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Post by TC on Jul 2, 2020 7:04:49 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is expecting anything from these players. Are there any former players funneling local recruits to G-town right now? Darrel Owens.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 2, 2020 10:04:08 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is expecting anything from these players. Are there any former players funneling local recruits to G-town right now? On nearly every Instagram Live of Dawg Talk, Freeman gets a question from fans asking if he’s going to get DeMatha players to come to Georgetown now that he’s a coach there.
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Post by the_way on Jul 2, 2020 11:19:23 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is expecting anything from these players. Are there any former players funneling local recruits to G-town right now? Darrel Owens. Kudos to Darrel.
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Post by the_way on Jul 2, 2020 11:38:14 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is expecting anything from these players. Are there any former players funneling local recruits to G-town right now? On nearly every Instagram Live of Dawg Talk, Freeman gets a question from fans asking if he’s going to get DeMatha players to come to Georgetown now that he’s a coach there. Think about it. Since he has put himself out there with these podcasts on discussions about the program's recruiting issues from the local area, that would most likely heighten people's expectations of him.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 2, 2020 11:42:33 GMT -5
On nearly every Instagram Live of Dawg Talk, Freeman gets a question from fans asking if he’s going to get DeMatha players to come to Georgetown now that he’s a coach there. Think about it. Since he has put himself out there with these podcasts on discussions about the program's recruiting issues from the local area, that would most likely heighten people's expectations of him. For sure, I hear you. That’s why in my first post I said that I was worried that people would have unfair expectations of him, but you responded that you didn’t think people had expectations of him. Anyways, my only point is that there is a difference between hyping the program as a former player and recruiting for the program as a former player.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jul 2, 2020 11:45:52 GMT -5
I would love Braswell & Freeman to have a sit down with coach about what they see from other coaches. What are the best pitches? What things are unique? To stand out, it helps knowing what others are pitching. Austin should get to see a lot of that in his current role.
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Post by the_way on Jul 2, 2020 12:03:19 GMT -5
Think about it. Since he has put himself out there with these podcasts on discussions about the program's recruiting issues from the local area, that would most likely heighten people's expectations of him. For sure, I hear you. That’s why in my first post I said that I was worried that people would have unfair expectations of him, but you responded that you didn’t think people had expectations of him. Anyways, my only point is that there is a difference between hyping the program as a former player and recruiting for the program as a former player. He has to be careful with these podcasts. Even if he isn't saying it, what is being said on a show he hosts has an effect.
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Post by TC on Jul 2, 2020 12:12:33 GMT -5
Also, Joe Toumou I think.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 2, 2020 12:13:41 GMT -5
For sure, I hear you. That’s why in my first post I said that I was worried that people would have unfair expectations of him, but you responded that you didn’t think people had expectations of him. Anyways, my only point is that there is a difference between hyping the program as a former player and recruiting for the program as a former player. He has to be careful with these podcasts. Even if he isn't saying it, what is being said on a show he hosts has an effect. Yeah but I think he’s responding appropriately. He always says something to the affect of “I’ll try my best, no promises”.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 2, 2020 12:43:18 GMT -5
I think Dawg Talk is great, and I have enjoyed listening to it. Assuming they continue having regular shows, and that we actually have a basketball season (depending on the pandemic), it will be interesting to see how they handle discussions of the current team. For example, if Dawg Talk had existed this past season, it would have been nearly impossible to have discussions without touching on the departures, etc. Also, given the strong alumni connection, I think it is unlikely we would see much direct criticism from Wright and Freeman, even when it's warranted.
I do not blame them - obviously, they're clearly there to try to build and maintain interest in the program. But, it's easier to do that when you are reminiscing with former players, instead of discussing things that are less rosy. It will be interesting to see how they handle that.
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Post by mdtd on Jul 2, 2020 13:50:03 GMT -5
I would love Braswell & Freeman to have a sit down with coach about what they see from other coaches. What are the best pitches? What things are unique? To stand out, it helps knowing what others are pitching. Austin should get to see a lot of that in his current role. I don't know a ton about recruiting and how everything works in that area, but to me, Braswell should have a spot on the staff in some capacity. Most of the fanbase and former players have mentioned that the staff needs some changing and it would be better for everyone to get an alum on staff. Braswell has coached before, he's an alum which could get more of our fanbase connected AND he could help with DMV recruiting (which has been a need for a while). The only thing other you could ask for is if he can improve the defense. Braswell answers multiple questions that this program has. If he doesn't even get a meeting with coach Ewing, there is some serious disconnect between the staff and the former players. Braswell brings the potential for what our program has needed for a while. It brings some change and gets people more connected. It's probably not reasonable for me to think he'd bring on all four guys he said he could, but if he can even get one, that's an improvement, already. Idk it looks like all wins from my perspective. This seems like a step in the right direction.
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Post by the_way on Jul 2, 2020 14:02:48 GMT -5
I would love Braswell & Freeman to have a sit down with coach about what they see from other coaches. What are the best pitches? What things are unique? To stand out, it helps knowing what others are pitching. Austin should get to see a lot of that in his current role. I don't know a ton about recruiting and how everything works in that area, but to me, Braswell should have a spot on the staff in some capacity. Most of the fanbase and former players have mentioned that the staff needs some changing and it would be better for everyone to get an alum on staff. Braswell has coached before, he's an alum which could get more of our fanbase connected AND he could help with DMV recruiting (which has been a need for a while). The only thing other you could ask for is if he can improve the defense. Braswell answers multiple questions that this program has. If he doesn't even get a meeting with coach Ewing, there is some serious disconnect between the staff and the former players. Braswell brings the potential for what our program has needed for a while. It brings some change and gets people more connected. It's probably not reasonable for me to think he'd bring on all four guys he said he could, but if he can even get one, that's an improvement, already. Idk it looks like all wins from my perspective. This seems like a step in the right direction. Braswell has met with Coach Ewing. Braswell said he was appreciative of how Ewing (and Ewing Jr) helped him reconnect with the school so he could graduate. He said he was present at practice this past season. If there was any form of disconnect, none of that would have taken place.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jul 2, 2020 14:48:31 GMT -5
I believe it was on the podcast by Gene Smith hosting Mark Tillmon and Rev. Mark Thompson (former team manager), that Mark Thompson alluded to the criticism that JT3 suffered via critics online that led to his ouster, and suggested that there was a need for shows like those the team alumni were starting to keep that type of criticism in check. So, I wouldn't expect a ton of objective criticism of Patrick or the program or the defense on any of these shows. While we all want Patrick to be successful, not only for the school, I get the vibe that these podcasts are designed to ensure the program stays in the Georgetown basketball alumni family. That would be fine with me too. I just want to get back to winning.
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Post by the_way on Jul 2, 2020 14:58:28 GMT -5
Haven't watched/listened to Gene's podcast, but Chris and Austin's podcast provided plenty of objective criticism, at least with Braswell's podcast.
JT3's results on the court, his last 2 years, led to his ouster. Now, there was some stuff going on in the media/websites, etc. that was not good and he didn't deserve it. It's good to see now we have some voices out there that are pro-Georgetown, whether it is praise or constructive criticism.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jul 2, 2020 15:58:29 GMT -5
I've said it from the beginning, play better defense and win some games and everyone's happy. Sign me (and the staff) up for some podcasts on how to do that.
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Post by hoyainla on Jul 2, 2020 16:18:35 GMT -5
So I have finally caught up on most of the podcasts. This all VERY interesting. There were 2 Zoom calls a few weeks ago where they brought back former players which is where all of these podcasts spawned from. Patrick Ewing Jr. seems to be a big part of this because of his alumni role on staff. While these episodes are full of great stories and info there are a few clear underlying messages in most of these shows. 1. Pat is doing a great job especially this past year and none of this is his fault. 2. We need to recruit the DMV. 3. We need an alum on staff and Waheed is getting thrown under the bus without ever mentioning his name. I found that fascinating too - the Braswell/Sweetney episode had tons of praise for Robert Kirby, there was a sort of acknowledgement that Louis Orr was Pat's guy, and then no one mentioned Waheed but the crux of the pod was outright lobbying for an alum presence on the staff, if not complete alum takeover. It's almost like Braswell came back and got his degree, with the help of the Ewings, thinking he was going to get the job. Now he's being blocked by someone higher than Ewing and this is the way to pressure them. That is why he was complimentary of two of his future coworkers but not of the guy he would likely replace.
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Post by hoyainla on Jul 2, 2020 16:23:08 GMT -5
Braswell said he was close to the parent or coach of a few players around Baltimore. From that perspective, I think there’s a big difference between him saying “hey you should check out Georgetown” and “hey you know me and trust me, come play for me at Georgetown”. Similarly, I worry that people are going to suddenly expect Freeman to funnel players to Georgetown. That’s not his job. His job is to coach kids at DeMatha. He could suggest that players should look at Georgetown and he could hype the school, but in the end his job is to look out for their best interests and uphold the DeMatha program. After a few years of experience, if he had a job at Georgetown, he could leverage his experience as a former player and coach at DeMatha to connect with and recruit future DeMatha players. I don't think anybody is expecting anything from these players. Are there any former players funneling local recruits to G-town right now? However, alumni help sell your program too without being an assistant or hired. It doesn't cost a thing. They went to the program. Players on those podcasts experienced the highs and lows during that stay at the program. They've gone on record saying that G-town is the place. And they are the best to sell the program because they actually experienced it. They might be doing it already, but it is hard sell since we've lost for an extended period of time. These young recruits are too young to know the heyday of JTIII's era. It takes more than that as well. Politics. Recruiting is politics, especially in the local area. JT2 was great at it in his earlier years. He came from it because he was a high school coach. Chris and Free haven't been exactly complimentary of their time on the Hilltop or after. They do want to see us turn it around because they are local and as they say Georgetown is part of their legacy. It's much easier to sell a player that you will make a difference and help make sure the same thing doesn't happen to them if you are on staff rather than just guiding them toward the program.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 2, 2020 16:51:18 GMT -5
Haven't watched/listened to Gene's podcast, but Chris and Austin's podcast provided plenty of objective criticism, at least with Braswell's podcast. JT3's results on the court, his last 2 years, led to his ouster. Now, there was some stuff going on in the media/websites, etc. that was not good and he didn't deserve it. It's good to see now we have some voices out there that are pro-Georgetown, whether it is praise or constructive criticism. In my opinion, Chris and Austin aren't all that negative or critical. Yes, they certainly provide more candor than they did as players, and they do say some things that are critical, but usually not on anything big outside the context of complaining about things like certain practice routines, etc. Keep in mind, it's also way easier to provide candor on things that happened 10+ years ago, as well. As for JT3, his results certainly led to his firing. That said, there was definitely a strong movement on the Internet against him that was in the works well before his last two years. No, I am not saying it's a conspiracy, but it was pretty clear for a long time that the likes of Casual Hoya and others did their best to make displeasure with JT3 known, and I think that certainly accelerated the way in which fans looked at it. Obviously, you need to give Ewing at least this season, but thus far, his results have been worse than JT3's, even in those last two seasons, and yet, the fan outrage over that is incredibly muted compared to the way things were even in 2016, right after we had been a 4 seed in the tournament. And, I am not even counting the off-court problems, including the 4 guys who left this past season, as well as the revolving door of guys and/or decommits. So why the difference? I think it's a few things. First, I think JT3 handled the media terribly. He rarely did interviews, he was largely inaccessible, and he ran the program in a tight manner. JT3 could have made more efforts to interact with fans, alumni, and the media - granting interviews, etc. But, he didn't. When Ewing was first hired, I thought he did a much better job than JT3 on this, but since then he's backed off a bit. Second, I think fans were frustrated at our lack of NCAA success, despite having very good regular season teams. While I think that's a silly reason to dismiss a coach (an argument I made countless times on HoyaTalk), a lot of fans disagreed, and thought changing coaches was the answer to that. At least, so far, that's not the case, as we aren't even close to the NCAAs. Third, I do think there was some frustration with the Thompson's hold on the program, but we all know that JT3's departure did not do much to change that dynamic. Lastly, Ewing is the greatest Georgetown player ever. Other than John Thompson Jr. there is probably nobody held in higher esteem by Georgetown fans, especially those who lived through the 1980s. To some extent, I think that shields Ewing from a lot of criticism that any other coach would get if they had the same results. So, I do think the media/Internet had a major role, and I think JT3 himself is to blame for mishandling it. In a theoretical world where there was no Internet or social media, I am pretty confident JT3 would have been coaching at least through 2017-2018, if not longer. Similarly, I think if Ewing ever gets dismissed, it'll be accelerated by the media and social media. If we have another season like last year (and that's very likely given how young a team we have), I think it's going to get ugly around here fast.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 2, 2020 17:10:20 GMT -5
Great post 2003. I'd also add that for many, the very public and embarrassing flame-outs in the NCAA tournament are less acceptable then not even making the NCAAs. Personally I disagree but the embarrassment was definitely strong after FGCU, Ohio and Davidson which were the major events leading to the fanbase turning on JT3.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jul 2, 2020 17:17:12 GMT -5
This has been gone over time after time. JT3 inherited a team in 2004 that had the ingredients to take it to a Final Four in 2007. That allowed him to recruit All Americans, 4 and 5 stars. He then ran it into the ground by the time he was ousted. The cupboard was bare and the recruiting cycle virtually completed by the time Ewing took over. I believe he did well with what he had, but the dismissals/defections of the last year are on him. I had high hopes for those guys this coming year as well. I think Ewing gets a longer leash than ordinary based on his relative inexperience coming in (the school's choice to hire him), and his stature as our greatest player ever. I want to see the defense markedly improved this year. I think he can identify talent. Show some potential. Coach some kids up. If that happens, I think he gets an extension and I will continue to believe, with his work ethic, that he can build a winner. If I was in his shoes, I'd use some of my exceptional compensation to find someone to coach some defense. That's the easiest road to improvement. We have been among the worst in the country. Network with his mentors and find a defensive scheme that works.
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