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Post by ewingitrust on Aug 14, 2019 20:29:37 GMT -5
If no redshirts then Timmy and Wilson definitely will get some burn. Its obvious interior defense was lacking last season and he's shored that up. Coach Ewing has defensive flexibility with his bigs.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Aug 27, 2019 8:44:38 GMT -5
Sorry, I deleted this post by accident. Thought it had been reposted. Originally on 8/14.
Curious, in college, how many players have the, um...fortitude to pull up for the three on a fast break?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 27, 2019 9:32:53 GMT -5
Sorry, I deleted this post by accident. Thought it had been reposted. Originally on 8/14. Curious, in college, how many players have the, um...fortitude to pull up for the three on a fast break? I'll let others list specific players, but there are plenty of them, including some on our own team. There were many instances last year in the Big East where other teams did this to us. Shooting threes when wide open on a fastbreak is now an acceptable part of the game. The bigger point remains - if you have a bad press that does not yield turnovers (i.e., our press last year) - you're basically giving away free points when it's broken. So either the press needs to be effective at causing turnovers, or it's simply better to go half-court. There is certainly a time and place for pressing, and obviously some coaches use it as a central defensive strategy, but it's simply not as effective as it was given the evolution of the game over the last three plus decades.
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 27, 2019 10:03:17 GMT -5
Presses have lots of different rationales, designs and effectiveness. Sometimes we - and others - use a 3/4 "soft" press which isn't intended to achieve a TO, it's just to make the opponent spend a little more time and effort getting the ball across halfcourt, to use clock and leave less time to run their offense. Which also means the defenders don't need to be as effective for as long after retreating back to their normal halfcourt D.
The other extreme is the desperation, all hands on deck, disrupt the inbounds and the backcourt passing lanes, pressure the ball, trap the ball and use 100% effort to GET the ball. Typically this is a behind at the end-of-game " strategy. We weren't that effective with it, but two years ago it worked like a charm AGAINST us. And sometimes last year too.
Coach knows more about defense than the rest of us combined. If he thinks he has the horses - including the rim protectors - and his team has the energy - which means depth, I can easily see him trying it out. All 5 kids on the court have to play as one - yes, of course they always do. But for a full court press to be at maximum effectiveness requires 5 athletic and hopefully long kids on the floor, including a rim runner, who have an intense desire to dominate the offensive team and take the ball away all moving in sync with one another. Do we have that? I don't know. But I saw a lot more potential for that during the Bahamas games than I have seen on a Hoya team in quite some time.
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Post by rhw485 on Aug 27, 2019 11:21:26 GMT -5
Presses have lots of different rationales, designs and effectiveness. Sometimes we - and others - use a 3/4 "soft" press which isn't intended to achieve a TO, it's just to make the opponent spend a little more time and effort getting the ball across halfcourt, to use clock and leave less time to run their offense. Which also means the defenders don't need to be as effective for as long after retreating back to their normal halfcourt D. The other extreme is the desperation, all hands on deck, disrupt the inbounds and the backcourt passing lanes, pressure the ball, trap the ball and use 100% effort to GET the ball. Typically this is a behind at the end-of-game " strategy. We weren't that effective with it, but two years ago it worked like a charm AGAINST us. And sometimes last year too. Coach knows more about defense than the rest of us combined. If he thinks he has the horses - including the rim protectors - and his team has the energy - which means depth, I can easily see him trying it out. All 5 kids on the court have to play as one - yes, of course they always do. But for a full court press to be at maximum effectiveness requires 5 athletic and hopefully long kids on the floor, including a rim runner, who have an intense desire to dominate the offensive team and take the ball away all moving in sync with one another. Do we have that? I don't know. But I saw a lot more potential for that during the Bahamas games than I have seen on a Hoya team in quite some time. Agree with this. I would say whenever we did run press it was more of the 2nd bucket, where the explicit point was a turnover. There would be an immediate double team of the ballhandler and once that part was broken, it was an odd man rush the other way. This does serve the purpose of speeding up the game (which is why I think Ewing likes it), and occasionally teams would rush the odd man break and then we could go the other way. But very rarely did we actually get a turnover off the trap itself. Would much rather see us do a 3/4 press to force the other team to use more clock and limit the potential breakdowns in the halfcourt. I would argue that is essentially Nova's calling card. 3/4 press, switch screens and front the post while aggressively guarding the ballhandler. When we have lineups w Allen or Mosely in backcourt would like to see us switch more screens (maybe switch everything 1-4) and force teams to beat us one-on-one against a short clock.
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 28, 2019 13:37:30 GMT -5
i thinks were gonna belly up on tough half court d In the bahamas we did alot of very efffective man to man but then trapping the ballhandler guards out front doubling with a forward or frequesntly a center AND did it quick enough with great switching my hunch is thats gonna be our d maybe some full court but mainly tough half court man with trapping out front ALOT got the players we will see go hoyas that was best hoya d in years.
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