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Post by smokeyjack on Apr 29, 2019 6:08:45 GMT -5
Really? Was under the impression JUCO Alexander is pretty experienced and would be commanding a lot of time at the 3 (vs. Pickett) as opposed to taking the backseat to Gardner Yeah, there is very little chance that Gardner sees more minutes than Alexander, who is much more physically prepared to step in and compete in the Big East. We are deeper than we have been since Jr’s prime. Legit 10+ deep when we’re talking about guys like Blair or Gardner hardly seeing the floor. Practices are going to be very intense, and that’s a huge key to getting your guys battle ready. This kind of depth has been missing at GU for literally decades.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 29, 2019 7:17:00 GMT -5
Really? Was under the impression JUCO Alexander is pretty experienced and would be commanding a lot of time at the 3 (vs. Pickett) as opposed to taking the backseat to Gardner Sounds like he/she was just taking a shot in the dark without actually analyzing the players abilities.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 29, 2019 7:18:02 GMT -5
Really? Was under the impression JUCO Alexander is pretty experienced and would be commanding a lot of time at the 3 (vs. Pickett) as opposed to taking the backseat to Gardner Yeah, there is very little chance that Gardner sees more minutes than Alexander, who is much more physically prepared to step in and compete in the Big East. We are deeper than we have been since Jr’s prime. Legit 10+ deep when we’re talking about guys like Blair or Gardner hardly seeing the floor. Practices are going to be very intense, and that’s a huge key to getting your guys battle ready. This kind of depth has been missing at GU for literally decades. Knock on wood that injuries don't throw a wrench in that. We've had years when we've felt, going in, that we'd have solid depth only to be derailed by guys getting hurt.
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Post by smokeyjack on Apr 29, 2019 7:31:11 GMT -5
Yeah, there is very little chance that Gardner sees more minutes than Alexander, who is much more physically prepared to step in and compete in the Big East. We are deeper than we have been since Jr’s prime. Legit 10+ deep when we’re talking about guys like Blair or Gardner hardly seeing the floor. Practices are going to be very intense, and that’s a huge key to getting your guys battle ready. This kind of depth has been missing at GU for literally decades. Knock on wood that injuries don't throw a wrench in that. We've had years when we've felt, going in, that we'd have solid depth only to be derailed by guys getting hurt. Not really in my opinion. Maybe 1 or 2 JT3 teams had combo guard depth, and very first wave had crossover depth with guys like Bowman, Cook and Owens still there when JWall, Green and Hibbs arrived. But for the better part of the last three decades, GU has had what I’d call Touomou Depth. Lots of extremely one-dimensional role players from Micoud and Nicholls to Malinowski. This season looks and feels very different at this point. I don’t think this is faux Touomou Depth. We have three seasoned guards in Mosley, Allen and Blair who could easily see just 20 mpg between them. We have Redshirt options. We have three wings, and possibly a fourth if LeBlanc’s skills improve. We can run 4 6-10 guys at you, and three of those guys are thick and athletic. We haven’t looked like this getting off the bus since Pops’ glory years.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 29, 2019 7:42:51 GMT -5
Knock on wood that injuries don't throw a wrench in that. We've had years when we've felt, going in, that we'd have solid depth only to be derailed by guys getting hurt. Not really in my opinion. Maybe 1 or 2 JT3 teams had combo guard depth, and very first wave had crossover depth with guys like Bowman, Cook and Owens still there when JWall, Green and Hibbs arrived. But for the better part of the last three decades, GU has had what I’d call Touomou Depth. Lots of extremely one-dimensional role players from Micoud and Nicholls to Malinowski. This season looks and feels very different at this point. I don’t think this is faux Touomou Depth. We have three seasoned guards in Mosley, Allen and Blair who could easily see just 20 mpg between them. We have Redshirt options. We have three wings, and possibly a fourth if LeBlanc’s skills improve. We can run 4 6-10 guys at you, and three of those guys are thick and athletic. We haven’t looked like this getting off the bus since Pops’ glory years. Loved this. Well done.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 29, 2019 8:43:21 GMT -5
Not really in my opinion. Maybe 1 or 2 JT3 teams had combo guard depth, and very first wave had crossover depth with guys like Bowman, Cook and Owens still there when JWall, Green and Hibbs arrived. But for the better part of the last three decades, GU has had what I’d call Touomou Depth. Lots of extremely one-dimensional role players from Micoud and Nicholls to Malinowski. This season looks and feels very different at this point. I don’t think this is faux Touomou Depth. We have three seasoned guards in Mosley, Allen and Blair who could easily see just 20 mpg between them. We have Redshirt options. We have three wings, and possibly a fourth if LeBlanc’s skills improve. We can run 4 6-10 guys at you, and three of those guys are thick and athletic. We haven’t looked like this getting off the bus since Pops’ glory years. Loved this. Well done. This. We have more options legitimate options off the bench than we’ve had in a long while. The one dimensional aspect of our back ups often made it feel like we were playing 2 on 5 on offense with holes on defense. No longer. We will have a very, very good facilitator as our back up PG who is a lockdown defender, a seasoned and battle tested combo guard who was one of our better defenders last year, a streaky shooting guard who in spurts can provide a lift for us, multiple guys at the forward position who can both shoot and slash as well as be solid perimeter defenders, and multiple back ups at center that will likely offer better rim protection and rebounding than we’ve had in a long while. Add to that a starting 5 that features 3 all big east freshman and a really well rounded center and we have something that we should be excited about. This is an NCAA tournament team.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Apr 29, 2019 8:46:23 GMT -5
So what are we thinking here? Big east title contender in 2 years?
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Post by prhoya on Apr 29, 2019 8:50:45 GMT -5
Forgot about him. He'd be a third stringer at SF behind LeBlanc and Gardner I think. Man we're deep. We'll see, but I disagree on Alexander as a third-stringer. In fact, I'm thinking we'll see those three play a lot together. For me, Alexander is a candidate to start.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 29, 2019 8:53:03 GMT -5
So what are we thinking here? Big east title contender in 2 years? Let's see how the BE rosters end up after May, but why not this year? We have the dogs, got some experienced players to balance the team and Pat is hungry.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Apr 29, 2019 9:08:36 GMT -5
So what are we thinking here? Big east title contender in 2 years? Contender? This year.
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Post by theboardkatt on Apr 29, 2019 9:30:36 GMT -5
So what are we thinking here? Big east title contender in 2 years? Contender? This year. I think contend for the BE title this year. Also think anything less than spending some time in the top 25 at some point of the year and a NCAA berth would be under achieving.
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Apr 29, 2019 9:34:28 GMT -5
As I said in a previous thread there are two benefits to the apparent athletic depth which Pat seems to be accumulating (probably a small part of why were not chosen in the Anthony beauty contest). The first is to be able to platoon in a press defense. With the pre-conference schedule he should have ample opportunity to experiment with this. The second is to help with recruiting. By having a distinctive defensive style (which will hopefully be effective) he can distinguish GU in the recruiting process. It worked for for JY II hopefully it will work for him.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 29, 2019 9:35:33 GMT -5
Ignoring that we don’t have enough information about the new players, what is your lineup to get one stop on a make or break possession?
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Post by theboardkatt on Apr 29, 2019 9:57:29 GMT -5
Ignoring that we don’t have enough information about the new players, what is your lineup to get one stop on a make or break possession? Akinjo Mosley Pickett LeBlanc Yurt7 Assuming timeout after the stop maybe Allen in place of Akinjo. The only ones I'd feel 100% confident there are Mosley at 2 and Yurt7
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 29, 2019 10:39:25 GMT -5
Ignoring that we don’t have enough information about the new players, what is your lineup to get one stop on a make or break possession? Akinjo Mosley Pickett LeBlanc Yurt7 Assuming timeout after the stop maybe Allen in place of Akinjo. The only ones I'd feel 100% confident there are Mosley at 2 and Yurt7 Allen has to be on the court. Not going to say for who, but he will be our best defender next season.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 29, 2019 11:44:17 GMT -5
Yeah, there is very little chance that Gardner sees more minutes than Alexander, who is much more physically prepared to step in and compete in the Big East. We are deeper than we have been since Jr’s prime. Legit 10+ deep when we’re talking about guys like Blair or Gardner hardly seeing the floor. Practices are going to be very intense, and that’s a huge key to getting your guys battle ready. This kind of depth has been missing at GU for literally decades. Knock on wood that injuries don't throw a wrench in that. We've had years when we've felt, going in, that we'd have solid depth only to be derailed by guys getting hurt. To name but 2, Austin Freeman and Chris Wright both had some untimely illness/injury...ugh...
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 29, 2019 11:47:58 GMT -5
Knock on wood that injuries don't throw a wrench in that. We've had years when we've felt, going in, that we'd have solid depth only to be derailed by guys getting hurt. Not really in my opinion. Maybe 1 or 2 JT3 teams had combo guard depth, and very first wave had crossover depth with guys like Bowman, Cook and Owens still there when JWall, Green and Hibbs arrived. But for the better part of the last three decades, GU has had what I’d call Touomou Depth. Lots of extremely one-dimensional role players from Micoud and Nicholls to Malinowski. This season looks and feels very different at this point. I don’t think this is faux Touomou Depth. We have three seasoned guards in Mosley, Allen and Blair who could easily see just 20 mpg between them. We have Redshirt options. We have three wings, and possibly a fourth if LeBlanc’s skills improve. We can run 4 6-10 guys at you, and three of those guys are thick and athletic. We haven’t looked like this getting off the bus since Pops’ glory years. Love the Touomou depth comment too. Made me think back to some of the dark years. You can add to that list Daymond Jackson depth, Gharun Hester depth, Trenton Hillier depth, and Dean Berry depth.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 29, 2019 11:49:27 GMT -5
This. We have more options legitimate options off the bench than we’ve had in a long while. The one dimensional aspect of our back ups often made it feel like we were playing 2 on 5 on offense with holes on defense. No longer. We will have a very, very good facilitator as our back up PG who is a lockdown defender, a seasoned and battle tested combo guard who was one of our better defenders last year, a streaky shooting guard who in spurts can provide a lift for us, multiple guys at the forward position who can both shoot and slash as well as be solid perimeter defenders, and multiple back ups at center that will likely offer better rim protection and rebounding than we’ve had in a long while. Add to that a starting 5 that features 3 all big east freshman and a really well rounded center and we have something that we should be excited about. This is an NCAA tournament team. If Pickett starts, it's 4 all BE frosh...!
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 29, 2019 12:47:09 GMT -5
ok but whos going even if red shirt have FOURTEEN schollies one above the limit soooooo interesting diner tonight yup celebrate the team and season and see whats happening ONE TOO MANY
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Post by smokeyjack on Apr 29, 2019 12:51:07 GMT -5
Not really in my opinion. Maybe 1 or 2 JT3 teams had combo guard depth, and very first wave had crossover depth with guys like Bowman, Cook and Owens still there when JWall, Green and Hibbs arrived. But for the better part of the last three decades, GU has had what I’d call Touomou Depth. Lots of extremely one-dimensional role players from Micoud and Nicholls to Malinowski. This season looks and feels very different at this point. I don’t think this is faux Touomou Depth. We have three seasoned guards in Mosley, Allen and Blair who could easily see just 20 mpg between them. We have Redshirt options. We have three wings, and possibly a fourth if LeBlanc’s skills improve. We can run 4 6-10 guys at you, and three of those guys are thick and athletic. We haven’t looked like this getting off the bus since Pops’ glory years. Love the Touomou depth comment too. Made me think back to some of the dark years. You can add to that list Daymond Jackson depth, Gharun Hester depth, Trenton Hillier depth, and Dean Berry depth. Some tremendous obscure Hoyas in this thread. Hester was a really good fball player I believe...who did pretty much earn his uni in that NIT upset of UVA in Charlottesville. But yeah, the point is GU's last three decades of "depth" is littered with Lamont Morgan, Rhese Gibson, Nikita Mescheriakov, Tyler Crawford depth. It's not really depth at all. Now odds are 1 existing and 1-2 incoming guys are flops, but I'd still list the following as legit for sure - Akinjo, Mac, Yurt, LeBlanc, Qudus, Mosley and Allen can definitely play. The next tier of Pickett, Alexander, Blair and Gardner have played well in spurts at GU and or performed at a high level in AAU or Juco ball. That leaves Tim, Grayson and Wilson as the tier we know the least about. Frankly, it's been a long, long time (like never) since I've had 11 Hoyas on a personal "dude can play" list. I haven't been this excited for a season to roll around since we signed Monroe. That team underperformed as a whole (beginning of end for JT3), but when they played well they were nasty. Watching them Edited on Maryland at Disney was one of my favorite days as a Hoya. Just a humbling devastation of Twerp nation that was so satisfying it almost overshadowed an otherwise awful year. That was definitely an inexplicable season for JT3. How do you go 16-15 with a roster including Wright, Freeman, Summers, Monroe, Clark, Sapp, Sims and Vaughn? I know Summers wasn't a great chemistry guy, and Sapp and Wright both wanted the ball, but come on. We all should have known right there that something was terribly wrong with III.
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