blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 25, 2021 19:19:33 GMT -5
I think Q leaving actually makes are offense even more palatable for Baldwin.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 25, 2021 19:48:15 GMT -5
Absolutely. He would have freedom to take it outside or to the rim.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 27, 2021 0:47:05 GMT -5
I think Q leaving actually makes are offense even more palatable for Baldwin. Lol Pat Baldwin Jr does not know or care about Qudus Wahab.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 28, 2021 11:17:48 GMT -5
Is the fact he hasn’t committed yet a good sign? Clearly if he wanted Duke or play under his father he would have made that choice by now? Perhaps he wants another situation?
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Mar 28, 2021 12:30:51 GMT -5
I think Q leaving actually makes are offense even more palatable for Baldwin. Lol Pat Baldwin Jr does not know or care about Qudus Wahab. Maybe not but staff can now show Baldwin how the offense won’t be forcing balls inside as much as it was.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 28, 2021 16:46:00 GMT -5
Lol Pat Baldwin Jr does not know or care about Qudus Wahab. Maybe not but staff can now show Baldwin how the offense won’t be forcing balls inside as much as it was. The cynic in me says that they could still force it inside....
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 28, 2021 18:41:16 GMT -5
Maybe not but staff can now show Baldwin how the offense won’t be forcing balls inside as much as it was. The cynic in me says that they could still force it inside.... 😂
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Post by vv83 on Apr 2, 2021 7:21:44 GMT -5
This article seems to be largely speculation, but Curran does indicate that he has some degree of sourcing on this rumor. I can't see getting our hopes up based on this, but it is still fun to imagine the possibility! hilltophoops.substack.com/p/ewing-georgetown-patrick-baldwin-chris-lykesDuring some game on TV recently (it might have been a high school game on ESPN), one of the announcers (a high school hoops recruiting guy) said that the consensus was that Baldwin would not end up at Duke. He did not speculate on where he might end up playing, but this was the first time I heard/read anyone say that Duke seemed to be out of the mix.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 2, 2021 7:54:00 GMT -5
This article seems to be largely speculation, but Curran does indicate that he has some degree of sourcing on this rumor. I can't see getting our hopes up based on this, but it is still fun to imagine the possibility! hilltophoops.substack.com/p/ewing-georgetown-patrick-baldwin-chris-lykesDuring some game on TV recently (it might have been a high school game on ESPN), one of the announcers (a high school hoops recruiting guy) said that the consensus was that Baldwin would not end up at Duke. He did not speculate on where he might end up playing, but this was the first time I heard/read anyone say that Duke seemed to be out of the mix. Well if this happens we will need to open up 3 more schollies. I hate running away kids that want to be here but the talent is undeniable. I'm not as high on Lykes but Baldwin is a game changer and we would have expectations of BE championships and deep tourney runs. I'm talk playing on this coming weekend next year.....
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 2, 2021 8:49:40 GMT -5
This article seems to be largely speculation, but Curran does indicate that he has some degree of sourcing on this rumor. I can't see getting our hopes up based on this, but it is still fun to imagine the possibility! hilltophoops.substack.com/p/ewing-georgetown-patrick-baldwin-chris-lykesDuring some game on TV recently (it might have been a high school game on ESPN), one of the announcers (a high school hoops recruiting guy) said that the consensus was that Baldwin would not end up at Duke. He did not speculate on where he might end up playing, but this was the first time I heard/read anyone say that Duke seemed to be out of the mix. Well if this happens we will need to open up 3 more schollies. I hate running away kids that want to be here but the talent is undeniable. I'm not as high on Lykes but Baldwin is a game changer and we would have expectations of BE championships and deep tourney runs. I'm talk playing on this coming weekend next year..... I know it is early, but you need to work on your math Zeke. With Wahab gone, we would only need 2 scholarships to open up.😉
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 2, 2021 9:20:20 GMT -5
Well if this happens we will need to open up 3 more schollies. I hate running away kids that want to be here but the talent is undeniable. I'm not as high on Lykes but Baldwin is a game changer and we would have expectations of BE championships and deep tourney runs. I'm talk playing on this coming weekend next year..... I know it is early, but you need to work on your math Zeke. With Wahab gone, we would only need 2 scholarships to open up.😉 Well, if Carey comes back we projected to be 1 over, so Q leaving brought us back to 13. It's possible that there's a loophole somewhere, that Carey won't count, that someone else isn't going to be on scholarship etc... But if you think we'd add Lykes + a big man transfer + Baldwin or another forward, it might mean 3 additional departures. With regard to Baldwin, I'm not sure about Curran throwing around "probable" and "likely". I do think we have a legitimate shot. Aminu's guardian has been putting it out there that we have a legitimate chance and there has been some discussion from a historically good source on HoyaReport about Ewing being close to something big. Not sure if Curran is piecing some of this chatter together and reading tea leaves or if he has a separate, reliable source. For right now I am keeping my expectations modest, but I do think we are a legitimate contender for Baldwin and not just a token team on his list. If you're into recruiting, it's worth watching closely this spring.
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Post by alleninxis on Apr 2, 2021 9:24:56 GMT -5
Duke's not happening after both Johnson and Brakefield (AAU teammates left). IF it's not Milwaukee, it's reasonable to think it's now Georgetown. I would think that remains a huge IF.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 2, 2021 9:40:25 GMT -5
I know it is early, but you need to work on your math Zeke. With Wahab gone, we would only need 2 scholarships to open up.😉 Well, if Carey comes back we projected to be 1 over, so Q leaving brought us back to 13. It's possible that there's a loophole somewhere, that Carey won't count, that someone else isn't going to be on scholarship etc... But if you think we'd add Lykes + a big man transfer + Baldwin or another forward, it might mean 3 additional departures. With regard to Baldwin, I'm not sure about Curran throwing around "probable" and "likely". I do think we have a legitimate shot. Aminu's guardian has been putting it out there that we have a legitimate chance and there has been some discussion from a historically good source on HoyaReport about Ewing being close to something big. Not sure if Curran is piecing some of this chatter together and reading tea leaves or if he has a separate, reliable source. For right now I am keeping my expectations modest, but I do think we are a legitimate contender for Baldwin and not just a token team on his list. If you're into recruiting, it's worth watching closely this spring. I was not counting a big man transfer since there were no names thrown around in the article. But okay that would make 3.
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Post by calhoya on Apr 2, 2021 9:48:40 GMT -5
I am curious if the folks here would actually support forcing out a player to make room for a 4* or 5* talent. In asking this question I am assuming that no one else wants to leave and that the only way to open a scholarship for another player would be to take one away from an existing player.
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Post by gojeffgoroyunder7 on Apr 2, 2021 9:58:33 GMT -5
I am curious if the folks here would actually support forcing out a player to make room for a 4* or 5* talent. In asking this question I am assuming that no one else wants to leave and that the only way to open a scholarship for another player would be to take one away from an existing player. It's a business -- and a big business at that -- and every top school does it if need be. Your job is to win, and if you are at Georgetown, you can't break the rules in trying to do so. This isn't against the rules, so it's fair game. Just like student-athletes can leave whenever they want/back out on their commitment to a school, we are now in a place where schools are telling players to go pack their bags. Again, it's a business.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 2, 2021 10:04:51 GMT -5
I am curious if the folks here would actually support forcing out a player to make room for a 4* or 5* talent. In asking this question I am assuming that no one else wants to leave and that the only way to open a scholarship for another player would be to take one away from an existing player. My understanding (and I could well be wrong) is that athletic scholarships are one-year renewable "contracts," and either party has the option to extend or terminate at the end of the year. We like to think that Georgetown is different from other D-1 schools, but in reality if GU is trying to compete with them, GU may have to be ruthless in its handling of that issue. And we, as alums/fans/followers can agree or disagree, even vehemently, with those decisions...but it become the price of admission at this level of competition.
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Post by kbones17 on Apr 2, 2021 10:32:21 GMT -5
I am curious if the folks here would actually support forcing out a player to make room for a 4* or 5* talent. In asking this question I am assuming that no one else wants to leave and that the only way to open a scholarship for another player would be to take one away from an existing player. My understanding (and I could well be wrong) is that athletic scholarships are one-year renewable "contracts," and either party has the option to extend or terminate at the end of the year. We like to think that Georgetown is different from other D-1 schools, but in reality if GU is trying to compete with them, GU may have to be ruthless in its handling of that issue. And we, as alums/fans/followers can agree or disagree, even vehemently, with those decisions...but it become the price of admission at this level of competition. In my opinion the circumstances of the original pitch and recruitment matter. I’d like to think that if we sold a recruit of the value of the Georgetown education/degree and that we emphasized the “ball stops bouncing” someday and that we wouldn’t just turn around and say “you’re out” with no notice. It just seems to me that cutthroat perspective is not compatible with the Georgetown “family” way. I realize that other high major teams do operate like this. Now, we did sign some seemingly lightly recruited guys late last year (who may not have even visited campus) in which case it’s possible the “pitch” was presented differently.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 2, 2021 10:44:20 GMT -5
I am curious if the folks here would actually support forcing out a player to make room for a 4* or 5* talent. In asking this question I am assuming that no one else wants to leave and that the only way to open a scholarship for another player would be to take one away from an existing player. My understanding (and I could well be wrong) is that athletic scholarships are one-year renewable "contracts," and either party has the option to extend or terminate at the end of the year. We like to think that Georgetown is different from other D-1 schools, but in reality if GU is trying to compete with them, GU may have to be ruthless in its handling of that issue. And we, as alums/fans/followers can agree or disagree, even vehemently, with those decisions...but it become the price of admission at this level of competition. Terps opted to offer guaranteed lifetime scholarships. But I don't know how this works with NCAA rules. And don't know if GU opted in to the rule. In 2015, the NCAA Division I “Power 5” Schools implemented a rule that has the effect of “protecting” Division I student-athletes from having their athletic scholarship cancelled or not renewed for any athletics reason. Quite simply, a coach cannot take away a scholarship for poor athletic performance. informedathlete.com/the-facts-about-guaranteed-multi-year-ncaa-di-scholarships/www.washingtonpost.com/sports/maryland-announces-it-will-guarantee-lifetime-scholarships-for-athletes-in-all-sports/2014/08/19/5a785f7a-27eb-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Apr 2, 2021 10:49:23 GMT -5
My understanding is that scholarships are renewable on an annual basis. There is no question in my mind that the school can essentially force a player out, but I am more interested in knowing whether the Hoya fans here would support that action if it is to bring in a better player who might be here for one year. Perhaps that is all part of the new reality.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Apr 2, 2021 11:00:32 GMT -5
Unsure if GU was even ever asked if they wanted to opt into that rule; BE is not a Power 5 conference.
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