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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 30, 2019 15:28:22 GMT -5
Does Yurtseven count as a top guy coming in? His name never seems to come up in any discussion of recruiting, but Coach certainly landed a big time talent with him. Yes, I do think Yurtseven was a major get. That said, I do think that the transfer/graduate transfer market is an entirely different one, and thus, people are not going to see it in the same way. Plus, that market is a lot less stable in the long run, meaning that guys like Yurtseven are more the exception, than the rule. It's *extremely* rare for a guy as talented as Yurtseven - who actually performed well in a major conference - to transfer. You do occasionally get 5 star types who transfer (see Josh Smith), but usually it's because of an issue with coaching, injury, playing time, etc. Yurtseven was an extremely effective player at NC State and left anyway. But it's super rare to get a really good performer who transfers and willingly sits out a year even though he got a lot of playing time, and did well. That said, I do think Ewing has done a really good job in this area. Yurtseven is a fantastic pull, obviously. Moreover, I think Greg Malinowski was also a nice pull (even if his contribution was up and down), and I am confident Terrell Allen will be a really good addition to the team, as well. So I'd say Ewing has done a better-than-average job on the transfer market, for sure. I do think that what Georgetown has to offer is probably more appealing to guys who are a bit more mature, who have already been somewhere else, and can see what Georgetown has to offer, than 16 or 17 year olds who approach recruiting from an entirely different perspective. At this point, I think the only thing that could significantly boost our success is an NCAA bid and success once we get there. The "narrative" of a program on the rise has already been sewn in the sports media. Now, it's our turn to act on it and bring it to the next level. If we do that, Ewing will have a much easier time closing with the top 100 kids.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 30, 2019 15:46:41 GMT -5
Does Yurtseven count as a top guy coming in? His name never seems to come up in any discussion of recruiting, but Coach certainly landed a big time talent with him. Yes, I do think Yurtseven was a major get. That said, I do think that the transfer/graduate transfer market is an entirely different one, and thus, people are not going to see it in the same way. Plus, that market is a lot less stable in the long run, meaning that guys like Yurtseven are more the exception, than the rule. It's *extremely* rare for a guy as talented as Yurtseven - who actually performed well in a major conference - to transfer. You do occasionally get 5 star types who transfer (see Josh Smith), but usually it's because of an issue with coaching, injury, playing time, etc. Yurtseven was an extremely effective player at NC State and left anyway. But it's super rare to get a really good performer who transfers and willingly sits out a year even though he got a lot of playing time, and did well. That said, I do think Ewing has done a really good job in this area. Yurtseven is a fantastic pull, obviously. Moreover, I think Greg Malinowski was also a nice pull (even if his contribution was up and down), and I am confident Terrell Allen will be a really good addition to the team, as well. So I'd say Ewing has done a better-than-average job on the transfer market, for sure. I do think that what Georgetown has to offer is probably more appealing to guys who are a bit more mature, who have already been somewhere else, and can see what Georgetown has to offer, than 16 or 17 year olds who approach recruiting from an entirely different perspective. At this point, I think the only thing that could significantly boost our success is an NCAA bid and success once we get there. The "narrative" of a program on the rise has already been sewn in the sports media. Now, it's our turn to act on it and bring it to the next level. If we do that, Ewing will have a much easier time closing with the top 100 kids. Galen Alexander also, who is technically a Jr. college grad but also kind of a transfer. I believe he will be a significant contributor this year.
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Post by RBHoya on Oct 30, 2019 20:18:19 GMT -5
First, congrats to Dante, who I will root hard for.
On the surface it's a reach. Sub 6 foot guys who are fast and who can score aren't uncommon. There'd be a 2 star guy with that profile available in spring for sure, whether it's Harris or someone else. It didn't seem like we were close on any other more highly ranked guards, but it also doesn't seem like there'd be a rush of high major competition for his services. Most of his offers were low majors, and it's hard to imagine a scenario where there would be be a big rush of attention to him in the next few months while he played at a new, small, private high school in rural Tennessee.
So the real question is, do you trust that our staff has the ability to see something in a player that no other high major coach saw? I think there's some evidence to point to the fact that they have a good eye for identifying talent, but the track record isn't so strong that it's beyond question.
There's also the perspective that they may not think he needs to be a star. Sure, we (and they) would have preferred a Top 100, 4 star type guard. But after Davis fell through, it probably wasn't going to happen this class. So there's an argument to be made that you roll the dice on a kid you like and hope he's a capable backup and a good fit with the team culture and then you take another crack at a highly ranked kid in 2021. Sure we could have waited until spring and hoped that we'd be in better position by then to land a decommit. But I think the odds of that are a little overstated sometimes based on a couple of successes we had earlier in Pat's tenure. They may never expect Harris to be more than an 8th man, and they may be ok with that. I also think that his profile as a small, quick scorer at the point fits what the staff is trying to do, just as Davis did. I think they are willing to trade off some defensive ability for speed/scoring/playmaking, knowing that they've got guys like Wilson, Tim I and Qudus protecting the rim behind them.
I also want to point out that though a lot of the talk about recruiting strategy on hoyatalk discusses "Pat", I really think Louis Orr is architecting a lot of this. Look at his team's at Seton Hall, they were filled with guys like Dante Harris. Guys who were underrecruited, in some cases unknown, a little too small, etc. but who played hard. Ultimately they were able to make their way to the tourney a few times, but the overall lack of talent wasn't quite enough to hack it in the old Big East and eventually Hall moved on. I feel like the current staff is building a team in that same basic model, but hopefully the ceiling is a little higher at Georgetown and we can keep upgrading our talent level.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Oct 30, 2019 21:43:59 GMT -5
I'm learning to trust this coach more and more every day. You guys have heard me talk about the qualities of all those teams making it to the Final Four over the last three to four years. One of the keys: Heart!
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 31, 2019 20:58:28 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 31, 2019 21:00:23 GMT -5
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Post by hoyanewyorka on Nov 3, 2019 20:17:00 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 4, 2019 21:08:58 GMT -5
Welcome, Dante!
I haven't been keeping up with recruiting, so my opinion is probably less than useful. But from a 1,000 foot level:
1. I don't worry about guard size in college that much -- it's one of the most overstated concerns 2. I LOVE that Ewing is focusing on players that play HARD -- this was JTIII's biggest downfall. Everyone wants a team of five stars, but if I can't have that, I will take hard workers every day of the week and twice on Sunday. 3. He can apparently shoot. 4. He's super fast.
I get the rankings concern. But once you get past that, I like the profile.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 5, 2019 11:24:00 GMT -5
Welcome, Dante! I haven't been keeping up with recruiting, so my opinion is probably less than useful. But from a 1,000 foot level: 1. I don't worry about guard size in college that much -- it's one of the most overstated concerns 2. I LOVE that Ewing is focusing on players that play HARD -- this was JTIII's biggest downfall. Everyone wants a team of five stars, but if I can't have that, I will take hard workers every day of the week and twice on Sunday. 3. He can apparently shoot. 4. He's super fast. I get the rankings concern. But once you get past that, I like the profile. I appreciate the glass half full analysis and am on board. I think we all have to recognize, however, that his signing probably represents a Plan B (or maybe even C) with RJ Davis and other PGs signing with different teams. Doesn't mean that Dante won't be great, but it is a reminder that we are not back to the level of being able to regularly sign our top targets.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Nov 5, 2019 11:54:33 GMT -5
I am optimistic about Dante. I think his shooting form looks promising and his quickness should get him space for his shot even at the Big East level. I also agree with SF that guard height is over-rated at the college level. That said, Dante is a consolation prize. We didn't get RJ even though we clearly had prioritized him. The answer is simply that we just need to win, to be seen having success on the national stage, to lock down the guys we prioritize. It starts with contributions from hard workers and diamonds in the rough, like Dante hopefully is, who support already good players and lead us to some big victories. Positive momentum is hard to start, but it's a wonderful thing once it gets rolling.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 5, 2019 12:12:54 GMT -5
While reflecting on RJ going to North Carolina, I was reminded of the Garth Brooks song “Thanks God for Unanswered Prayers.” We don’t know how this will play out. RJ could bust like Seventh and Dante could be the second coming of Charles Smith. We will know in 4 years.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 5, 2019 16:17:00 GMT -5
welcome gotta wanna be a hoya like the pix with those kids familia much more than just the bball GO HOYAS welcome dante
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 5, 2019 20:59:05 GMT -5
Welcome, Dante! I haven't been keeping up with recruiting, so my opinion is probably less than useful. But from a 1,000 foot level: 1. I don't worry about guard size in college that much -- it's one of the most overstated concerns 2. I LOVE that Ewing is focusing on players that play HARD -- this was JTIII's biggest downfall. Everyone wants a team of five stars, but if I can't have that, I will take hard workers every day of the week and twice on Sunday. 3. He can apparently shoot. 4. He's super fast. I get the rankings concern. But once you get past that, I like the profile. I appreciate the glass half full analysis and am on board. I think we all have to recognize, however, that his signing probably represents a Plan B (or maybe even C) with RJ Davis and other PGs signing with different teams. Doesn't mean that Dante won't be great, but it is a reminder that we are not back to the level of being able to regularly sign our top targets. I don't disagree, but a couple of things: 1. The '80s are never returning. I'm not saying you are holding to that standard, but some are. 2. JTIII actually recruited fairly well from a top talent standpoint early on, but those teams never played as well as the opening, less heralded group. I'm not suggesting we look for lower rated guys, and I'm not getting into that ratings argument right now ... but this team can be very successful not playing at the top. The single biggest recruiting swing in recent history was Josh Hart to Villanova instead of us. Getting back to JTIII, his biggest issue with recruiting was lack of depth, or people staying. There's something to building a strong roster top to bottom, with a mix of strong upperclassmen and talented freshmen. These are related. I just think we need to think about how we become another Xavier or Villanova or even Gonzaga rather than aspiring to be Duke, UNC and Kentucky. That's not running from top prospects, but you can be a perennial Sweet Sixteen team and an occasional contender by recruiting well and playing better. I think that has to be our plan. Folks on here seem obsessed with positioning players for the NBA, and yes, that's part of it. But a big part of why I was so excited about our current star PG was that at his height and athleticism, he's likely to be here a decent amount of time.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Nov 7, 2019 10:39:22 GMT -5
If Harris plays like Vado Morse from Mount St. Mary’s, that’d be a solid addition to the squad (if not a Big East starter).
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 7, 2019 11:14:30 GMT -5
If Harris plays like Vado Morse from Mount St. Mary’s, that’d be a solid addition to the squad (if not a Big East starter). Exact thought I had last night. Quickness and fearlessness can do a lot sometimes.
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 7, 2019 13:17:34 GMT -5
If Harris plays like Vado Morse from Mount St. Mary’s, that’d be a solid addition to the squad (if not a Big East starter). Nope Nope and Nope.....Dante needs to be much better than Morse...as soon as Akinjo decided he wasn't scoring anymore he was a nonfactor....his handles aren't BE level....
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Nov 7, 2019 15:49:45 GMT -5
Maybe not, but he did put up 18-4-3 (and a steal) against this Big East team, as the #1 or #2 focus of our defense, while willing his team to a 19-point lead.
What I’m saying is, he was probably far less heavily-recruited than Harris, and still able to perform on court. We’d be asking a lot less from a freshman backup PG.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Nov 13, 2019 22:32:54 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Nov 14, 2019 11:54:25 GMT -5
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Post by justsaying on May 14, 2020 16:30:25 GMT -5
Dante Harris@dante_Harris3 Georgetown fans don’t count us out just yet we got sum 2 prove believe dat 📌
Way to go young man! Love it.
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