hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jul 9, 2005 15:46:59 GMT -5
Really brief:
Tombs win, 71-63. Thornton, Wallace, Egerson, Green and Ewing started. Spann, Sapp, and 3 guys I didn't know (one apparently from Coppin state) were on the bench. Other team had Pops, Omar Williams, Tony Skinn, and the fat guy from GMU (Jai or something).
All stats VERY approximate
Egerson - 15ish, bunch of boards Sapp - 7 Thornton - 15 Spann - 3 Green - upper teens Wallace - 7? Ewing - honestly I lost track, maybe 10?
Ewing fouled out mid 2nd half.
Egerson was a little lazy at first but got into it later - he's the best of our incoming class. Good rebounding.
Thornton took some very bad shots, but was steady with the ball and made 3 threes, rest were FTs.
Sapp got 5 of his points on back to back possesions, 3, then a steal and layup. Some nice passes too.
Green was Green, coulda been more aggressive though.
Ewing took some bad Js, but looked good handling the ball and had some nice dunks.
Wallace ran the offense well, hit a 3, some nice layups.
Spann - nice turnaround J, looked good handling the ball, but may need some work on offense
Oh yea, I saw JTIII, his daddy, , and I think David Hawkins and Dermarr Johnson (maybe). Cook, Bowman, Hibbs and Crawford were watching at various times.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jul 9, 2005 16:06:23 GMT -5
How many games have you seen? Because if this was your first one I don't know how you can flat out claim Egerson is the best incoming recruit after 1 game. He may be, but I was just wondering if this opinion is based on 1 game or a numberof games.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jul 9, 2005 16:10:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't take it as gospel - the only guy I've seen play more than once is Thornton. But basically everyone who has seen them play multiple times thinks Egerson will have the biggest impact on the team next year, and even just this one game was enough to confirm that for me.
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Post by idhoya on Jul 9, 2005 16:13:17 GMT -5
A guru I talked to seems to think Egerson is the best and has really come on this past year.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jul 9, 2005 16:17:14 GMT -5
The early reports definitely point towards Egerson. I don't think he'll displace Owens at the 3, but his physical maturity (he's also a year older than the other recruits) should let him contribute early. Funny that he's the least known of anyone in the class.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jul 9, 2005 16:19:34 GMT -5
It's good to hear that he's playing consistently well and living up to that 2 time Player of the Year Award in Delaware.
I saw him and Jessie play in the Capital Classic and they both had great games. Marc looked like he may be more able to contribute immediately than the others, but I wasn't sure that he has the most potential.
I was really impressed with Jessie's penetration and passing ability that game but I can't really make any serious claims about who is best after seeing only 2 of our incoming recruits play once in a high school all star game.
Hopefully they all turn out to be very solid and can provide some good depth this season.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 9, 2005 16:30:48 GMT -5
This is the 1st game that I've heard of Tay Spann being in - was he impressive enough to earn the "Air Georgia" nickname that I have waiting for him if he lives up to some of the hype that's been on this board?
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Post by RaChi8 on Jul 9, 2005 16:33:24 GMT -5
They had Travis Garrison (UMD) too.
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Post by RaChi8 on Jul 9, 2005 16:39:44 GMT -5
This is the 1st game that I've heard of Tay Spann being in - was he impressive enough to earn the "Air Georgia" nickname that I have waiting for him if he lives up to some of the hype that's been on this board? He looked very nervous: extra dribbling, pump faking, reaching on defense and didn't look very comfortable at all. He fouled out early in the 2nd half. You have to assume he was pressing; I'm sure he really wanted to impress the home crowd, which was sizable. And I don't think Ege was lazy in the first half. He just plays within the flow - doesn't force his game. He's a very savy and polished player. Does not look like a freshman on the court. Jeff held his own against Pops.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jul 9, 2005 16:47:15 GMT -5
I saw him and Jessie play in the Capital Classic and they both had great games. Marc looked like he may be more able to contribute immediately than the others, but I wasn't sure that he has the most potential. . You're exactly right. Marc is the most game ready of our freshmen, but someone like Sapp is going to be a major contributor this season. Spann will be fine this year but may have a tough time getting minutes because of the logjam at his spot. Thornton has very good upside too, if he can pick his spots and so forth. This will be a serviceable class for us this season, but they won't be asked to do as much as the Green class right off the bat.
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Post by dejoyahoya on Jul 9, 2005 16:50:38 GMT -5
did Pops have NBA game?
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Post by JB5 on Jul 9, 2005 16:53:04 GMT -5
Just got back from the game. I agree with the posters who said Egerson looked best among the frosh. He played under control, rebounded well and played D. Thornton took a couple of bad shots, but has a nice-looking stroke and a decent handle. Sapp played well, but didn't get into the offense as much. Spann is athletic, runs the floor well, but didn't seem as polished as the others, at least today. I understand this was his first game, so maybe that's understandable.
As for the others, Green played like Green, definitely the best player on the court. Wallace got most of the minutes at the point. He seems to be working on his penetration. Good news for next year if he can do it against Big East opponents and not just what was basically a pick up squad. PE Jr. had some nice moves, tough play under the basket, got some boards and played strong defense on the big guy from GW. Too bad he's not elegible for this season.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 9, 2005 17:41:04 GMT -5
I feel bad for the coach of the Tombs, He has to find minutes for seven Hoyas on the team as well as a couple of other guys. It was hard to get a flow with all that substitution and its going to take awhile for the chemistry to build. That being said as it stands right now the Tombs team is clearly the most talented of all the teams I have seen in this year's KL. More details on my view of today's games later.
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Post by vagrant on Jul 9, 2005 17:49:46 GMT -5
question for those of you who have seen the freshman in the KL: are your evaluations based on what you are seeing, or are you projecting how they would fit into a Princetown type offense? If not the latter, would one of you try to project, difficult as it may be, please.
thanks - your reports are invaluable to those of us on the other side of the fly over states [the red ones].
-vagrant
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 9, 2005 17:52:23 GMT -5
Jeff more than held his own. He outplayed him as far as I was concerned. Jeff did most of his offensive damage in the first half. But in the second half he was dominant on the boards. In terms of an all around game Jeff is superior to Pops. He put the ball on the floor with ease driving by his man as well as hitting his jumpers. What he didn't do was post up to score. That and the pull up jumper off the bounce are the two areas he has to work on to get to that "special" level.
Pops, as well all know, is athletic as hell and was battling all game long and rebounding and blocking shots. Threw down a couple of nasty dunks too. But he perhaps has a worse post up game than Jeff and still doesn't appear to have amy perimeter skills. He isn't as tall as Jeff either. The height difference isn't that much that it bothered him in the game but the point is that if he is going to make a living at the NBA level he is going to have to really work his tail off. He needs to get a bit of a jump shot and he needs more legit post moves. Adding some more weight wouldn't be a bad idea either. That being said he is a very good and exciting player.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 9, 2005 18:01:12 GMT -5
Lets remember guys that these frosh today played against a team with a bigger and deeper and superior front court (in terms of guys playing in the paint) and a team with a few guys who have played in the NCAA tournament. And the George Mason cats who haven't made it to the tourney are still very good college players with much more experience than ANYONE on the Tombs. If someone had told me ahead of time that the Tombs was going up against essentially a local college All Star team and that Ewing wouldn't hit his shots (finished with 8 points) and that he would hardly play because of fouls, I would have bet against the Tombs. That they won without Jeff Green having to score 40 points says a lot about those guys IMO.
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Post by FLHoya on Jul 9, 2005 18:21:18 GMT -5
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Jeff more than held his own. He outplayed him as far as I was concerned. Jeff did most of his offensive damage in the first half. But in the second half he was dominant on the boards. In terms of an all around game Jeff is superior to Pops. He put the ball on the floor with ease driving by his man as well as hitting his jumpers. What he didn't do was post up to score. That and the pull up jumper off the bounce are the two areas he has to work on to get to that "special" level.
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Oh yeah, I definitely agree. I especially liked the play in the second half when Jeff blew by Pops on the perimeter and went right down the center of the lane for a layup--that was really something.
But what made my afternoon was the play near the end of the second half when--depending on your perspective:
a. Pops Mensah-Bonsu threw down a ferocious dunk on Jon Wallace OR
b. Jon Wallace unsuccessfully tried to low bridge a guy about 8 inches and 50-60 pounds heavier than him.
Either way that was a moment we'll all cherish forever. Jon will think twice before trying THAT again. ;D
And clearly the guy coaching the opposing team got dressed in the dark this morning. Just saying.
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Post by RaChi8 on Jul 9, 2005 18:33:53 GMT -5
Pops was facing defensive double teams, but Jeff won the one-on -one offensive battles consistently.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 9, 2005 19:38:22 GMT -5
Pops was facing defensive double teams, but Jeff won the one-on -one offensive battles consistently. I don't recall the Tombs making Pops a priority with double teams. At times they would double team the opponent in the paint with the ball, but that was done on occassion for all the big men on the opposing team. Not just Pops. The opposition had more bulk and would often bully their way into the paint. Jeff had the tougher job because at times with Ewing's foul trouble and not much contribution from #9, Jeff had to battle all those dudes by himself
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Post by RaChi8 on Jul 9, 2005 20:07:11 GMT -5
The Tombs coach called for the double team several times and the wing defenders throughout the game crashed down on Pops when he was engaged in the post. This lead to alot of loose balls and scrums (sp?) under the offensive basket. Sapp and Ege were very effective in this regard; without this strategy I think Jeff would have been facing similar foul trouble issues as Patrick. Pops' activity forces defensive contact, especially if he is allowed one-on-one coverage in the post.
Jeff had an excellent game, I'm not taking anything from him (not at all - he handled his business on both ends, and was the obvious stronger player), but at the same token, I want to acknowledge that Pops is a good player that was game planned for.
I was surprised at how ineffective Garrison was and I have been pleasantly surprised by defensive skills, as well as, desire to play solid D by our incoming freshman.
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