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Post by prhoya on Aug 18, 2019 16:01:41 GMT -5
Of the centers on the team, the question really becomes which could play minutes at PF. A lot will also depend on who the opponent will be and whether they have a stretch 4 or more of a back to basket type of guy. At first glance, it seems that Wahab and Timothy I. both are traditional centers at this point in their development. While Yurt has an expanded skill set...I think he would struggle guarding a more mobile and athletic stretch 4. Of our 4 bigs, the guy who seems most naturally suited to play minutes at PF is Malcolm Wilson. While he may not be ready to play significant minutes this year...I could see him getting some run at the 4 in years to come. If Pat wants to use a twin tower lineup during a game, Yurt can play C on defense and switch to 4 on offense with a Wilson. Yurt is mobile enough to be Q’s 4 on defense and offense. Tim is the question mark.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Aug 21, 2019 16:34:36 GMT -5
I think the lineup will be Akinjo,mac,mosley at the 3 Leblanc and yurtseven.if Pickett has picked up his game he may start at 3.plenty of depth this year.allen,Blair,Wahab,Alexander,Mosley or Pickett and maybee 1 of the freshman centers,but they probably won’t play much.myron Gardner could be a surprise starter at 3 to? It’s fun to predict but the staff will have the 5 best for what they want out there. Go Hoyas.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Aug 21, 2019 17:08:33 GMT -5
I think the lineup will be Akinjo,mac,mosley at the 3 Leblanc and yurtseven.if Pickett has picked up his game he may start at 3.plenty of depth this year.allen,Blair,Wahab,Alexander,Mosley or Pickett and maybee 1 of the freshman centers,but they probably won’t play much.myron Gardner could be a surprise starter at 3 to? It’s fun to predict but the staff will have the 5 best for what they want out there. Go Hoyas. I will be surprised if we have any one dimensional players (i.e., players who cannot shoot from the outside) in the starting lineup. Starters should be players that play defense and are a threat to score. No more double teaming our big men down low. I like Jagan but I don't see him starting over Pickett.
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Post by jester on Aug 21, 2019 18:50:50 GMT -5
Whatever combo stops this:
“Georgetown lost three of their final four games on the season. They got absolutely hammered by DePaul, 101-69, at Wintrust Arena, giving up runs of 12-0 and 17-0 in the first 14 minutes. After pulling off that Marquette win, the Hoyas then went to Madison Square Garden for the Big East tournament and gave up runs of 13-2 and 18-3 in the first 14 minutes to fall behind 35-15 and end up losing by 17 to Seton Hall.”
Better O and D!
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Post by prhoya on Aug 21, 2019 19:05:23 GMT -5
Whatever combo stops this: “Georgetown lost three of their final four games on the season. They got absolutely hammered by DePaul, 101-69, at Wintrust Arena, giving up runs of 12-0 and 17-0 in the first 14 minutes. After pulling off that Marquette win, the Hoyas then went to Madison Square Garden for the Big East tournament and gave up runs of 13-2 and 18-3 in the first 14 minutes to fall behind 35-15 and end up losing by 17 to Seton Hall.” Better O and D! Better conditioning... Jessie was too tired by March, but that also had to do with not having a natural backup. Looking back at Year 2, IMO Pat's greatest miss was not getting a grad center to backup Jessie (Trey played more like a 4). Plan A was to get Omer qualified for an immediate transfer, but there should have been a Plan B just in case.
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 4, 2019 2:21:45 GMT -5
2 things are going to happen for sure this year.
(1) Full court pressure.....expect to see a lot of defensive pressure for all 94 feet. It’s going to happen and we are going to send waves of defenders at other teams. We are deep and we are going to use it to our advantage.
(2) Expect is to play with two bigs in the line up at once from time to time. Coach experimented with it in the Bahamas ...and it’s going to carry through into the season.
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Post by rhw485 on Sept 4, 2019 6:14:43 GMT -5
2 things are going to happen for sure this year. (1) Full court pressure.....expect to see a lot of defensive pressure for all 94 feet. It’s going to happen and we are going to send waves of defenders at other teams. We are deep and we are going to use it to our advantage. (2) Expect is to play with two bigs in the line up at once from time to time. Coach experimented with it in the Bahamas ...and it’s going to carry through into the season. Interesting, appreciate the insights. I could definitely see us using full court pressure against some of the weaker teams in non-conference schedule, but would imagine it's less effective in Big East especially as teams would be prepared for it after seeing us use it in prior games. I personally would prefer to see Pickett as the backup 4 but I understand the appeal of the two bigs. Will be very interesting if we can get enough spacing on the floor in those lineups to score in the halfcourt. I know Yurt7 shot some 3s at NC State but I dont think he's going to be a Govan-level threat to space the floor for others (and dont think he attempted one in Bahamas).
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 4, 2019 7:07:25 GMT -5
2 things are going to happen for sure this year. (1) Full court pressure.....expect to see a lot of defensive pressure for all 94 feet. It’s going to happen and we are going to send waves of defenders at other teams. We are deep and we are going to use it to our advantage. (2) Expect is to play with two bigs in the line up at once from time to time. Coach experimented with it in the Bahamas ...and it’s going to carry through into the season. Be still my beating heart. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 4, 2019 7:10:50 GMT -5
A bunch of posters completely dismissed what we saw in the Bahamas. It is certainly their right to do so.....but in my opinion it is about the only evidence most of us have about what PE is thinking...except for Blueandgray who gets inside info. Full court pressure and twin towers were certainly big themes in the Bahamas.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 4, 2019 7:45:05 GMT -5
A bunch of posters completely dismissed what we saw in the Bahamas. It is certainly their right to do so.....but in my opinion it is about the only evidence most of us have about what PE is thinking...except for Blueandgray who gets inside info. Full court pressure and twin towers were certainly big themes in the Bahamas. I would add that some of the things we didn’t see in the Bahamas (i.e., Omer shooting 3s) will be there in November.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Sept 4, 2019 8:55:58 GMT -5
2 things are going to happen for sure this year. (1) Full court pressure.....expect to see a lot of defensive pressure for all 94 feet. It’s going to happen and we are going to send waves of defenders at other teams. We are deep and we are going to use it to our advantage. (2) Expect is to play with two bigs in the line up at once from time to time. Coach experimented with it in the Bahamas ...and it’s going to carry through into the season. Hmm, I'm skeptical about having 2 bigs (I'm assuming 2 centers) on the floor at the same time. The landscape of playing small ball seems like the current theme this day in age. Also being able to switch effectively might be a hindrance in this case.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 4, 2019 10:07:45 GMT -5
2 things are going to happen for sure this year. (1) Full court pressure.....expect to see a lot of defensive pressure for all 94 feet. It’s going to happen and we are going to send waves of defenders at other teams. We are deep and we are going to use it to our advantage. (2) Expect is to play with two bigs in the line up at once from time to time. Coach experimented with it in the Bahamas ...and it’s going to carry through into the season. Hmm, I'm skeptical about having 2 bigs (I'm assuming 2 centers) on the floor at the same time. The landscape of playing small ball seems like the current theme this day in age. Also being able to switch effectively might be a hindrance in this case. Switching won't matter if we're getting turnovers off the press. A 2-1-2 with two 7ft mobile guys at back will be nuts, the front 3 can press hard knowing that they'll have a couple of erasers behind them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 10:14:50 GMT -5
Idk... I'll believe the 2 bigs at once when I see it, mainly because I see no benefit to that lineup.
Naji Marshall plays a lot of 4 for Xavier. Alpha Diallo plays a lot of 4 for Providence. I don't see any of our bigs being capable of guarding them. I'm sure both guys would be salivating at that matchup, and none of our bigs are capable of exploiting their mismatch on the other end. Pat doesn't play zone much so that lineup for anything more than a minute or two would be a headscratcher.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 4, 2019 10:17:28 GMT -5
Like the idea of pressing as we have the athletes. Twin towers may be dependent on match up. The bigs need to get back quickly on defense. We do have mobile bigs though.
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Post by BigmanU on Sept 4, 2019 10:19:14 GMT -5
Idk... I'll believe the 2 bigs at once when I see it, mainly because I see no benefit to that lineup. Naji Marshall plays a lot of 4 for Xavier. Alpha Diallo plays a lot of 4 for Providence. I don't see any of our bigs being capable of guarding them. I'm sure both guys would be salivating at that matchup, and none of our bigs are capable of exploiting their mismatch on the other end. Pat doesn't play zone much so that lineup for anything more than a minute or two would be a headscratcher. Yeah, its not like Zo & Dikembe are back there. They were a different level of athlete. Not there yet, but I am intrigued to see this in short spurts.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 4, 2019 10:22:41 GMT -5
I think the fullcourt press would be used in some manner to keep up pace. Outside of Creighton, St. John's and possibly DePaul, pretty much every BE team tried to slow the pace against the Hoyas. Ewing wants to get up and down the floor and if he can increase the pace and scoring by turning over opponents for fastbreak points I can't blame him. He has the tools to do so and he definitely has the depth, athleticism and speed on his squad to do this. Only thing I worried about are open looks for hot shooting teams and picking up fouls.
As for the two bigs at a time I think blueandgray was clear in pointing out it will be situational, not every time out. Its a manner of shaking things up in a way not many other teams could duplicate. When Georgetown was murdering Xavier on their homecourt last season, the coach of X changed things around immediately by putting two bigs on the court. Granted part of the reason was to slow down Govan. There will be no Govan-type of scoring centers in the BE that the Hoyas will have to face this upcoming season.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 4, 2019 10:25:08 GMT -5
Idk... I'll believe the 2 bigs at once when I see it, mainly because I see no benefit to that lineup. Naji Marshall plays a lot of 4 for Xavier. Alpha Diallo plays a lot of 4 for Providence. I don't see any of our bigs being capable of guarding them. I'm sure both guys would be salivating at that matchup, and none of our bigs are capable of exploiting their mismatch on the other end. Pat doesn't play zone much so that lineup for anything more than a minute or two would be a headscratcher. Yeah, its not like Zo & Dikembe are back there. They were a different level of athlete. Not there yet, but I am intrigued to see this in short spurts. Neither Mourning or Deke were comfortable or all that good at guarding on the perimeter. Luckily for them they didn't often face they type of stretch fours and fives of today that would have exploited them from out there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 10:34:00 GMT -5
I think the fullcourt press would be used in some manner to keep up pace. Outside of Creighton, St. John's and possibly DePaul, pretty much every BE team tried to slow the pace against the Hoyas. Ewing wants to get up and down the floor and if he can increase the pace and scoring by turning over opponents for fastbreak points I can't blame him. He has the tools to do so and he definitely has the depth, athleticism and speed on his squad to do this. Only thing I worried about are open looks for hot shooting teams and picking up fouls. As for the two bigs at a time I think blueandgray was clear in pointing out it will be situational, not every time out. Its a manner of shaking things up in a way not many other teams could duplicate. When Georgetown was murdering Xavier on their homecourt last season, the coach of X changed things around immediately by putting two bigs on the court. Granted part of the reason was to slow down Govan. There will be no Govan-type of scoring centers in the BE that the Hoyas will have to face this upcoming season. And it worked for Xavier because both guys could score in the paint and attack their matchup. Unless it's Omer and Wahab that won't be the case for us.. Seems like an effort to get guys pt more than anything else. Personally wish they would just redshirt one of the guys. It makes more sense to do that than two play two centers at once imo.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 4, 2019 11:07:21 GMT -5
And it worked for Xavier because both guys could score in the paint and attack their matchup. Unless it's Omer and Wahab that won't be the case for us.. Seems like an effort to get guys pt more than anything else. Personally wish they would just redshirt one of the guys. It makes more sense to do that than two play two centers at once imo. None of us have seen enough of Ighoefe to claim for certain he couldn't be effective too in a limited oncourt lineup alongside another big. And I feel Ewing likes what Wilson can be as a disruptor playing the four on defense while on offense he can transition to the five hanging just to the side of the basket, not banging for position, for possible rebounds and putbacks or even alley-oops if one of our perimeter guys can drive and draw away his defender. Is it more ideal to redshirt one of the dudes? Yeah, and that's a stance I've taken forever, more because I don't want to waste a season for these bigs who appear to have some real upside. But if Ewing doesn't do this I will trust his judgement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 11:28:26 GMT -5
And it worked for Xavier because both guys could score in the paint and attack their matchup. Unless it's Omer and Wahab that won't be the case for us.. Seems like an effort to get guys pt more than anything else. Personally wish they would just redshirt one of the guys. It makes more sense to do that than two play two centers at once imo. None of us have seen enough of Ighoefe to claim for certain he couldn't be effective too in a limited oncourt lineup alongside another big. And I feel Ewing likes what Wilson can be as a disruptor playing the four on defense while on offense he can transition to the five hanging just to the side of the basket, not banging for position, for possible rebounds and putbacks or even alley-oops if one of our perimeter guys can drive and draw away his defender. Is it more ideal to redshirt one of the dudes? Yeah, and that's a stance I've taken forever, more because I don't want to waste a season for these bigs who appear to have some real upside. But if Ewing doesn't do this I will trust his judgement. I think I've seen enough of Igo to know he won't be effective in that lineup. He played in the EYBL Europe and you can watch most of their games on youtube if you want. He didn't play in some of the later games due to injury fwiw... The only benefit of that lineup I see today is it allows kids to get PT. The game just isn't played like that anymore. Can you imagine us rolling out that lineup against Creighton? Oof...
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