georgetown” and “hey you know me and trust me, come play for me at Georgetown”. Similarly, I worry that people are going to suddenly expect Freeman to funnel players to Georgetown. That’s not his job. His job is to coach kids at DeMatha. He could suggest that players should look at Georgetown and he could hype the school, but in the end his job is to look out for their best interests and uphold the DeMatha program. After a few years of experience, if he had a job at Georgetown, he could leverage his experience as a former player and coach at DeMatha to connect with and recruit future DeMatha players. I don't think anybody is expecting anything from these players. Are there any former players funneling local recruits to G-town right now? However, alumni help sell your program too without being an assistant or hired. It doesn't cost a thing. They went to the program. Players on those podcasts experienced the highs and lows during that stay at the program. They've gone on record saying that G-town is the place. And they are the best to sell the program because they actually experienced it. They might be doing it already, but it is hard sell since we've lost for an extended period of time. These young recruits are too young to know the heyday of JTIII's era. It takes more than that as well. Politics. Recruiting is politics, especially in the local area. JT2 was great at it in his earlier years. He came from it because he was a high school coach.
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