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Post by wisconsinhoya on Mar 14, 2019 23:03:14 GMT -5
we are going to destroy some team in the 1st round of the NIT. 1). This team making the NIT is far from a lock. 2). Predicting success in the NIT is always tricky. This team showed no level of urgency towards the end of the season with an embarrassing loss to DePaul and then getting hammered tonight in a game that was must-win. If this team doesn't play hard nor intelligent with their NCAA tournament hopes on life support, what makes anyone believe that this team would put forth any competitive effort in the NIT? 3). What a sad way for Jesse's career to end. He gets anything but a ringing endorsement from his coach at the mid week conference call and then in his last Big East game ever he gets 8 points with 3 fouls and spends the end of the game on the bench.... 4). Hopefully Josh LeBlanc is okay. Would hate to think something serious happened to him that could impact his summer, or worse, his sophomore season.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 14, 2019 23:03:25 GMT -5
The grace period is over now as far as I’m concerned. Next year Ewing and this team have expectations. It’s going to be a huge year to determine where we are going. Good programs don’t go 5 years without winning a conference tournament game. I think we still need to establish that we are a good basketball program. We once were. I can’t make a cogent argument that we are right now, but I do have very high expectations for next season.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 14, 2019 23:05:09 GMT -5
Obviously not pleased with today as a whole, but im glad we showed a pulse in the second half and cut it to 16. Much better than 28+ Not only that, it was potentially a game with 8 minutes left, which took me totally by surprise. A bad foul, a missed dunk, and that chance was over, but it still showed heart.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 14, 2019 23:05:57 GMT -5
Not going to repeat my Depaul post from last week because I could but I won't. This up and down season is mercifully coming to an end.
The warts that this team showed throughout the course of the year showed up en masse tonight at the worst possible time. Energy and effort have been far from constant and unfortunately, if you want to beat an NCAA caliber team, you can't take an entire half off. You can get on the coaching staff for not being able to properly motivate. You can get on the players for not wanting it enough. It's a combination of both. I do think there's a lot to be said re: addition by subtraction. There are certain guys who won't be with the program next year that didn't have the fire to compete for 40 every night. There are people on here who don't buy into body language. I am not one of them. The bad body language permeates throughout a team; guys can tell you don't want to be there or that your head's not into it and it impacts them. More than anything, I hope guys like Omer and the frosh come in with some fire next year because I don't want to go through another season again wondering if the team is going to care about showing up.
Those shortcomings don't stop at the players. The limitations that this staff has exhibited all season showed up again tonight. Plan A (and a horrible Plan A at that) didn't go well. Now what? It took 29 minutes for us to face guard Powell. We were +9 (not even playing that well) in the 2nd half just by forcing everyone else but Powell to beat us. How was that not the plan from the get-go? We were completely unprepared for Seton Hall's press, which came fast and furious out of the gate instead of our predictable "when we fall behind by 15 we'll start trying to press out of a timeout" schtick. If anything, trying to speed Seton Hall up when they were shooting so well was probably the worst thing we could have done. Coaching staff was wildly outcoached tonight. There had better be some significant growth in Year 3, because there are just too many instances where I don't believe the staff puts the team in the best position to win. That has to change.
I am trying my best not to single people out tonight. But what Trey did tonight was nothing short of selfish. The "energy lineup" (and it's sad that we have to have an "energy lineup" because it implies we have a lineup that doesn't play with it) was fighting like hell to get us within contact in the 2nd half. And this kid is just jacking up shot after shot without a care in the world. In the few instances he got into so much trouble with his move that he couldn't get a shot off, it was a turnover. Without James' late flurry in garbage time, Trey would have led the team in FG attempts tonight. There is no scenario in which we can win a game if that's the case. None. Part of the blame goes to the PGs for even giving him the ball. Part of it goes to Ewing for leaving him as long as he did (I get Jessie was invisible for virtually the entire game minus a few offensive possessions and Josh was hurt). But my god, there has to be some sort of consequence for selfish play at some point. There was for James. There hasn't been all year for Trey.
Again... with the stakes as high as they were and with the opportunity that was emerging right in front of them, it is mind-boggling to understand that was the best we could get from this team. You go down like Creighton did earlier today, at least you can live with it and tip your cap to a team that just played better in key moments. I can't live with this game tonight just like I couldn't live with the game last Wed. That was unacceptable then, it was unacceptable tonight, and it should be unacceptable going forward.
I honestly don't think there's much to be gained experience wise from an NIT run. Team looks exhausted physically and mentally. Time to focus on salvaging next year's recruiting class.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 14, 2019 23:07:22 GMT -5
we are going to destroy some team in the 1st round of the NIT. And get killed by Furman in the 2nd round. Wayyyyy more likely we'd stun somebody good like Furman, and then lose to a middle-of-the-road, barely made it team like ourselves, and let some guy score his season-high in the process.
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Post by wisconsinhoya on Mar 14, 2019 23:07:28 GMT -5
The grace period is over now as far as I’m concerned. Next year Ewing and this team have expectations. It’s going to be a huge year to determine where we are going. Good programs don’t go 5 years without winning a conference tournament game. Or going 5 consecutive years without earning a NCAA tournament bid....
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 14, 2019 23:14:19 GMT -5
Not going to repeat my Depaul post from last week because I could but I won't. This up and down season is mercifully coming to an end. The warts that this team showed throughout the course of the year showed up en masse tonight at the worst possible time. Energy and effort have been far from constant and unfortunately, if you want to beat an NCAA caliber team, you can't take an entire half off. You can get on the coaching staff for not being able to properly motivate. You can get on the players for not wanting it enough. It's a combination of both. I do think there's a lot to be said re: addition by subtraction. There are certain guys who won't be with the program next year that didn't have the fire to compete for 40 every night. There are people on here who don't buy into body language. I am not one of them. The bad body language permeates throughout a team; guys can tell you don't want to be there or that your head's not into it and it impacts them. More than anything, I hope guys like Omer and the frosh come in with some fire next year because I don't want to go through another season again wondering if the team is going to care about showing up. Those shortcomings don't stop at the players. The limitations that this staff has exhibited all season showed up again tonight. Plan A (and a horrible Plan A at that) didn't go well. Now what? It took 29 minutes for us to face guard Powell. We were +9 (not even playing that well) in the 2nd half just by forcing everyone else but Powell to beat us. How was that not the plan from the get-go? We were completely unprepared for Seton Hall's press, which came fast and furious out of the gate instead of our predictable "when we fall behind by 15 we'll start trying to press out of a timeout" schtick. If anything, trying to speed Seton Hall up when they were shooting so well was probably the worst thing we could have done. Coaching staff was wildly outcoached tonight. There had better be some significant growth in Year 3, because there are just too many instances where I don't believe the staff puts the team in the best position to win. That has to change. I am trying my best not to single people out tonight. But what Trey did tonight was nothing short of selfish. The "energy lineup" (and it's sad that we have to have an "energy lineup" because it implies we have a lineup that doesn't play with it) was fighting like hell to get us within contact in the 2nd half. And this kid is just jacking up shot after shot without a care in the world. In the few instances he got into so much trouble with his move that he couldn't get a shot off, it was a turnover. Without James' late flurry in garbage time, Trey would have led the team in FG attempts tonight. There is no scenario in which we can win a game if that's the case. None. Part of the blame goes to the PGs for even giving him the ball. Part of it goes to Ewing for leaving him as long as he did (I get Jessie was invisible for virtually the entire game minus a few offensive possessions and Josh was hurt). But my god, there has to be some sort of consequence for selfish play at some point. There was for James. There hasn't been all year for Trey. Again... with the stakes as high as they were and with the opportunity that was emerging right in front of them, it is mind-boggling to understand that was the best we could get from this team. You go down like Creighton did earlier today, at least you can live with it and tip your cap to a team that just played better in key moments. I can't live with this game tonight just like I couldn't live with the game last Wed. That was unacceptable then, it was unacceptable tonight, and it should be unacceptable going forward. I honestly don't think there's much to be gained experience wise from an NIT run. Team looks exhausted physically and mentally. Time to focus on salvaging next year's recruiting class. Part of the problem is that Mourning actually works for position MUCH harder than a lot of the guys on this team. His guards reward him for it, and then it all generally goes very wrong. If he would just fake a shot and pass back out to somebody open without turning it over, he could be a much more valuable player. If Govan worked as much to get in good position, he'd score 30 a game. It's frustrating when the guy posting or moving on a pick and roll, or sliding in from the baseline so nicely is also a really bad finisher and a quite unwilling passer.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 14, 2019 23:19:16 GMT -5
Not going to repeat my Depaul post from last week because I could but I won't. This up and down season is mercifully coming to an end. The warts that this team showed throughout the course of the year showed up en masse tonight at the worst possible time. Energy and effort have been far from constant and unfortunately, if you want to beat an NCAA caliber team, you can't take an entire half off. You can get on the coaching staff for not being able to properly motivate. You can get on the players for not wanting it enough. It's a combination of both. I do think there's a lot to be said re: addition by subtraction. There are certain guys who won't be with the program next year that didn't have the fire to compete for 40 every night. There are people on here who don't buy into body language. I am not one of them. The bad body language permeates throughout a team; guys can tell you don't want to be there or that your head's not into it and it impacts them. More than anything, I hope guys like Omer and the frosh come in with some fire next year because I don't want to go through another season again wondering if the team is going to care about showing up. Those shortcomings don't stop at the players. The limitations that this staff has exhibited all season showed up again tonight. Plan A (and a horrible Plan A at that) didn't go well. Now what? It took 29 minutes for us to face guard Powell. We were +9 (not even playing that well) in the 2nd half just by forcing everyone else but Powell to beat us. How was that not the plan from the get-go? We were completely unprepared for Seton Hall's press, which came fast and furious out of the gate instead of our predictable "when we fall behind by 15 we'll start trying to press out of a timeout" schtick. If anything, trying to speed Seton Hall up when they were shooting so well was probably the worst thing we could have done. Coaching staff was wildly outcoached tonight. There had better be some significant growth in Year 3, because there are just too many instances where I don't believe the staff puts the team in the best position to win. That has to change. I am trying my best not to single people out tonight. But what Trey did tonight was nothing short of selfish. The "energy lineup" (and it's sad that we have to have an "energy lineup" because it implies we have a lineup that doesn't play with it) was fighting like hell to get us within contact in the 2nd half. And this kid is just jacking up shot after shot without a care in the world. In the few instances he got into so much trouble with his move that he couldn't get a shot off, it was a turnover. Without James' late flurry in garbage time, Trey would have led the team in FG attempts tonight. There is no scenario in which we can win a game if that's the case. None. Part of the blame goes to the PGs for even giving him the ball. Part of it goes to Ewing for leaving him as long as he did (I get Jessie was invisible for virtually the entire game minus a few offensive possessions and Josh was hurt). But my god, there has to be some sort of consequence for selfish play at some point. There was for James. There hasn't been all year for Trey. Again... with the stakes as high as they were and with the opportunity that was emerging right in front of them, it is mind-boggling to understand that was the best we could get from this team. You go down like Creighton did earlier today, at least you can live with it and tip your cap to a team that just played better in key moments. I can't live with this game tonight just like I couldn't live with the game last Wed. That was unacceptable then, it was unacceptable tonight, and it should be unacceptable going forward. I honestly don't think there's much to be gained experience wise from an NIT run. Team looks exhausted physically and mentally. Time to focus on salvaging next year's recruiting class. Part of the problem is that Mourning actually works for position MUCH harder than a lot of the guys on this team. His guards reward him for it, and then it all generally goes very wrong. If he would just fake a shot and pass back out to somebody open without turning it over, he could be a much more valuable player. If Govan worked as much to get in good position, he'd score 30 a game. It's frustrating when the guy posting or moving on a pick and roll, or sliding in from the baseline so nicely is also a really bad finisher and a quite unwilling passer. When he's inside of 5 feet, sure. When he's not, the other team is literally baiting him to shoot and he falls for it every time. At some point Patrick needed to let him know that being open doesn't necessarily mean it's a good shot. Clearly, it never happened this year because the perimeter jacks just kept coming. Completely agree about Jessie, though. People will complain he didn't get enough early touches, but he didn't work at all to establish any advantageous position where a guard could get him the ball. He did it for about 4 minutes in the second half and then went back to being asleep. Half-hearted hedge here, no box out there. Ewing tried like hell both privately and publicly to light a fire under him. He just didn't have what it takes.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 14, 2019 23:22:00 GMT -5
Deja vu re: DePaul. But heck, we held SHU to 20 points in the 2nd half. I was really thinking that we would beat them tonight. What an enormous let down.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 14, 2019 23:29:05 GMT -5
You think Jessie knows he has literally zero chance of playing in the NBA? If you even had a hint that your future was closing in front of you, wouldn’t you spend every second you had killing yourself to prove everyone wrong?
Just very, very weird to me. Bet we find out he had enormous chemistry issues with Pat, the frosh or all of the above. Regression to this degree just doesn’t happen physically. Kid has to shut down emotionally.
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Post by jamaicahoya on Mar 14, 2019 23:30:15 GMT -5
I am as disappointed as anyone else, but I remember that at the start of the season the experts--and many on this board didn't disagree ferociously--predicted we would finish in the basement of the conference. We more than overshot that placement, which in hindsight would make this a successful season. However, our surprising success only made us greedy for more, which I suppose is understandable. Certainly, I was among those who felt, as early as the Ilinois game,that we could do some damage in the BE and make the NCAAs. The bottom line is that anyone who can't see the light at the end of the tunnel, anyone who would suggest that Ewing's tenure is on a time clock because of this year's result are being unreasonable myoptic. Peace. Out.
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 14, 2019 23:33:43 GMT -5
Just back from game and sad
Just sad
Jessie is a much better player than he showed tonight - but he is as soft as butter. He NEVER demanded the ball....flabbergasted.
Think we took step forward this year. I hope saying keeps improving the schedule....I know whybhe did what he did - but enough
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 14, 2019 23:35:21 GMT -5
Deja vu re: DePaul. But heck, we held SHU to 20 points in the 2nd half. I was really thinking that we would beat them tonight. What an enormous let down. Seton Hall held SHU to 20 points. They’ checked out in the second half, while their opponents checked out in the first half .
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Post by kbones17 on Mar 14, 2019 23:38:29 GMT -5
Disastrous performance and a huge let down after such a positive week. Akinjo was the only one who came to play today. Obviously losing Josh was a huge blow, but good teams can adjust. First half was embarrassing.
I thought PE made a number of mistakes tonight. Obviously Mourning was a disaster in every sense, but PE had him out there way too much. I would have rather seen more Kaleb and more Jamorko. Also, after we had a run to get the lead back to 14 around the 8 min mark of the second half and we were visibly gassed PE needed to take a TO to try consolidate the gains and compose ourselves to try to get it under 10. Instead we flailed around for a few possessions and allowed them to build it back up to around 20 points. Game over.
Despite the failure tonight I am hopeful for next season. If PE can secure a solid wing and bigger guard who can play some defense than I think we have a lot of upside moving into next season.
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Post by dense on Mar 14, 2019 23:41:42 GMT -5
I think this Hi-lighted more than any other game the need to have a shot blocking big is huge. The amount of lay-ups someone like Yurt7 or Wahab would have stopped tonight would have been huge. Morning and Jessie just aren't shot blockers. Jessie didn't hustle at all tonight. Can already see the amount of dunks Wahab will get from Mac and James peneration and I am smiling. Ewing has to be quicker with adjustments or leave that up to Orr.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 15, 2019 0:21:06 GMT -5
Disastrous performance and a huge let down after such a positive week. Akinjo was the only one who came to play today. Obviously losing Josh was a huge blow, but good teams can adjust. First half was embarrassing. I thought PE made a number of mistakes tonight. Obviously Mourning was a disaster in every sense, but PE had him out there way too much. I would have rather seen more Kaleb and more Jamorko. Also, after we had a run to get the lead back to 14 around the 8 min mark of the second half and we were visibly gassed PE needed to take a TO to try consolidate the gains and compose ourselves to try to get it under 10. Instead we flailed around for a few possessions and allowed them to build it back up to around 20 points. Game over. Despite the failure tonight I am hopeful for next season. If PE can secure a solid wing and bigger guard who can play some defense than I think we have a lot of upside moving into next season. I thought Mac had a tough night, but I never got the feeling he didn't come to play (and haven't all year). He made some key buckets in the lane despite his woes from deep (until that foul on the three point shot that I'd like to see again, after seeing that Jagan one a second time and realizing what a crap call it was). A wing defender, a situational big guard, yep, and a reliable three point shooter as well. Ewing is laying the foundation pretty well, in my view. I think the team next year will be much more "solid". Once you have a base like that, you try to get that one star that can put you over the top.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 15, 2019 0:21:27 GMT -5
Look at the bright side. We have 4 Centers coming in next year. All 4 will be a defensive upgrade. And I have not watched any of them play.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 15, 2019 6:17:43 GMT -5
We had it down to 14 with the chance to bring it down to 11 or 12 points. But then McClung fouled on the 3pt shot and it went back up to 17. I think that was the critical play in the game considering how big the gap was. That 5 point swing was basically the end of our comeback.
And then Trey Mourning took over the game and that was that.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 15, 2019 6:24:13 GMT -5
So we played the 2 worst games (by a wide margin) by efficiency standards, sandwiched around the Marquette game. Really disappointing to lay such eggs at the most important time of the season. And it was more driven by our worst offensive games of the year, which to me speaks to teams game planning for us and us not adjusting. www.barttorvik.com/team.php?team=GeorgetownI know efficiency stats aren't the end all be all, but to those who support the narrative that this year wasn't true progress and we benefited from a down year in the conference, we are actually poised to have our worst finish by a lot in this measure since the Esh era. Not even JTIII's final teams or last year's initial PE team had numbers this bad: 2019 - 90 2018 - 70 2017- 69 2016- 56 2015 - 24 (NCAA Tournament) 2014 - 49 2013 - 12 (NCAA Tournament) 2012 - 13 (NCAA Tournament) 2011 - 36 (NCAA Tournament) 2010 - 16 (NCAA Tournament) 2009 - 28 (NCAA Tournament) 2008 - 9 (NCAA Tournament) www.barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=GeorgetownMy eyes showed we were a better team than last year, and I am optimistic for our rising Sophomores coupled with Yurt to help this team turn a corner, but I also think the coaching staff needs to show some progress too. PE had some good moments this year, but there were games were I felt like a slightly more experienced coach would have had a few tricks up his sleeve to get the most out of this talented but flawed group.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 15, 2019 6:24:26 GMT -5
We had it down to 14 with the chance to bring it down to 11 or 12 points. But then McClung fouled on the 3pt shot and it went back up to 17. I think that was the critical play in the game considering how big the gap was. That 5 point swing was basically the end of our comeback. And then Trey Mourning took over the game and that was that. With a player like Powell, and our low-post defense or lack there of, we were not winning from almost 30 points down. No one play was going to fix it.
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