Filo
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Post by Filo on Aug 16, 2019 12:35:49 GMT -5
That guy is always negative. I don't have to even read his posts to know what his opinion will be on anything Hoyas. Yep always negative. I guess you don’t read the posts where I give players tons of credit for instance like Allen and Govan in this very one. Yeah, the poster made a mistake and left off "about Mac" after the "always negative." Mac proved you wrong last year and will continue to do so, but keep plugging away...
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 16, 2019 13:06:25 GMT -5
So last year you didn't see All-BE Frosh Mac play vs guards who were better than the 2 "respectable" Bahamian guards? He definitely did but it wasn’t like the results were great. If people want to use the qualifier of he was good for a 3 star freshman than so be it. I am not even sure that was the case based on his minutes and usage. I don’t want to hear anymore about all-BE freshman team. It’s a usage award not an effectiveness award. It’s funny how quick people were to use that accolade for Jamorko and Juggy then that went by the wayside 1 year later. We don’t need Mac to be freshman good this year. We need him to be actually good. If he makes the jump then great. If not there are plenty of options. Mac looks like the best player on the floor at times and the worst at others. He’s pretty 1 dimensional so if he’s off he is a big negative. This is no longer a rebuild. The future is now. I am not sure what your problem is. Mac is big piece of the puzzle of a successful Hoya squad this year. Does he have weaknesses that need to improve? Yep. Is there anyone that should take his minutes at SG? I don’t see it. I am not sure his leadership to flat out attack the opponent is fully appreciated. When others are tentative or being patient waiting for an opening, Mac is out there making an opening for himself. That takes confidence.... which is contagious to his teammates. And that takes courage because it won’t always work. I think Mac is an important and very valuable member of this team.
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 16, 2019 13:14:57 GMT -5
Yep always negative. I guess you don’t read the posts where I give players tons of credit for instance like Allen and Govan in this very one. Yeah, the poster made a mistake and left off "about Mac" after the "always negative." Mac proved you wrong last year and will continue to do so, but keep plugging away... Yep proved me wrong by being the only guard on the team that did not have a +PPP rating. What we have ever done without him.
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 16, 2019 13:17:21 GMT -5
He definitely did but it wasn’t like the results were great. If people want to use the qualifier of he was good for a 3 star freshman than so be it. I am not even sure that was the case based on his minutes and usage. I don’t want to hear anymore about all-BE freshman team. It’s a usage award not an effectiveness award. It’s funny how quick people were to use that accolade for Jamorko and Juggy then that went by the wayside 1 year later. We don’t need Mac to be freshman good this year. We need him to be actually good. If he makes the jump then great. If not there are plenty of options. Mac looks like the best player on the floor at times and the worst at others. He’s pretty 1 dimensional so if he’s off he is a big negative. This is no longer a rebuild. The future is now. I am not sure what your problem is. Mac is big piece of the puzzle of a successful Hoya squad this year. Does he have weaknesses that need to improve? Yep. Is there anyone that should take his minutes at SG? I don’t see it. I am not sure his leadership to flat out attack the opponent is fully appreciated. When others are tentative or being patient waiting for an opening, Mac is out there making an opening for himself. That takes confidence.... which is contagious to his teammates. And that takes courage because it won’t always work. I think Mac is an important and very valuable member of this team. If all of this were true it would result in the team performing better when he was on the floor last year than when his possible replacement were. That was not the case last year. Doesn’t mean it won’t be the case this year.
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 16, 2019 13:24:21 GMT -5
Since I am way too negative I will post my positive thoughts on what I think the team minutes per game will be after watching the team in the Bahamas.
James - 30 Mac - 30 Allen - 25 Blair - 25 Jamorko - 30 Myron -25 Galen - 25 Josh - 30 Yurt7 - 30 Q - 25 Wilson - 20 Tim - 20
In keeping up with the positivity these minutes should mean we go undefeated and win the title. We will also have 4 more All-BE freshman which is so coveted around here. Can’t wait for November!
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 16, 2019 13:28:22 GMT -5
Since I am way too negative I will post my positive thoughts on what I think the team minutes per game will be after watching the team in the Bahamas. James - 30 Mac - 30 Allen - 25 Blair - 25 Jamorko - 30 Myron -25 Galen - 25 Josh - 30 Yurt7 - 30 Q - 25 Wilson - 20 Tim - 20 In keeping up with the positivity these minutes should mean we go undefeated and win the title. We will also have 4 more All-BE freshman which is so coveted around here. Can’t wait for November! Mosely deserves time too, very unfair of you to leave him out due to injury... Please pencil him in for at least 20 also...
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 16, 2019 13:31:02 GMT -5
Since I am way too negative I will post my positive thoughts on what I think the team minutes per game will be after watching the team in the Bahamas. James - 30 Mac - 30 Allen - 25 Blair - 25 Jamorko - 30 Myron -25 Galen - 25 Josh - 30 Yurt7 - 30 Q - 25 Wilson - 20 Tim - 20 In keeping up with the positivity these minutes should mean we go undefeated and win the title. We will also have 4 more All-BE freshman which is so coveted around here. Can’t wait for November! Start another thread for minutes. I think that will be fun for everyone.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 16, 2019 13:33:34 GMT -5
Since I am way too negative I will post my positive thoughts on what I think the team minutes per game will be after watching the team in the Bahamas. James - 30 Mac - 30 Allen - 25 Blair - 25 Jamorko - 30 Myron -25 Galen - 25 Josh - 30 Yurt7 - 30 Q - 25 Wilson - 20 Tim - 20 In keeping up with the positivity these minutes should mean we go undefeated and win the title. We will also have 4 more All-BE freshman which is so coveted around here. Can’t wait for November! Mosely deserves time too, very unfair of you to leave him out due to injury... Please pencil him in for at least 20 also... The minutes he has are way over the 40 minute college game though. Even if you played James and Mac 25 min a game and Allen 20, that would only leave 10 mintues left for the other guards. Minutes will be hard to come by this season.
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 16, 2019 13:37:22 GMT -5
Since I am way too negative I will post my positive thoughts on what I think the team minutes per game will be after watching the team in the Bahamas. James - 30 Mac - 30 Allen - 25 Blair - 25 Jamorko - 30 Myron -25 Galen - 25 Josh - 30 Yurt7 - 30 Q - 25 Wilson - 20 Tim - 20 In keeping up with the positivity these minutes should mean we go undefeated and win the title. We will also have 4 more All-BE freshman which is so coveted around here. Can’t wait for November! Mosely deserves time too, very unfair of you to leave him out due to injury... Please pencil him in for at least 20 also... Yes but since he didn’t play in the Bahamas or Kenner I have no idea if he will be worthy this year. Also how are we going to keep racking up All-BE freshman team awards if we play the old guys!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 13:43:55 GMT -5
I think we're overselling this they don't get along narrative a lot...
They were roommates last year. I think guys take them pushing each other as beef and it's not. They'll be fine. Winning is the number 1 priority for both guys.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 16, 2019 13:51:21 GMT -5
Mosely deserves time too, very unfair of you to leave him out due to injury... Please pencil him in for at least 20 also... The minutes he has are way over the 40 minute college game though. Even if you played James and Mac 25 min a game and Allen 20, that would only leave 10 mintues left for the other guards. Minutes will be hard to come by this season. Think you might have missed the sarcasm in Hoyainla's post Professor...
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 16, 2019 14:05:45 GMT -5
The minutes he has are way over the 40 minute college game though. Even if you played James and Mac 25 min a game and Allen 20, that would only leave 10 mintues left for the other guards. Minutes will be hard to come by this season. Think you might have missed the sarcasm in Hoyainla's post Professor... Way to go ruin all the fun!!! You are so negative EtomicB.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 16, 2019 14:24:12 GMT -5
Mac looks like the best player on the floor at times and the worst at others. He’s pretty 1 dimensional so if he’s off he is a big negative. What is that one dimension you see and which ones is he missing?
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Aug 16, 2019 14:28:11 GMT -5
Yeah, the poster made a mistake and left off "about Mac" after the "always negative." Mac proved you wrong last year and will continue to do so, but keep plugging away... Yep proved me wrong by being the only guard on the team that did not have a +PPP rating. What we have ever done without him. Yeah, that would be the expected response, since you apparently consider the negativity label a badge of honor when it comes to Mac. I guess I really don't understand why you are so negative on himm and it doesn't appear to be entirely objective. I think there is a happy medium between the "OMG, Mac is going pro next year" approach and your approach of bashing the kid at any chance you get. How about something like "the guy who came in with a ton of hype and unrealistic expectations despite being an unranked player, yet still managed to have some pretty big games and averaged 13.1 points, 2.0 assists, and 2.6 rebounds per game as a freshman?" If it makes you happy, we can add in that he still needs a lot of work on the defensive end?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Aug 16, 2019 15:28:37 GMT -5
I think we're overselling this they don't get along narrative a lot... They were roommates last year. I think guys take them pushing each other as beef and it's not. They'll be fine. Winning is the number 1 priority for both guys. Technically I’m pretty sure that Mac and Josh were roommates last year (since they committed early they coordinated that before James committed later), but I totally agree that this topic is overblown.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:04:10 GMT -5
I think we're overselling this they don't get along narrative a lot... They were roommates last year. I think guys take them pushing each other as beef and it's not. They'll be fine. Winning is the number 1 priority for both guys. Technically I’m pretty sure that Mac and Josh were roommates last year (since they committed early they coordinated that before James committed later), but I totally agree that this topic is overblown. Maybe, but I'm pretty sure James and Mac lived together last year. At least that was what I was told by someone reasonably close to the situation. I wasn't there so could be wrong and not really that important..
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Post by bigelephant on Aug 16, 2019 16:09:42 GMT -5
Josh and Mac were roommates. I don't think James was - however they spent a lot of time together (practicing and playing against each other)
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 17, 2019 0:36:38 GMT -5
Yep proved me wrong by being the only guard on the team that did not have a +PPP rating. What we have ever done without him. Yeah, that would be the expected response, since you apparently consider the negativity label a badge of honor when it comes to Mac. I guess I really don't understand why you are so negative on himm and it doesn't appear to be entirely objective. I think there is a happy medium between the "OMG, Mac is going pro next year" approach and your approach of bashing the kid at any chance you get. How about something like "the guy who came in with a ton of hype and unrealistic expectations despite being an unranked player, yet still managed to have some pretty big games and averaged 13.1 points, 2.0 assists, and 2.6 rebounds per game as a freshman?" If it makes you happy, we can add in that he still needs a lot of work on the defensive end? Ultimately I just want what’s best for the team. I spend an unhealthy amount of time looking at analytics/advanced data. Those numbers are not kind to Mac. If you compare Juggy’s FR year to Mac’s they are pretty similar except 2 years ago we had one more star so Juggy got a couple less shots so his raw numbers weren’t quite as good. While people were happy that Juggy made All-BE they were quick to push him aside once Mac got here even though they were almost exactly the same ranked coming out of HS. Last year Juggy was actually better than he was his FR year and the team performed better when he was on the court than with Mac. Even after that In this thread the prevailing sentiment is that Juggy is a good spark plug but Mac is the man that deserves 30 minutes to Juggy’s much less. They are only 1 year apart so this isn’t about 1 guy is the future. I don’t get the disconnect. To be honest I don’t love what I see out of either and I have Ben critical of Juggy in the past. I think both are good spark plug 6th man type players that if they get hot they can carry us. They do it in different fashions but the results are pretty similar. If they both play to the level that they have so far I think this team needs an upgrade at the position to really succeed. Part of this is because both are not good defenders and for lack of a better word chuckers. I know that Mac is going to get the pass and benefit of the doubt. I thought this thread was thought provoking and honestly I was going to sit back and enjoy the dialogue. Then people questioned the intentions of the OP even though he said it was the thoughts of a former Hoyas player and I couldn’t stay away. I think most here think I’m the only one that thinks the way I do but it’s just not the case. I give him his credit where it’s due. I’ve said when he’s on, he looks like the best player on the floor and he has all world finishing ability. If he comes out this year as a much better shooter and defender I will give him that credit. My problem is the people that have already given him credit for things he hasn’t done. They are just looking at the raw numbers and not factoring in how he got them and to what detriment to the team. All suggestions and critiques I make are what I think would make the team better. It’s not an anti Mac agenda. I have been negative on many players through the years and been positive on others.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Aug 17, 2019 8:44:19 GMT -5
Please cease and desist with this idea.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 17, 2019 9:42:43 GMT -5
If he comes out this year as a much better shooter and defender I will give him that credit. I don’t believe you, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. By the way, you didn’t answer my post above and I’m curious to know: Mac looks like the best player on the floor at times and the worst at others. He’s pretty 1 dimensional so if he’s off he is a big negative. What is that one dimension you see and which ones is he missing?
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