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Post by jwp91 on Apr 23, 2019 19:12:27 GMT -5
I was watching Tim’s Insta video and had the following thoughts about the implications of our changing roster.
1) If we have 15-20 fouls to give at the center position depending on whether or not we have a redshirt, wouldn’t that allow us to play a lot more aggressively going for the blocks? This year we really only had 2-4 fouls X 2 of a marginal defensive players at the center position between Govan and Trey. Yurtseven, Qudus, Tim and Wilson all appear to have higher defensive upside then either Jessie or Trey. If our centers can play aggressively knowing there are multiple reinforcements, does that change the whole posture for how our defense plays?
2). Better rim protection allows us to gamble more for steals.
3). More blocks and more steals both could mean more fast break points and an even faster tempo. Mac and James (as well as others) )did well on the break this year.
4). If Akinjo doesn’t learn to get clever, he will never finish at the rim in practice again. Not sure I can imagine a better practice environment in which to figure it out.
I speculate that our team play fundamentally differently on the defensive side of the ball. The depth of players with an more developed Carter and an Alexander, and the new prescence of rim protection may allow more pressing...and pressing that actually creates turnovers.
I am getting excited about next year!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 19:58:29 GMT -5
Omer is our center. If he's as good as advertised, he'll probably be on the floor close to 30 minutes a night. So it's not like we'll be running out an unending rotation of superior shot blockers.
Our interior defense at the 5 largely depends on Yurt.
If somebody else can step up to be a designated defender/shot blocker (Obekpa, Owens type), that's great. But I wouldn't bank on any of the freshmen being that guy right away - or maybe all season.
Getting a combined 10-12 "better than Sodom" minutes from Q/Tim/MW us probably the bar.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 23, 2019 20:01:48 GMT -5
Omer is our center. If he's as good as advertised, he'll probably be on the floor close to 30 minutes a night. So it's not like we'll be running out an unending rotation of superior shot blockers. Our interior defense at the 5 largely depends on Yurt. If somebody else can step up to be a designated defender/shot blocker (Obekpa, Owens type), that's great. But I wouldn't bank on any of the freshmen being that guy right away - or maybe all season. Yea...but if he picks up 2 fouls in the 1st half, we could have 2 others go out there and not recede into a shell. The fact that we have a 3rd and maybe a 4th option cheapens the risk of each Yurt early foul. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 20:07:58 GMT -5
Omer is our center. If he's as good as advertised, he'll probably be on the floor close to 30 minutes a night. So it's not like we'll be running out an unending rotation of superior shot blockers. Our interior defense at the 5 largely depends on Yurt. If somebody else can step up to be a designated defender/shot blocker (Obekpa, Owens type), that's great. But I wouldn't bank on any of the freshmen being that guy right away - or maybe all season. Yea...but if he picks up 2 fouls in the 1st half, we could have 2 others go out there and not recede into a shell. The fact that we have a 3rd and maybe a 4th option makes cheapens the risk of each Yurt early foul. We'll see. There will certainly be more options. To this point, Pat's been pretty conservative dishing out minutes to FR bigs (Sodom, Walker, Carter). Josh excluded, obviously -- but even he had to have some consistently great play before Pat loosened the reins. |
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 23, 2019 20:18:50 GMT -5
Yea...but if he picks up 2 fouls in the 1st half, we could have 2 others go out there and not recede into a shell. The fact that we have a 3rd and maybe a 4th option makes cheapens the risk of each Yurt early foul. We'll see. There will certainly be more options. To this point, Pat's been pretty conservative dishing out minutes to FR bigs (Sodom, Walker, Carter). Josh excluded, obviously -- but even he had to have some consistently great play before Pat loosened the reins. Watch Tim’s video from today. (On paper at this point, Tim seems to be the 3rd option/most polished behind Omer and Qudus). Then tell me that Sodom, Walker, or Carter are a comp for him. I am not sure those examples apply. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 20:34:59 GMT -5
We'll see. There will certainly be more options. To this point, Pat's been pretty conservative dishing out minutes to FR bigs (Sodom, Walker, Carter). Josh excluded, obviously -- but even he had to have some consistently great play before Pat loosened the reins. Watch Tim’s video from today. (On paper at this point, Tim seems to be the 3rd option/most polished behind Omer and Qudus). Then tell me that Sodom, Walker, or Carter are a comp for him. I am not sure those examples apply. Sodom & Walker hardly played last year when we literally had no other backup bigs on our roster. These were 3-star guys with size and athleticism. How much time do you think a 3rd center is gonna get next year? |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 23, 2019 20:44:26 GMT -5
We'll see. There will certainly be more options. To this point, Pat's been pretty conservative dishing out minutes to FR bigs (Sodom, Walker, Carter). Josh excluded, obviously -- but even he had to have some consistently great play before Pat loosened the reins. Watch Tim’s video from today. (On paper at this point, Tim seems to be the 3rd option/most polished behind Omer and Qudus). Then tell me that Sodom, Walker, or Carter are a comp for him. I am not sure those examples apply. Have to agree here. You don't want Yurt to foul but for fouls to be less punitive than the drop off from Jessie to Trey is a big deal. Depth matters especially in the ever shifting universe that is NCAA officiating. And with big men the difference crew to crew is even more pronounced. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 23, 2019 22:17:41 GMT -5
Omer is our center. If he's as good as advertised, he'll probably be on the floor close to 30 minutes a night. So it's not like we'll be running out an unending rotation of superior shot blockers. Our interior defense at the 5 largely depends on Yurt. If somebody else can step up to be a designated defender/shot blocker (Obekpa, Owens type), that's great. But I wouldn't bank on any of the freshmen being that guy right away - or maybe all season. Getting a combined 10-12 "better than Sodom" minutes from Q/Tim/MW us probably the bar. Disagree I think Double Yurt7 can play power forward with his skill set. This allows our shot blockers to play the 5. In such a scenario LeBlanc can play a lot of the 3 making us very long and tall. |
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Post by gujake on Apr 23, 2019 22:29:32 GMT -5
Fouls are bad, whether or not anyone gets into foul trouble. Allowing the other team to shoot free throws hurts both defensive and offensive efficiency (because it's harder to score when the defense is set).
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 23, 2019 22:35:29 GMT -5
Fouls are bad, whether or not anyone gets into foul trouble. Allowing the other team to shoot free throws hurts both defensive and offensive efficiency (because it's harder to score when the defense is set). Absolutely right. While I certainly hope to see defensive improvement all around, I truly think way too much emphasis has been at center, without recognizing that we need serious improvement from everybody else or it won't matter. Rim protection only goes so far, especially in the modern game when threes are so abundant. But our guards, especially, were putrid on offense this season, and if the defense outside doesn't improve, it won't matter. |
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Post by bornhoya on Apr 23, 2019 22:42:25 GMT -5
Omer is our center. If he's as good as advertised, he'll probably be on the floor close to 30 minutes a night. So it's not like we'll be running out an unending rotation of superior shot blockers. Our interior defense at the 5 largely depends on Yurt. If somebody else can step up to be a designated defender/shot blocker (Obekpa, Owens type), that's great. But I wouldn't bank on any of the freshmen being that guy right away - or maybe all season. Getting a combined 10-12 "better than Sodom" minutes from Q/Tim/MW us probably the bar. Disagree I think Double Yurt7 can play power forward with his skill set. This allows our shot blockers to play the 5. In such a scenario LeBlanc can play a lot of the 3 making us very long and tall. So you think he can guard 6’6 and 6’7 guys |
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 23, 2019 22:47:28 GMT -5
Disagree I think Double Yurt7 can play power forward with his skill set. This allows our shot blockers to play the 5. In such a scenario LeBlanc can play a lot of the 3 making us very long and tall. So you think he can guard 6’6 and 6’7 guys Better than someone 6’6” can probably guard him... |
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 24, 2019 5:04:35 GMT -5
Maybe you play 2-3 zone with Qudus/Yurt/Leblanc as your back line. A 7’0 Yurt with his offensive game should be able to abuse an opponent’s 4. Or get their coach to put someone on the floor he doesn’t want on the floor.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 24, 2019 5:10:50 GMT -5
Watch Tim’s video from today. (On paper at this point, Tim seems to be the 3rd option/most polished behind Omer and Qudus). Then tell me that Sodom, Walker, or Carter are a comp for him. I am not sure those examples apply. Sodom & Walker hardly played last year when we literally had no other backup bigs on our roster. These were 3-star guys with size and athleticism. How much time do you think a 3rd center is gonna get next year? 5 minutes. Ideally, Yurt plays 25-30 minutes a game hard. Qudus plays 10-15 minutes a game with the foul trouble that freshman bigs are prone to have. And the 3rd gets 0-5 a game and maybe more when he shows he is having a good game. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 24, 2019 6:04:27 GMT -5
Fouls are bad, whether or not anyone gets into foul trouble. Allowing the other team to shoot free throws hurts both defensive and offensive efficiency (because it's harder to score when the defense is set). Absolutely right. While I certainly hope to see defensive improvement all around, I truly think way too much emphasis has been at center, without recognizing that we need serious improvement from everybody else or it won't matter. Rim protection only goes so far, especially in the modern game when threes are so abundant. But our guards, especially, were putrid on offense this season, and if the defense outside doesn't improve, it won't matter. When we are up, say, 8-10 points with 5-6 minutes to go, and the other team has bigs that do not shoot FTs well, fouls are great. Hack-A-Shaq the heck out of those guys and force them to score from the line. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 24, 2019 6:36:45 GMT -5
Disagree I think Double Yurt7 can play power forward with his skill set. This allows our shot blockers to play the 5. In such a scenario LeBlanc can play a lot of the 3 making us very long and tall. So you think he can guard 6’6 and 6’7 guys So you think A 6’6 and 6’7 guy can defend a 7 foot 270 lbs elite guy? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 8:11:33 GMT -5
So you think he can guard 6’6 and 6’7 guys So you think A 6’6 and 6’7 guy can defend a 7 foot 270 lbs elite guy? An outside shot doesn't make Jessie or Omer a 4. It doesn't make Carter a 3. And it doesn't make Jamorko a 2. Too much height pretty much ensures that nearly all facets of the game (other than defensive rebounding & shot blocking) will be compromised. Jessie's ability to step away from the block gives him a quality that separates him from most centers. Keep him out there regularly and he's a pretty pedestrian offensive player (also see Marcus FR/SO years). When we get Marvin Bagley/Wendell Carter or Willie Cauley Stein/Dakari Johnson/Karl Anthony Towns/Trey Lyles, we can figure out how to feature a huge 4/5. |
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 24, 2019 8:31:43 GMT -5
So you think A 6’6 and 6’7 guy can defend a 7 foot 270 lbs elite guy? An outside shot doesn't make Jessie or Omer a 4. It doesn't make Carter a 3. And it doesn't make Jamorko a 2. Too much height pretty much ensures that nearly all facets of the game (other than defensive rebounding & shot blocking) will be compromised. Jessie's ability to step away from the block gives him a quality that separates him from most centers. Keep him out there regularly and he's a pretty pedestrian offensive player (also see Marcus FR/SO years). When we get Marvin Bagley/Wendell Carter or Willie Cauley Stein/Dakari Johnson/Karl Anthony Towns/Trey Lyles, we can figure out how to feature a huge 4/5. Oh, so now you know how he’ll perform as a Hoya? Or is it that youre ASSuming that people only think he can play 4 because of his jumper? His jumper is just one of the qualities that makes him a good offensive player. It’s probably not even in his top 3 strengths... FYI Dakari Johnson is the worst example. So is WCS. Also, height doesn’t determine skill set, in case you haven’t been paying attention to basketball the last 10 years.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 9:22:38 GMT -5
An outside shot doesn't make Jessie or Omer a 4. It doesn't make Carter a 3. And it doesn't make Jamorko a 2. Too much height pretty much ensures that nearly all facets of the game (other than defensive rebounding & shot blocking) will be compromised. Jessie's ability to step away from the block gives him a quality that separates him from most centers. Keep him out there regularly and he's a pretty pedestrian offensive player (also see Marcus FR/SO years). When we get Marvin Bagley/Wendell Carter or Willie Cauley Stein/Dakari Johnson/Karl Anthony Towns/Trey Lyles, we can figure out how to feature a huge 4/5. Oh, so now you know how he’ll perform as a Hoya? Or is it that youre ASSuming that people only think he can play 4 because of his jumper? His jumper is just one of the qualities that makes him a good offensive player. It’s probably not even in his top 3 strengths... FYI Dakari Johnson is the worst example. So is WCS. Also, height doesn’t determine skill set, in case you haven’t been paying attention to basketball the last 10 years.... Solid commentary. You're a credit to the board. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 9:47:07 GMT -5
Sodom & Walker hardly played last year when we literally had no other backup bigs on our roster. These were 3-star guys with size and athleticism. How much time do you think a 3rd center is gonna get next year? 5 minutes. Ideally, Yurt plays 25-30 minutes a game hard. Qudus plays 10-15 minutes a game with the foul trouble that freshman bigs are prone to have. And the 3rd gets 0-5 a game and maybe more when he shows he is having a good game. I agree with that for the most part. I guess it just boils down to a we've got more bigs, so we've got the freedom to play harder inside argument -- which I don't think really applies. My guess is that we'll want Omer on the floor as much as possible. He won't be shackled by we can't afford any fouls on you, like Marcus & Jessie were last year... but I also don't think it lets him play any more aggressively on the defensive end than he normally would. It's still just 3 unproven FR bigs behind him. |
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