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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Aug 17, 2019 10:01:44 GMT -5
If you have to preface what you state with “I don’t have an anti-Mac agenda,” you have an anti-Mac agenda. 😉
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 17, 2019 11:07:36 GMT -5
If he comes out this year as a much better shooter and defender I will give him that credit. I don’t believe you, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. By the way, you didn’t answer my post above and I’m curious to know: What is that one dimension you see and which ones is he missing? I pretty much stated in my post. He’s a scorer who if he is actually on from 3 is unstoppable. He just isn’t a good 3 point shooter.
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 17, 2019 11:08:50 GMT -5
If you have to preface what you state with “I don’t have an anti-Mac agenda,” you have an anti-Mac agenda. 😉 If everyone says you have an anti Mac agenda how do you defend yourself? If I say you are a racist do you say I’m not a racist? Seems pretty reasonable no?
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 17, 2019 11:15:09 GMT -5
I don’t believe you, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. By the way, you didn’t answer my post above and I’m curious to know: I pretty much stated in my post. He’s a scorer who if he is actually on from 3 is unstoppable. He just isn’t a good 3 point shooter. So hes one dimensional and that one dimension is that hes a scorer? And he sucks at everything else. Seems to be what you are saying
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 17, 2019 11:19:19 GMT -5
I don’t believe you, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. By the way, you didn’t answer my post above and I’m curious to know: I pretty much stated in my post. He’s a scorer who if he is actually on from 3 is unstoppable. He just isn’t a good 3 point shooter. So hes one dimensional and that one dimension is that hes a scorer? And he sucks at everything else. Seems to be what you are saying
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Post by prhoya on Aug 17, 2019 11:34:17 GMT -5
I don’t believe you, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. By the way, you didn’t answer my post above and I’m curious to know: I pretty much stated in my post. He’s a scorer who if he is actually on from 3 is unstoppable. He just isn’t a good 3 point shooter. Oh, I thought you meant the other dimensions that make a good basketball player, not just scoring.
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 17, 2019 12:09:11 GMT -5
I pretty much stated in my post. He’s a scorer who if he is actually on from 3 is unstoppable. He just isn’t a good 3 point shooter. So hes one dimensional and that one dimension is that hes a scorer? And he sucks at everything else. Seems to be what you are saying Well he's not really even a good scorer yet as he is more of an inefficient chucker than a good scorer. Some people think he's a great shooter because of the amount of points he put up in HS but if you watched the games you saw how he got them. His one truly great dimension is his ability to finish which means he could be become a good scorer if he played to his strengths. The unique part about his is that the obvious way to play him would be to lay off and beg him to shoot. The problem with that is that if he actually gets a head of steam and doesn't take the bait he is very good at scoring. The other parts of his game are lacking. The one thing most actually agree on with Mac is he's a bad defender. He had the lowest assist % of all guards on the team and was the only one with less than a 1 AST/TO ratio so I think its safe to saying his passing isn't great yet. To me it seems like he stands around the perimeter way too much on offense waiting for the ball to come to him. This often stagnates the offense which is why when he is on the floor the team performed worse than when all of the other guards were on the court. Unlike the rest of my assertions the movement can't be measured so if someone wants to disagree then so be it.
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Post by calhoya on Aug 17, 2019 12:58:31 GMT -5
He was a raw talent from a small school when they signed him--clearly not a finished product. He always brings energy to the court and a self-confidence that allows him to look past a mistake and that is exactly what you want at this level. Shoots too much at times (as did Akinjo) and is not yet a quality outside shooter, which is fixable. Ewing showed no reluctance to bench him when he was not playing solid defense or shooting too much. I never saw him pouting on the bench, but seems to be a totally willing and committed team player. I think he has a strong upside and will improve each year, though with team depth this year his minutes could go down a little.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Aug 17, 2019 13:06:09 GMT -5
His midrange pull-up looks improved. Would be big weapon
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 14:05:40 GMT -5
Mac started the season ice cold, but he shot 32% from 3 in BE play. That's not too bad for a Frosh tbh...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 14:25:20 GMT -5
Games vs KenPom A/B level teams (basically... tougher games) Jahvon (2 yrs): 48-154 from 3 (31.2%) Mac (1 yr): 24-76 (31.6%)
BE games (2018-19) 3FG shooting Blair: 32.6% McClung: 32.1%
If you're going to make a one-dimensional argument, at least pick the right guy. Blair has put up 2/3 of his shots at GU from 3. Inside the arc, he's basically useless (35%).
Mac shot 56% of his shots last year from INSIDE the arc, and converted on a DSR-like (i.e. very good for G) 48% of those shots. Maybe more importantly, he drew fouls at around the best rate on the team -- if you remove James who, as a PG, gets intentionally fouled more than other spots. Mac shot 80% from the line, too.
Mac's a pretty dynamic scorer already. If he's off from 3 (which he seems to be about as often as Jahvon), at least he has other value.
And while we're all willing to admit he's got some "chucker" in him, shot selection (and therefore %s) usually improve year over year for college kids. I don't see how Blair's gonna be improving his shot selection when he spends 90% of the time 24 feet from the basket.
Mac's a better offensive player, he's got a lot of room for improvement, and he basically already shoots it as well as our off-the-bench 3pt help (who isn't exactly a defensive stalwart himself).
I just don't think you have to get into the weeds on this to know Mac should be the starter on this team. But if you want to, please revisit the DSR/LJ/Tre Campbell situation of 2015.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 14:41:06 GMT -5
I think we're overselling this they don't get along narrative a lot... They were roommates last year. I think guys take them pushing each other as beef and it's not. They'll be fine. Winning is the number 1 priority for both guys. Yeah - seems like more of an issue among James’ people if you read social media comments (Mac getting more shine). James doesn’t seem to be a kid to let that affect him personally.
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Post by gatormcclusky on Aug 17, 2019 15:06:20 GMT -5
Games vs KenPom A/B level teams (basically... tougher games) Jahvon (2 yrs): 48-154 from 3 (31.2%) Mac (1 yr): 24-76 (31.6%) BE games (2018-19) 3FG shooting Blair: 32.6% McClung: 32.1% If you're going to make a one-dimensional argument, at least pick the right guy. Blair has put up 2/3 of his shots at GU from 3. Inside the arc, he's basically useless (35%). Mac shot 56% of his shots last year from INSIDE the arc, and converted on a DSR-like (i.e. very good for G) 48% of those shots. Maybe more importantly, he drew fouls at around the best rate on the team -- if you remove James who, as a PG, gets intentionally fouled more than other spots. Mac shot 80% from the line, too. Mac's a pretty dynamic scorer already. If he's off from 3 (which he seems to be about as often as Jahvon), at least he has other value. And while we're all willing to admit he's got some "chucker" in him, shot selection (and therefore %s) usually improve year over year for college kids. I don't see how Blair's gonna be improving his shot selection when he spends 90% of the time 24 feet from the basket. Mac's a better offensive player, he's got a lot of room for improvement, and he basically already shoots it as well as our off-the-bench 3pt help (who isn't exactly a defensive stalwart himself). I just don't think you have to get into the weeds on this to know Mac should be the starter on this team. But if you want to, please revisit the DSR/LJ/Tre Campbell situation of 2015. I wish I had more hands, so I could give this post four thumbs up. Mac has much higher potential than Blair and is already a more complete and dynamic player a year behind him, but people are gonna see what they want to see.
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 17, 2019 15:17:05 GMT -5
Agree with many of the prior posts.
Blair and Mac both play the 2, but they are completely different players even if their stats look similar.
90% of Blair’s game is outside the 3 point line, and when he is ‘on’, it is amazing.
75% of Mac’s game is inside the arc. When Mac is ‘on’ from outside the 3, he not ‘amazing’, he is ‘unstoppable.’ Mac’s game is so much more diverse (drives, step-backs, mid-range floaters, twisting lay-ups, etc), and he brings the dunks which energize the entire area.
I like the way Blair played this week, but Mac is my starting 2.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 16:06:32 GMT -5
I think we're overselling this they don't get along narrative a lot... They were roommates last year. I think guys take them pushing each other as beef and it's not. They'll be fine. Winning is the number 1 priority for both guys. Yeah - seems like more of an issue among James’ people if you read social media comments (Mac getting more shine). James doesn’t seem to be a kid to let that affect him personally. Not that I've been paying attention but I've only seen it from that one guy. I really don't know if he's his people or not. I asked him one time and he said he wasn't but from the area or something. Could be lying since it's an anonymous account. Either way it's a bit misguided to care about such things since scouts could care less how many social media posts or followers you have.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Aug 17, 2019 16:40:11 GMT -5
Mac's dimensions:
1. Best driver and finisher on the team. 2. Best open court player on the team.
3. Second or third best ball handler on the team behind James and possibly Allen.
4. Despite his low assist numbers, he is without a doubt the third best passer on the team from a skill standpoint. His low assist numbers are a result of his shoot first mentality. 5. Along with James is the most clutch player on the team. We are fortunate to have not 1 but 2 dynamic guards capable of creating their own shot that absolutely live for those last second opportunities.
6. Second best free throw shooter on the team.
7. While not a great three point shooter by any means, he is more than capable from outside. Also he does not have the benefit that guys like Blair and Jamorko have of basically spotting up and letting the offense create set, open 3's for him. While he does get those types of shots, like James, he is also asked to create his own difficult 3's off the dribble when the offense is unable to create a good shot, or the shot clock or game clock is expiring. And yes, he also forces his own bad 3's when the shot clock is not close to expiring, but what natural scorer in the NBA or college doesn't do that? While you want to limit those kinds of shots you also have to accept them to an extent as that is what all scorers do. Point being, he would likely be a much more efficient 3 point shooter if all he did was spot up and shoot open 3's, but every team needs guys that can also create their own 3's off the dribble and hit tough contested ones. Mac is one of those guys for us.
8. Definitely one of the most competitive, toughest, and hardest working kids on the team along with Josh, James, and Myron.
9. Outside of on the court stuff he is one of the most popular players in college basketball and thus has shined a light back on Georgetown which I'm sure has helped with recruiting and much more. Made Big East All Academic team. By all accounts I've heard takes time to sign every autograph for kids. Good player on the court, good person off it.
Bottom line, Mac could average 20+ ppg, shoot over 40% from 3, and help lead the team to a final four as a junior or senior and a certain poster would just look for some crazy advanced stat that has Mac near the bottom of the Georgetown players to say that's proof that he's actually terrible and if they had benched him for the year the team would've easily won it all.
I'm sure if you look at advanced stats for the NBA you will find plenty of All-Star caliber players in the bottom half of the league for certain ones, while an array of 2nd and 3rd rate bench warmers will populate much of the top 10 and 20 percent. Advanced stats are fun to look at and can have a slight amount of value but ultimately mean nothing.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 17, 2019 16:53:55 GMT -5
Mac's dimensions: 1. Best driver and finisher on the team. 2. Best open court player on the team. 3. Second or third best ball handler on the team behind James and possibly Allen. 4. Despite his low assist numbers, he is without a doubt the third best passer on the team from a skill standpoint. His low assist numbers are a result of his shoot first mentality. 5. Along with James is the most clutch player on the team. We are fortunate to have not 1 but 2 dynamic guards capable of creating their own shot that absolutely live for those last second opportunities. 6. Second best free throw shooter on the team. 7. While not a great three point shooter by any means, he is more than capable from outside. Also he does not have the benefit that guys like Blair and Jamorko have of basically spotting up and letting the offense create set, open 3's for him. While he does get those types of shots, like James, he is also asked to create his own difficult 3's off the dribble when the offense is unable to create a good shot, or the shot clock or game clock is expiring. And yes, he also forces his own bad 3's when the shot clock is not close to expiring, but what natural scorer in the NBA or college doesn't do that? While you want to limit those kinds of shots you also have to accept them to an extent as that is what all scorers do. Point being, he would likely be a much more efficient 3 point shooter if all he did was spot up and shoot open 3's, but every team needs guys that can also create their own 3's off the dribble and hit tough contested ones. Mac is one of those guys for us. 8. Definitely one of the most competitive, toughest, and hardest working kids on the team along with Josh, James, and Myron. 9. Outside of on the court stuff he is one of the most popular players in college basketball and thus has shined a light back on Georgetown which I'm sure has helped with recruiting and much more. Made Big East All Academic team. By all accounts I've heard takes time to sign every autograph for kids. Good player on the court, good person off it. Bottom line, Mac could average 20+ ppg, shoot over 40% from 3, and help lead the team to a final four as a junior or senior and a certain poster would just look for some crazy advanced stat that has Mac near the bottom of the Georgetown players to say that's proof that he's actually terrible and if they had benched him for the year the team would've easily won it all. I'm sure if you look at advanced stats for the NBA you will find plenty of All-Star caliber players in the bottom half of the league for certain ones, while an array of 2nd and 3rd rate bench warmers will populate much of the top 10 and 20 percent. Advanced stats are fun to look at and can have a slight amount of value but ultimately mean nothing. Be fair, Mac misses his share of open spot-up 3's and I doubt PE is asking him to create difficult 3's off the dribble when the offense bogs down... Mac was 12-29(41.3%) in the 1st four conference games... He went 14-52(26.9%) over the next 14 conference games, plus he went 0-6 in the two tourney games... In his last 16 games, he shot 14-58(24.1%) from behind the arc, he's a bad 3pt shooter right now...
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Aug 17, 2019 17:04:15 GMT -5
Mac's dimensions: 1. Best driver and finisher on the team. 2. Best open court player on the team. 3. Second or third best ball handler on the team behind James and possibly Allen. 4. Despite his low assist numbers, he is without a doubt the third best passer on the team from a skill standpoint. His low assist numbers are a result of his shoot first mentality. 5. Along with James is the most clutch player on the team. We are fortunate to have not 1 but 2 dynamic guards capable of creating their own shot that absolutely live for those last second opportunities. 6. Second best free throw shooter on the team. 7. While not a great three point shooter by any means, he is more than capable from outside. Also he does not have the benefit that guys like Blair and Jamorko have of basically spotting up and letting the offense create set, open 3's for him. While he does get those types of shots, like James, he is also asked to create his own difficult 3's off the dribble when the offense is unable to create a good shot, or the shot clock or game clock is expiring. And yes, he also forces his own bad 3's when the shot clock is not close to expiring, but what natural scorer in the NBA or college doesn't do that? While you want to limit those kinds of shots you also have to accept them to an extent as that is what all scorers do. Point being, he would likely be a much more efficient 3 point shooter if all he did was spot up and shoot open 3's, but every team needs guys that can also create their own 3's off the dribble and hit tough contested ones. Mac is one of those guys for us. 8. Definitely one of the most competitive, toughest, and hardest working kids on the team along with Josh, James, and Myron. 9. Outside of on the court stuff he is one of the most popular players in college basketball and thus has shined a light back on Georgetown which I'm sure has helped with recruiting and much more. Made Big East All Academic team. By all accounts I've heard takes time to sign every autograph for kids. Good player on the court, good person off it. Bottom line, Mac could average 20+ ppg, shoot over 40% from 3, and help lead the team to a final four as a junior or senior and a certain poster would just look for some crazy advanced stat that has Mac near the bottom of the Georgetown players to say that's proof that he's actually terrible and if they had benched him for the year the team would've easily won it all. I'm sure if you look at advanced stats for the NBA you will find plenty of All-Star caliber players in the bottom half of the league for certain ones, while an array of 2nd and 3rd rate bench warmers will populate much of the top 10 and 20 percent. Advanced stats are fun to look at and can have a slight amount of value but ultimately mean nothing. Be fair, Mac misses his share of open spot-up 3's and I doubt PE is asking him to create difficult 3's off the dribble when the offense bogs down... Mac was 12-29(41.3%) in the 1st four conference games... He went 14-52(26.9%) over the next 14 conference games, plus he went 0-6 in the two tourney games... In his last 16 games, he shot 14-58(24.1%) from behind the arc, he's a bad 3pt shooter right now... Agreed.i was going to dispute a lot of the points on here because they just aren't rooted in fact but you addressed the main issue with the Mac fanatics. He is going to be a very good college player for us but there are going to be some disappointed fans if they keep putting him on this unrealistic pedestal. He has holes in his game like all of our players so it's not attacking him to identify those and point out he needs to get better at those areas. Some of the posters here mistake highlight reel stuff for advanced ability in a fundamental skill. For example, passing skill is a hell of a lot more than behind the back passes in transition.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Aug 17, 2019 17:15:16 GMT -5
Mac's dimensions: 1. Best driver and finisher on the team. 2. Best open court player on the team. 3. Second or third best ball handler on the team behind James and possibly Allen. 4. Despite his low assist numbers, he is without a doubt the third best passer on the team from a skill standpoint. His low assist numbers are a result of his shoot first mentality. 5. Along with James is the most clutch player on the team. We are fortunate to have not 1 but 2 dynamic guards capable of creating their own shot that absolutely live for those last second opportunities. 6. Second best free throw shooter on the team. 7. While not a great three point shooter by any means, he is more than capable from outside. Also he does not have the benefit that guys like Blair and Jamorko have of basically spotting up and letting the offense create set, open 3's for him. While he does get those types of shots, like James, he is also asked to create his own difficult 3's off the dribble when the offense is unable to create a good shot, or the shot clock or game clock is expiring. And yes, he also forces his own bad 3's when the shot clock is not close to expiring, but what natural scorer in the NBA or college doesn't do that? While you want to limit those kinds of shots you also have to accept them to an extent as that is what all scorers do. Point being, he would likely be a much more efficient 3 point shooter if all he did was spot up and shoot open 3's, but every team needs guys that can also create their own 3's off the dribble and hit tough contested ones. Mac is one of those guys for us. 8. Definitely one of the most competitive, toughest, and hardest working kids on the team along with Josh, James, and Myron. 9. Outside of on the court stuff he is one of the most popular players in college basketball and thus has shined a light back on Georgetown which I'm sure has helped with recruiting and much more. Made Big East All Academic team. By all accounts I've heard takes time to sign every autograph for kids. Good player on the court, good person off it. Bottom line, Mac could average 20+ ppg, shoot over 40% from 3, and help lead the team to a final four as a junior or senior and a certain poster would just look for some crazy advanced stat that has Mac near the bottom of the Georgetown players to say that's proof that he's actually terrible and if they had benched him for the year the team would've easily won it all. I'm sure if you look at advanced stats for the NBA you will find plenty of All-Star caliber players in the bottom half of the league for certain ones, while an array of 2nd and 3rd rate bench warmers will populate much of the top 10 and 20 percent. Advanced stats are fun to look at and can have a slight amount of value but ultimately mean nothing. Be fair, Mac misses his share of open spot-up 3's and I doubt PE is asking him to create difficult 3's off the dribble when the offense bogs down... Mac was 12-29(41.3%) in the 1st four conference games... He went 14-52(26.9%) over the next 14 conference games, plus he went 0-6 in the two tourney games... In his last 16 games, he shot 14-58(24.1%) from behind the arc, he's a bad 3pt shooter right now... Never said he didn't miss his share of open spot up 3's just that the degree of difficulty on many of his 3's is much higher than anyone else on the team besides maybe James. And I guess we were watching different games last year, cus the ones I saw, when the shot clock was whittling away, the ball was generally kicked back out to one of the two ball handlers (James or Mac) who were then forced to go one on one at the end of a shot clock and create usually some difficult off balance shot, often times from 3. I don't know if that's something PE "asked" of them, I think it's common sense that just about every team in college and the NBA does... give the ball to your creators towards the end of a shot clock. Would you rather Pickett or Leblanc get the ball in those situation or James and Mac? I know who I'm going with. And I said he was a more than capable 3 point shooter... given that he finished 3rd on the team in 3 pointers made last season, I would say that qualifies. AI shot 23% as a freshman... was he a good 3 point shooter then? No. Capable? Yes. Not sure what showing me his stats does as I never called him a good 3 point shooter. Like AI as a freshman it's still a part of his game that teams must worry about, he's still capable of getting hot and hitting 3 or 4 in a row, it's a dimension to his game.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Aug 17, 2019 17:25:50 GMT -5
Be fair, Mac misses his share of open spot-up 3's and I doubt PE is asking him to create difficult 3's off the dribble when the offense bogs down... Mac was 12-29(41.3%) in the 1st four conference games... He went 14-52(26.9%) over the next 14 conference games, plus he went 0-6 in the two tourney games... In his last 16 games, he shot 14-58(24.1%) from behind the arc, he's a bad 3pt shooter right now... Agreed.i was going to dispute a lot of the points on here because they just aren't rooted in fact but you addressed the main issue with the Mac fanatics. He is going to be a very good college player for us but there are going to be some disappointed fans if they keep putting him on this unrealistic pedestal. He has holes in his game like all of our players so it's not attacking him to identify those and point out he needs to get better at those areas. Some of the posters here mistake highlight reel stuff for advanced ability in a fundamental skill. For example, passing skill is a hell of a lot more than behind the back passes in transition. Of course he has holes, those have been mentioned quite a bit in this thread, I was simply pointing out his strengths, I do apologize if complimenting one of our players offends you. In regards to his passing skill, there's a reason he was tasked as our primary inbounder under the basket, and he also became an excellent post entry passer to Jessie as the season progressed last year. And yes, he is a dynamic passer on the fast break as well.
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