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Post by TC on Mar 27, 2019 9:11:40 GMT -5
I think it's great for St. Joe's and definitely W&M, but in the SEC? I don't see it. It's true that Vandy is sort of a bottom tier SEC job, but I'd be shocked if their fans were thrilled about JT3. They don't see themselves as bottom tier and want to be competing with Coach Cal, Bruce Pearl, Will Wade and the rest of the big budget SEC. From that perspective, I don't think JTIII has a high enough ceiling, and they'd probably want somebody younger who can at least sell hope. An unbiased college hoops observer might say that III is a solid fit at Vandy, but I don't expect him to generate a ton of buzz, which is what they need to stand any chance in that league. I could be wrong, I haven't perused Vandy message boards or Vandy Twitter. But I'd guess their temperature would be somewhere around what ours was about Tommy Amaker. I think you're discounting the strong academics angle and that you shouldn't be - the other coach they seem to be discussing is Johnny Dawkins, because he previously coached at Stanford. I think Vanderbilt doesn't want to get engaged in the cesspool. Also, JT3's resume is way, way better than Dawkins', and he's younger.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 27, 2019 9:17:49 GMT -5
Many in this thread seem to be assuming JT3 today is the JT3 of the last few years at GU. From what I’ve gathered, he is continuing to evolve and imho is more than good enough for a program like Vandy. Did all the more seasoned coaches mentioned in this thread find their permanent home during their first or second stint? Don’t think so Exactly. I am actually quite curious what a new JT3 team would look like. Would he revert to the Princeton style principles that brought him so much success in the early days? Would he continue toward the higher tempo more guard-focused offense he used in the latter part of his tenure? Can he coach a defense under the current rules that doesn't foul a ton? It's a wide misconception that JT3 coached the Princeton offense throughout his entire tenure; his last few years may have had some Princeton principles, but the offense - whatever it was - was certainly not a classic Princeton offense. Part of the problem with the idea that he only had success in the early days is that it focuses solely on the NCAA, where obviously, he did not do well. But, keep in mind that JT3 had significant success otherwise in the regular season, even as recently as 2013 and 2015. Obviously, the last few years were really bad, though. Clearly, if any school is going to take a shot at JT3, they are going to have to believe that he will achieve something closer to the first 10 years of his stint at Georgetown than the last few. Also, he did have success at Princeton, a much different type of job. To me, the biggest question on JT3 is whether he can adapt to the current landscape, mostly notably the newer style game, the current defensive rules, and the crappy recruiting atmosphere that seems to get worse and worse by the year. If I had to bet, I think he can turn around a bad program like Vanderbilt. Whether he reaches the successes he had in the early days of Georgetown, I don't know.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 27, 2019 9:56:24 GMT -5
Many in this thread seem to be assuming JT3 today is the JT3 of the last few years at GU. From what I’ve gathered, he is continuing to evolve and imho is more than good enough for a program like Vandy. Did all the more seasoned coaches mentioned in this thread find their permanent home during their first or second stint? Don’t think so A difficult leap for an AD in the SEC! I don't know anything about the Vandy fan base. Is it like GU's that the team plays to half-empty stadiums unless it's a hated/big opponent or is it a rabid, demanding fan base? JT3 will need to match the fan base's energy, not the other way around. Will the AD and that fan base allow JT3 to not give any explanations for losing games other than generalities? It will be his first time as a coach without a protector. Think of the difference between a JT3 press conference and a Pat press conference. Also, is he willing to put the long hours in recruiting required to compete for a championship or just to be competitive? Remember that other than Tremont, he was drawing a blank in his last recruiting efforts and he wasn't visible in the summer circuit and in high school gyms. Finally, how does he explain the Julian Vaughn interview (JT3 quitting on practice prep for Ohio game the night before the game)? I agree with RB in that he should go to SJU or W&M for a few years. We're seeing plenty of teams with short leashes, so there will be attractive options for him every year. Again, all of that is in the past. You live and you learn. JT3 is intelligent and observing the game from a different vantage point will only make him a better coach. He isn’t perfect, but part of my point was that no coach is. Also, some of those concerns you mention are either insignificant or just narrative. “First time as a coach without a protector”?? Really? What do you even mean by that? Also, the fact that JT3 and Ewing have different personalities and exercise different levels of transparency literally have nothing to do with coaching ability and not everyone in a fan base gets their panties in a bunch when a coach is being coy. At the end of the day it’s their teamand were noton it, were simply observing and most often a coach’s responsibility to his players far outweighs any responsibility to the fans no matter how much some around here get worked up about it. There is way more information surrounding a program than quotes from their head coach, I think a lot of people get frustrated when they have to dig a little deeper, but it’s not like III ever hid anything that the fan base had a right to know.... all that to say it’s a matter of style what the AD prefers because the calculus in that type of decision doesn’t worry quite as much about those fan “concerns” as you do, I promise you that. Wins are the goal, regardless of style.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 27, 2019 10:10:41 GMT -5
Again, all of that is in the past. You live and you learn. JT3 is intelligent and observing the game from a different vantage point will only make him a better coach. He isn’t perfect, but part of my point was that no coach is. You're assuming that. Again, it's a big leap for an AD in the SEC. “First time as a coach without a protector”?? Really? What do you even mean by that? Pops, and the lack of accountability at GU. Again, I don't know anything about the Vandy fan base and you did not mention anything about it, so I will believe that the rest is just your opinion.
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Post by guru on Mar 27, 2019 10:15:36 GMT -5
Many in this thread seem to be assuming JT3 today is the JT3 of the last few years at GU. From what I’ve gathered, he is continuing to evolve and imho is more than good enough for a program like Vandy. Did all the more seasoned coaches mentioned in this thread find their permanent home during their first or second stint? Don’t think so A difficult leap for an AD in the SEC! I don't know anything about the Vandy fan base. Is it like GU's that the team plays to half-empty stadiums unless it's a hated/big opponent or is it a rabid, demanding fan base? JT3 will need to match the fan base's energy, not the other way around. Will the AD and that fan base allow JT3 to not give any explanations for losing games other than generalities? It will be his first time as a coach without a protector. Think of the difference between a JT3 press conference and a Pat press conference. Also, is he willing to put the long hours in recruiting required to compete for a championship or just to be competitive? Remember that other than Tremont, he was drawing a blank in his last recruiting efforts and he wasn't visible in the summer circuit and in high school gyms. Finally, how does he explain the Julian Vaughn interview (JT3 quitting on practice prep for Ohio game the night before the game)? I agree with RB in that he should go to SJU or W&M for a few years. We're seeing plenty of teams with short leashes, so there will be attractive options for him every year. What’s the Julian Vaughn interview reference? I don’t much care where JT3 ends up next. The most telling thing about the time since his departure is that I’ve never once wished he were still at Georgetown. Those were dreadful days by the end.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 27, 2019 10:19:52 GMT -5
www.casualhoya.com/2018/3/21/17147168/julian-vaughn-georgetown-hoyas-pro-fit-basketball-training-rockville-maryland"Simply put, what the heck happened in that Ohio game? Looking back at it, was there anything you would or could have done differently? Ohio - I don’t think anyone would be too mad at me if I talked about it now that it’s almost 7 years removed. It wasn’t a case at all of us overlooking them, or being overrated like people thought. We had a really, really solid team that year. Probably the strongest guard in the entire conference in Chris, who could take anyone 1v1 in the country. Two snipers in Austin and Jason, and Me and Greg down low. We knew we were good, and played all year like it for the most part. You don’t just luck up and get a 3 seed. Ohio, position for position was not better than us. No way. But I remember the practice the night before the game, we were going over their plays. Just like always. The starting 5 usually guards the next 5, with the next 5 doing the plays of the other team. I remember going thru the first play and they were carving us up. We couldn’t figure out how to stop all the options. We got yelled at, fixed it....and then they would find another option for a cutter or wide open 3. After like 3-4 adjustments of not stopping that play, JT3 got mad and changed the play to another. Literally, the same thing happened. I don’t think we stopped them from scoring or having a super solid look in 10-12 possessions. Coach got Editeded and basically called practice and told us to just get shots up for the next 30 minutes. I know he was thinking we weren’t focused, but I was chatting Austin I think and was like “Bro, we need to figure this out before tomorrow or its going to be tough”. And that’s what happened. It was more their system was something funky we hadn’t seen, and probably needed another day or two to master it. Not that they had better players. The thing with teams like that, those are the WORST games to play. Because everyone in the world expects them to lose. Even them deep down. Its important to just come out, finish them early and erase any thought of a win. Then they will give up because, “hey, this was supposed to happen”. But if you give them any daylight, they get confident. They hit shots they don’t normally make. Refs are human, and they feed off the underdog energy and crowd. They get some calls. Then boom, its over."
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Mar 27, 2019 11:06:48 GMT -5
www.casualhoya.com/2018/3/21/17147168/julian-vaughn-georgetown-hoyas-pro-fit-basketball-training-rockville-maryland"Simply put, what the heck happened in that Ohio game? Looking back at it, was there anything you would or could have done differently? Ohio - I don’t think anyone would be too mad at me if I talked about it now that it’s almost 7 years removed. It wasn’t a case at all of us overlooking them, or being overrated like people thought. We had a really, really solid team that year. Probably the strongest guard in the entire conference in Chris, who could take anyone 1v1 in the country. Two snipers in Austin and Jason, and Me and Greg down low. We knew we were good, and played all year like it for the most part. You don’t just luck up and get a 3 seed. Ohio, position for position was not better than us. No way. But I remember the practice the night before the game, we were going over their plays. Just like always. The starting 5 usually guards the next 5, with the next 5 doing the plays of the other team. I remember going thru the first play and they were carving us up. We couldn’t figure out how to stop all the options. We got yelled at, fixed it....and then they would find another option for a cutter or wide open 3. After like 3-4 adjustments of not stopping that play, JT3 got mad and changed the play to another. Literally, the same thing happened. I don’t think we stopped them from scoring or having a super solid look in 10-12 possessions. Coach got Editeded and basically called practice and told us to just get shots up for the next 30 minutes. I know he was thinking we weren’t focused, but I was chatting Austin I think and was like “Bro, we need to figure this out before tomorrow or its going to be tough”. And that’s what happened. It was more their system was something funky we hadn’t seen, and probably needed another day or two to master it. Not that they had better players. The thing with teams like that, those are the WORST games to play. Because everyone in the world expects them to lose. Even them deep down. Its important to just come out, finish them early and erase any thought of a win. Then they will give up because, “hey, this was supposed to happen”. But if you give them any daylight, they get confident. They hit shots they don’t normally make. Refs are human, and they feed off the underdog energy and crowd. They get some calls. Then boom, its over." This is simply devastating information. I had never heard that before. Btw, why do we think JT3 in his 2 year hiatus would suddenly figure out why we fouled more than 300 other D1 teams in the nation? We never adjusted to this issue over 2-3 years and the resulting foul trouble and free throw disparity usually killed us in games. And, I am one of those who believe he continued to recruit (or sign) some highly rated recruits who were ill-suited for his offense (early princeton, princeton on steroids, modern motion or whatever your pick).
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 27, 2019 11:17:47 GMT -5
Well, that does it. JT III cannot coach because clearly he is the first coach to have called off practice when his team was not focused, or he perceived them as such. Devastating. Horrible. A condemnation. Or not.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 27, 2019 11:19:02 GMT -5
The other issue that isn't well discussed is how the seedings for the NCAA have changed, in part as a reaction to George Mason and Davidson and how JT III got caught flat-footed with Ohio and VCU.(Florida Gulf Coast is another topic altogether.)
Prior to 2010, games were scheduled to form--a 2/15 game wasn't supposed to be close, and a 2/7 second round game only slightly more competitive. The seedings now introduce more opportunity for upsets because 1) the selections of teams from 4 to 15 are increasingly subjective and the 2) use of region-based selections has been thrown out the door.
1) Why is Marquette a 4, for example, and not a 9? In past years, it was more straight forward and now there is a certain amount of seed-swapping to ensure a good match for TV and, by result, an opportunity for more viewers for an upset. It doesn't hurt the 1 seeds given the disparity vs. #16 schools but higher seeds don't enjoy the advantage they once did in lower rounds and frankly speaking, Georgetown got much tougher first round opponents in Ohio and VCU than the seeding deserved. Was a 22 win Ohio team, the Mid-American Conference champions and, winners of seven of its last eight, really a #14 seed?
2) There are no advantages to a region anymore, The 2007 team played four eastern teams in the Eastern regional (Belmont, BC, Vanderbilt, North Carolina) in eastern cities (Winston-Salem, Meadowlands). This year's #2 seed in the East isn't playing in the east, it plays in Des Moines. The first and second round games for the West Regional were in...Hartford. It isn't necessarily good or bad, but it adds a layer of preparedness to teams, some of which thrive on it and some who likes things another way.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 27, 2019 11:35:03 GMT -5
Again, all of that is in the past. You live and you learn. JT3 is intelligent and observing the game from a different vantage point will only make him a better coach. He isn’t perfect, but part of my point was that no coach is. You're assuming that. Again, it's a big leap for an AD in the SEC. “First time as a coach without a protector”?? Really? What do you even mean by that? Pops, and the lack of accountability at GU. Again, I don't know anything about the Vandy fan base and you did not mention anything about it, so I will believe that the rest is just your opinion. It’s an assumption that experience is a key ingredient for growth? Okay, my bad. Crazy to think that a coach who still coaches for USA basketball and who has said he learned a lot from his failures at GU has gotten any better. Also, is “it’s a big leap for an AD in the SEC” supposed to relate to the discussion I thought we were having about JT3’s coaching ability? You know, the coaching ability that already has him in talks with the Vanderbilt decision makers? You still haven’t described what this “leap” is. Sounds like a cool story though I’ll give you that. So, in your imagination what doesn’t “lack of accountability” actually manifest itself as? Like does that have any bearing on reality or how JT3 handled his responsibilities as a coach? You must have some inside info and examples if you’re so confident. That is, of course, making the assumption that he wasn’t accountable, which would be an interesting argument to make, but still doesn’t amount to any sort of fact. Did he have a slightly longer leash than an average coach? I don’t know and neither do you. If he did, would it have been because of his early success as a coach or because his father brought this program to prominence and is still doing his best to keep it relevant? Literally who knows? Also, your assumption that I don’t know anything about the Vanderbilt fan base simply because you don’t and I didn’t feel a need to argue against something you readily admitted you have no clue about is, at best, asinine logic. Not trying to be mean or anything but your responses/opinions just read like a narrative and i don’t have the slightest clue what you base your assumptions on, concretely.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 27, 2019 11:38:27 GMT -5
www.casualhoya.com/2018/3/21/17147168/julian-vaughn-georgetown-hoyas-pro-fit-basketball-training-rockville-maryland"Simply put, what the heck happened in that Ohio game? Looking back at it, was there anything you would or could have done differently? Ohio - I don’t think anyone would be too mad at me if I talked about it now that it’s almost 7 years removed. It wasn’t a case at all of us overlooking them, or being overrated like people thought. We had a really, really solid team that year. Probably the strongest guard in the entire conference in Chris, who could take anyone 1v1 in the country. Two snipers in Austin and Jason, and Me and Greg down low. We knew we were good, and played all year like it for the most part. You don’t just luck up and get a 3 seed. Ohio, position for position was not better than us. No way. But I remember the practice the night before the game, we were going over their plays. Just like always. The starting 5 usually guards the next 5, with the next 5 doing the plays of the other team. I remember going thru the first play and they were carving us up. We couldn’t figure out how to stop all the options. We got yelled at, fixed it....and then they would find another option for a cutter or wide open 3. After like 3-4 adjustments of not stopping that play, JT3 got mad and changed the play to another. Literally, the same thing happened. I don’t think we stopped them from scoring or having a super solid look in 10-12 possessions. Coach got Editeded and basically called practice and told us to just get shots up for the next 30 minutes. I know he was thinking we weren’t focused, but I was chatting Austin I think and was like “Bro, we need to figure this out before tomorrow or its going to be tough”. And that’s what happened. It was more their system was something funky we hadn’t seen, and probably needed another day or two to master it. Not that they had better players. The thing with teams like that, those are the WORST games to play. Because everyone in the world expects them to lose. Even them deep down. Its important to just come out, finish them early and erase any thought of a win. Then they will give up because, “hey, this was supposed to happen”. But if you give them any daylight, they get confident. They hit shots they don’t normally make. Refs are human, and they feed off the underdog energy and crowd. They get some calls. Then boom, its over." This is simply devastating information. I had never heard that before. Btw, why do we think JT3 in his 2 year hiatus would suddenly figure out why we fouled more than 300 other D1 teams in the nation? We never adjusted to this issue over 2-3 years and the resulting foul trouble and free throw disparity usually killed us in games. And, I am one of those who believe he continued to recruit (or sign) some highly rated recruits who were ill-suited for his offense (early princeton, princeton on steroids, modern motion or whatever your pick). 2 years of coaching isn’t exactly all that “sudden”. Especially when you rub shoulders with some of the best coaches in the world? He’s not trying to figure out how to split an atom, just to fit his basketball principles fit into the way the game is being played now.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 27, 2019 11:39:23 GMT -5
Well, that does it. JT III cannot coach because clearly he is the first coach to have called off practice when his team was not focused, or he perceived them as such. Devastating. Horrible. A condemnation. Or not. Yeah the Vanderbilt staff is soooooo dumb they should just come to this thread it’ll save them a lot of time That said, if anyone here has ever actually had the actual experience of hiring a new coach for an NCAA program it would be cool if you decided to chime in now. None of us, me included, really understand what that decision making process is ultimately about.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Mar 27, 2019 11:55:25 GMT -5
Well, that does it. JT III cannot coach because clearly he is the first coach to have called off practice when his team was not focused, or he perceived them as such. Devastating. Horrible. A condemnation. Or not.unless he has changed his coaching philosophy.
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 27, 2019 12:24:07 GMT -5
The other issue that isn't well discussed is how the seedings for the NCAA have changed, in part as a reaction to George Mason and Davidson and how JT III got caught flat-footed with Ohio and VCU.(Florida Gulf Coast is another topic altogether.) Prior to 2010, games were scheduled to form--a 2/15 game wasn't supposed to be close, and a 2/7 second round game only slightly more competitive. The seedings now introduce more opportunity for upsets because 1) the selections of teams from 4 to 15 are increasingly subjective and the 2) use of region-based selections has been thrown out the door. 1) Why is Marquette a 4, for example, and not a 9? In past years, it was more straight forward and now there is a certain amount of seed-swapping to ensure a good match for TV and, by result, an opportunity for more viewers for an upset. It doesn't hurt the 1 seeds given the disparity vs. #16 schools but higher seeds don't enjoy the advantage they once did in lower rounds and frankly speaking, Georgetown got much tougher first round opponents in Ohio and VCU than the seeding deserved. Was a 22 win Ohio team, the Mid-American Conference champions and, winners of seven of its last eight, really a #14 seed? 2) There are no advantages to a region anymore, The 2007 team played four eastern teams in the Eastern regional (Belmont, BC, Vanderbilt, North Carolina) in eastern cities (Winston-Salem, Meadowlands). This year's #2 seed in the East isn't playing in the east, it plays in Des Moines. The first and second round games for the West Regional were in...Hartford. It isn't necessarily good or bad, but it adds a layer of preparedness to teams, some of which thrive on it and some who likes things another way. Ohio was a 7-9 team in the MAC. Just because they beat us, doesn't make them "tougher" than their seed. PS--they got clobbered by a 6 seed Tennessee in the 2nd round. VCU finished 4th in the Colonial. They were effectively the last team in the tournament that year. VCU proceeded to make a run based on the fact that outside the Colonial, the rest of college ball had not yet figured out Havoc. Davidson was a little different, they were a dominant team in the SoCon--nonetheless, that wasn't a first round game, and tougher games are to be expected as you get later in the tournament. The issue was not seeding, Ohio, VCU, FGCU had the seeds they deserved based on their regular season performace---the problem was that these teams were better prepared and caught us off guard. It is legitimate to defend III based on his regular season performance through Otto's graduation. But there really is no point in making excuses for his NCAA tournament record post-2007.
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Post by guru on Mar 27, 2019 12:41:56 GMT -5
The other issue that isn't well discussed is how the seedings for the NCAA have changed, in part as a reaction to George Mason and Davidson and how JT III got caught flat-footed with Ohio and VCU.(Florida Gulf Coast is another topic altogether.) Prior to 2010, games were scheduled to form--a 2/15 game wasn't supposed to be close, and a 2/7 second round game only slightly more competitive. The seedings now introduce more opportunity for upsets because 1) the selections of teams from 4 to 15 are increasingly subjective and the 2) use of region-based selections has been thrown out the door. 1) Why is Marquette a 4, for example, and not a 9? In past years, it was more straight forward and now there is a certain amount of seed-swapping to ensure a good match for TV and, by result, an opportunity for more viewers for an upset. It doesn't hurt the 1 seeds given the disparity vs. #16 schools but higher seeds don't enjoy the advantage they once did in lower rounds and frankly speaking, Georgetown got much tougher first round opponents in Ohio and VCU than the seeding deserved. Was a 22 win Ohio team, the Mid-American Conference champions and, winners of seven of its last eight, really a #14 seed? 2) There are no advantages to a region anymore, The 2007 team played four eastern teams in the Eastern regional (Belmont, BC, Vanderbilt, North Carolina) in eastern cities (Winston-Salem, Meadowlands). This year's #2 seed in the East isn't playing in the east, it plays in Des Moines. The first and second round games for the West Regional were in...Hartford. It isn't necessarily good or bad, but it adds a layer of preparedness to teams, some of which thrive on it and some who likes things another way. Ohio was a 7-9 team in the MAC. Just because they beat us, doesn't make them "tougher" than their seed. PS--they got clobbered by a 6 seed Tennessee in the 2nd round. VCU finished 4th in the Colonial. They were effectively the last team in the tournament that year. VCU proceeded to make a run based on the fact that outside the Colonial, the rest of college ball had not yet figured out Havoc. Davidson was a little different, they were a dominant team in the SoCon--nonetheless, that wasn't a first round game, and tougher games are to be expected as you get later in the tournament. The issue was not seeding, Ohio, VCU, FGCU had the seeds they deserved based on their regular season performace---the problem was that these teams were better prepared and caught us off guard. It is legitimate to defend III based on his regular season performance through Otto's graduation. But there really is no point in making excuses for his NCAA tournament record post-2007. Also JT3 became adept at gaming the old system - he’d play a tough schedule OOC and the strength of the big east in those days helped enormously with ratings. The result was his teams were often over seeded. That 2010 team had 10 losses going into the tournament. That’s a lot for a 3 seed. The 2015 team didn’t deserve a 4 seed - no way it was among the top 16 teams in the country. There’s still no excuse to lose the games we did in the NCAAs, however. All those humiliations still sting - and we never, ever got the redemption tour that UVA may be in the midst of right now. Every time we reappeared, we got embarrassed in front of the country yet again.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 27, 2019 12:42:41 GMT -5
How were those teams better prepared? To me, those losses had much more to do with the leadership, or lack thereof, on those Hoya teams than any game planning. Do people think III said, "The game plan is to panic and play no D?"
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Post by AltoSaxa on Mar 27, 2019 12:54:47 GMT -5
No the game plan was to have your 7 footer at the top of the key swiping at opposing guards, swinging the ball around the three point line until the shot clock was under 10 with an ensuing rushed shot sprinkled in with a forced pass into a clogged lane for a back-door cutter that was well-defended.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Mar 27, 2019 13:42:09 GMT -5
Yeah, it is devastating news to me that our players were left to their own devices to figure out how to defend an opponent the night before an NCAA game. Yes, 2 years rubbing shoulders with coaches as a commentator is time to figure things out. His time as coach in his last couple of years was also an ample opportunity to figure things out. It's not like he didn't have access to other coaches in the coaching fraternity, mentors, etc. during this time. I give 3 his due for regular season success and for running a clean program, but some of the responses here are ridiculous. The coaching change was overdue. I hoped he would change. I'm glad we did change. Good luck to him. Go Hoyas.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 27, 2019 13:55:42 GMT -5
No the game plan was to have your 7 footer at the top of the key swiping at opposing guards, swinging the ball around the three point line until the shot clock was under 10 with an ensuing rushed shot sprinkled in with a forced pass into a clogged lane for a back-door cutter that was well-defended. Oh, I see. That's why Georgetown gave up 97 points to Ohio.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 27, 2019 14:01:56 GMT -5
Yeah, it is devastating news to me that our players were left to their own devices to figure out how to defend an opponent the night before an NCAA game. Yes, 2 years rubbing shoulders with coaches as a commentator is time to figure things out. His time as coach in his last couple of years was also an ample opportunity to figure things out. It's not like he didn't have access to other coaches in the coaching fraternity, mentors, etc. during this time. I give 3 his due for regular season success and for running a clean program, but some of the responses here are ridiculous. The coaching change was overdue. I hoped he would change. I'm glad we did change. Good luck to him. Go Hoyas. Regardless of whether the coaching change was overdue, even as bad as those last few years were, it certainly does not disqualify him from being hired again. Very few coaches have had the success he had from 2004-2013, even if you factor in the NCAA losses. I mean, look at the coaching market. How many of the other coaches discussed have been to the NCAA tournament as many times as JT3 did? Of course, hiring JT3 is risky to some extent - if JT3 hasn't figured out what went wrong in the last 4 years of the program, he will likely fail again. But that's true of nearly any coach who has been fired and gets hired to another gig. If I were a school struggling, I might take a risk on him, because the upside is high - if it works. People don't like to hear it, and I am sure I'll be ripped for saying it, but luck oftentimes has a role in these situations too. Playing Davidson in North Carolina with Steph Curry in Round 2? That's pretty bad luck. Ohio shooting 56.5% from three point range, after shooting 36.5% all year? That's pretty bad luck too. I am not making excuses. We should have won those games, and they are a negative mark against JT3. I just find this amusing because many of the same folks who place significant blame on JT3 for losses back then (on the basis that the team wasn't ready) now completely excuse Ewing when we lose games, even though he himself said in many post game conferences the team wasn't ready. Instead, people blame the players for not being tough enough or having a high enough motor.
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