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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Nov 1, 2022 11:15:52 GMT -5
Nothing but conjecture on my part. Seems like a situation where a close relationship with coaches convinced Dante to stick around. He was promised a chance to earn/compete for the starting spot - he even posted an offseason social post about looking forward to the competition around the time we heard he was sticking around. Then he likely lost the starting job in practice. And now is reevaluating his future. Leaving his teammates to pick up the pieces a week before the season starts. There probably is more to the story though.
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Post by TC on Nov 1, 2022 11:20:47 GMT -5
Nothing but conjecture on my part. Seems like a situation where a close relationship with coaches convinced Dante to stick around. He was promised a chance to earn/compete for the starting spot - he even posted an offseason social post about looking forward to the competition around the time we heard he was sticking around. Then he likely lost the starting job in practice. And now is reevaluating his future. Leaving his teammates to pick up the pieces a week before the season starts. There probably is more to the story though. You can't cry about loyalty when the program is running kids off.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Nov 1, 2022 11:27:06 GMT -5
Leaving his teammates to pick up the pieces a week before the season starts. There probably is more to the story though. You can't cry about loyalty when the program is running kids off. 97s being a POS, TC with a running kids off post…just need pr to have a $4m post and we’ll have the trifecta. Can’t wait until games start. At least then some of the nonsense will be fresh. hm
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 1, 2022 11:28:34 GMT -5
Hypothetically speaking someone with a free transfer card should be able to play in January and wouldn’t have to wait a year. Are you sure this is accurate? From the NCAA in August: "College athletes in all sports will continue to be immediately eligible the first time they transfer, provided they notify their schools in writing during designated notification-of-transfer windows (as determined by their sport.) The board adopted the following notification-of-transfer windows: Fall sports: a 45-day window beginning the day after championships selections are made in their sport, or May 1-15. Reasonable accommodations will be made for participants in the Football Bowl Subdivision and Football Championship Subdivision championship games. Winter sports: a 60-day window beginning the day after championships selections are made in the sport. Spring sports: Dec. 1-15, or a 45-day window beginning the day after selections are made in the sport. The legislation also establishes exceptions to the new windows for student-athletes who experience head coach changes or have athletics aid reduced, canceled or not renewed." www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2022-08-31/ncaa-division-i-board-adopts-changes-transfer-rules#:~:text=College%20athletes%20in%20all%20sports,as%20determined%20by%20their%20sport.) It seems like it would be total chaos if kids were allowed to transfer during the season and immediately play at another school. Looks like only a spring/summer 60 day window. I guess to prevent people from leaving as soon as they don’t get the starting job, rotating o whatever the player is shooting for
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 1, 2022 11:31:07 GMT -5
Hypothetically speaking someone with a free transfer card should be able to play in January and wouldn’t have to wait a year. Are you sure this is accurate? From the NCAA in August: "College athletes in all sports will continue to be immediately eligible the first time they transfer, provided they notify their schools in writing during designated notification-of-transfer windows (as determined by their sport.) The board adopted the following notification-of-transfer windows: Fall sports: a 45-day window beginning the day after championships selections are made in their sport, or May 1-15. Reasonable accommodations will be made for participants in the Football Bowl Subdivision and Football Championship Subdivision championship games. Winter sports: a 60-day window beginning the day after championships selections are made in the sport. Spring sports: Dec. 1-15, or a 45-day window beginning the day after selections are made in the sport. The legislation also establishes exceptions to the new windows for student-athletes who experience head coach changes or have athletics aid reduced, canceled or not renewed." www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2022-08-31/ncaa-division-i-board-adopts-changes-transfer-rules#:~:text=College%20athletes%20in%20all%20sports,as%20determined%20by%20their%20sport.) It seems like it would be total chaos if kids were allowed to transfer during the season and immediately play at another school. 60 day window means 60 after Title game which is around April 4. So you have to decide by June 4th. Anything after that date and you’ve missedthe window Correction: the window opens on the date "after championships selections are made in the sport", i.e., the tournament selection on March 12. The 60-day window for 2023 would end on May 12.--Admin
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 1, 2022 11:46:50 GMT -5
But since adopted on aug 30th you would’ve had till then although that seems unfair to all of a sudden say we’ll aug 30th adopted and you’ve passed the window.
So maybe it applies starting next year. That would seem the most just.
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Post by bluegray79 on Nov 1, 2022 12:14:20 GMT -5
Leaving his teammates to pick up the pieces a week before the season starts. There probably is more to the story though. You can't cry about loyalty when the program is running kids off. We still don't know what is happening, but would that be running kids off? I think most of us agree that you have to earn your PT and that there's competition for starting positions, right? Tp repeat, we don't now what's going on with Dante, but if it is the case that he is unhappy that he didn't get the starting spot at PG and is taking time to rethink what he wants to do, that's not running kids off. Should he be rewarded to start because he is a junior who has grinded out his first 2 years and didn't leave when others did? If that's what it is, then so be it, but it's not the way I would want my team to allot the privilege of being a starter, would you? (I know there are some posters who would argue that PE owes it to him for hanging in there, etc. -- if so, make that argument). I hope we can agree that healthy competition can push everyone to be better, and it removes any feelings of favoritism by a coach. The starting lineup is, or should be, a fluid thing whereby a player who has shown leadership or consistent high level of play replaces someone who has not been doing those things consistently, right? I would hope that, if Dante is feeling betrayed or disappointed by a decision to sit him at tipoff, the coaches have made it clear to him that he can play his way back to being a starter. I like Dante a lot and hope he is on the team this year. I think he plays a hard-nosed, gritty type of Hoya basketball, and you know that even if he's not having a good night, he's always giving his best. He's a straight shooter, honest guy as far as I can tell, and seems to be a good teammate. Let's hope he's back soon!
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Post by TC on Nov 1, 2022 12:27:44 GMT -5
We still don't know what is happening, but would that be running kids off? I think most of us agree that you have to earn your PT and that there's competition for starting positions, right? Tp repeat, we don't now what's going on with Dante, but if it is the case that he is unhappy that he didn't get the starting spot at PG and is taking time to rethink what he wants to do, that's not running kids off. Should he be rewarded to start because he is a junior who has grinded out his first 2 years and didn't leave when others did? If that's what it is, then so be it, but it's not the way I would want my team to allot the privilege of being a starter, would you? (I know there are some posters who would argue that PE owes it to him for hanging in there, etc. -- if so, make that argument). I agree with what you said, my comment was more towards the idea of Dante letting down his teammates - I think there are only three he's played with before, and one of those three left the program in 2021. I have a hard time stomaching the loyalty argument when the program has no actual loyalty to the players.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Nov 1, 2022 12:38:27 GMT -5
Leaving his teammates to pick up the pieces a week before the season starts. There probably is more to the story though. You can't cry about loyalty when the program is running kids off. An extremely valid point.
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Post by Admin on Nov 1, 2022 12:43:21 GMT -5
Putting a temporary hold on this thread--we don't know any specifics. Rumor aside, if/when there is an announcement, there will be plenty of time to comment as well. Until then, we wait.
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