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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 17:50:04 GMT -5
That's not true though. Cuse made it to the Final Four as a 10 seed a couple years back. UNCG's 4 quad 1-2 wins are against Furman twice and East Tennessee St twice. Furman's are Nova (good) UNCG, East Tennessee St. and Loyola meh (135 NET). They are also the only team in this group with a quad 4 loss (Samford 200 Net) and their non-conference SOS was 262. Their resumes are mostly built on beating each other. Wofford dominated that league, went 19-0, and lost by double digits to every one of their Quad 1 opponents who didn't play in their conference. UNC, Miss St, Oklahoma, and Kansas by 25. Wofford beat UNCG by 30 twice. Aside from Fordham beating Nova when the top teams in that conference played against good HM schools they lost. Imo at some point you have to win some games. I think the last sentence is really what this is about and that's fine if you feel that way. A lot of people feel that way. But when you zoom in instead of zooming out it's seems like St Johns (5 wins vs tourney teams) has the stronger resume based on performance. What do youthink St. John's record would have been in the Southern Conference? What do you think Furman's record would have been in the Big East? What is the reasonable argument for ST John's getting in over NC State? I have no idea, but neither do you, right? I thought we're comparing resumes... I haven't thought about it, but isn't that's a seperate discussion from what we're having? If I had to guess it's because the ACC was great up top but the 5 or 6 teams at the bottom were worse than Depaul. If most of their 9 wins came against the bad half that could be a reason.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 19, 2019 18:22:37 GMT -5
What do youthink St. John's record would have been in the Southern Conference? What do you think Furman's record would have been in the Big East? What is the reasonable argument for ST John's getting in over NC State? I have no idea, but neither do you, right? I thought we're comparing resumes... I haven't thought about it, but isn't that's a seperate discussion from what we're having? If I had to guess it's because the ACC was great up top but the 5 or 6 teams at the bottom were worse than Depaul. If most of their 9 wins came against the bad half that could be a reason. Just wondering how you view mid majors overall. That is all. do you think Belmont should be in?
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 19, 2019 18:25:04 GMT -5
Yeah, definitely. Would we really have a complaint if we didn’t get in at 18–15? It doesn’t seem like there is a lot of criticism that Nc St, Indiana, Xavier and Texas didn’t get in. You gotta win more games. NC State played 8 games of teams ranked 25-125 and went 8-0 St. John's went 10-9 in that same range. The moral of the story is NC State has to get out of the ACC I guess.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 19, 2019 18:43:07 GMT -5
Yeah, definitely. Would we really have a complaint if we didn’t get in at 18–15? It doesn’t seem like there is a lot of criticism that Nc St, Indiana, Xavier and Texas didn’t get in. You gotta win more games. NC State played 8 games of teams ranked 25-125 and went 8-0 St. John's went 10-9 in that same range. The moral of the story is NC State has to get out of the ACC I guess. Well that's a pretty specific range. Let's look at the full picture. NC StateNET 1-25: 1-9 NET 25-125: 8-0 NET 125-200: 4-2 NET 200-352: 9-0 St. John'sNET 1-25: 0-1 NET 25-125: 12-11 NET 125-200: 2-0 NET 200-352: 7-0
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 19, 2019 19:19:24 GMT -5
Placing this here since this is where the St. John’s discussion has moved. Very sad news for Chris Mullin. RIP Roddy. nyp.st/2FnYGTt
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 19:54:08 GMT -5
I have no idea, but neither do you, right? I thought we're comparing resumes... I haven't thought about it, but isn't that's a seperate discussion from what we're having? If I had to guess it's because the ACC was great up top but the 5 or 6 teams at the bottom were worse than Depaul. If most of their 9 wins came against the bad half that could be a reason. Just wondering how you view mid majors overall. That is all. do you think Belmont should be in? I haven't looked at them tbh. My opinion is just that the best teams should get in. HM/MM those terms don't really mean much to me. Buffalo and Nevada are MM. Cal is a HM, I guess. My opinion on them is the same as HM's. It comes down to who you have and how you perform
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 19, 2019 20:24:33 GMT -5
Just wondering how you view mid majors overall. That is all. do you think Belmont should be in? I haven't looked at them tbh. My opinion is just that the best teams should get in. HM/MM those terms don't really mean much to me. Buffalo and Nevada are MM. Cal is a HM, I guess. My opinion on them is the same as HM's. It comes down to who you have and how you perform I agree and wish the committee would as well. St John's is nowhere near one of the best however many non automatic qualifiers there are. Luckily for them and probably on purpose got placed with another not deserving but more deserving team so one of them has to win
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 21:07:48 GMT -5
I haven't looked at them tbh. My opinion is just that the best teams should get in. HM/MM those terms don't really mean much to me. Buffalo and Nevada are MM. Cal is a HM, I guess. My opinion on them is the same as HM's. It comes down to who you have and how you perform I agree and wish the committee would as well. St John's is nowhere near one of the best however many non automatic qualifiers there are. Luckily for them and probably on purpose got placed with another not deserving but more deserving team so one of them has to win Yeah Idk about that... I see their resume as being superior to the teams you've mentioned. They had the best combination of wins of the teams you've argued should be in over them. Their worst loss is to the #102 team in NET.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 19, 2019 22:21:20 GMT -5
Where does Belmont find these guys?
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 19, 2019 22:39:19 GMT -5
Look at that another mid wins a play in game. I imagine at some point the will just stop letting them play them.
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Post by hoyalaw33 on Mar 20, 2019 7:10:23 GMT -5
I think the thing people are overlooking with someone like NC St is that they beat 4(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) teams with a winning record all year. That is a heinous statistic and shows that NC St is not a good basketball team regardless of certain metrics. If you can explain that away then maybe I'll listen but their resume sucked when you pulled back the curtain and actually took a look at it.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 20, 2019 9:04:41 GMT -5
I agree and wish the committee would as well. St John's is nowhere near one of the best however many non automatic qualifiers there are. Luckily for them and probably on purpose got placed with another not deserving but more deserving team so one of them has to win Yeah Idk about that... I see their resume as being superior to the teams you've mentioned. They had the best combination of wins of the teams you've argued should be in over them. Their worst loss is to the #102 team in NET. Yeah, I'm still not sure why people are down on SJU making it. I suppose it's because they didnt meet expectations. But, as I said before, if SJU is the type of profile that doesnt make the tourney, then we would be worried going forward. Again, that's sort of how we are going to schedule. I dont see us playing home and homes with Duke, Kansas and Gonzaga in the near future. And, even if we go to tourneys, there is no guarantee we win and play the better teams. The MSG tourney is a good one for us. Kudos to Pat for that.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 20, 2019 9:31:11 GMT -5
As someone who has hated St Johns for the last few years I think my hatred has to do more with how the team seems to disrespect the game, i.e. they seem to be composed of guys who care only about themselves and their numbers. They are the bizarro Villanova. Very rarely on offensive possessions does the ball touch more than 2-3 hands. When they fall behind inevitably they start jacking up 3's. But more importantly, they totally waste the talent they have on that team. I place most of the blame on Mullin. Like I keep pointing out, last year they beat Nova and Duke back to back and then tried to coast through the BE schedule.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 20, 2019 11:12:04 GMT -5
Fairleigh Ridiculous finally won an NCAA game. Good for them. We used them as the patsy on our schedule even before the JTII era.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 20, 2019 17:05:54 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 20, 2019 20:41:02 GMT -5
Placing this here since this is where the St. John’s discussion has moved. Very sad news for Chris Mullin. RIP Roddy. nyp.st/2FnYGTtWow, this is sad. I don't think St. John's belongs, but I'm pulling for them more than ever now. Not looking good, though (currently down 24-10). As for NC State, they had the worst OOC schedule in the country this year. A team that schedules that badly has to make up for it by outperforming in conference, and they didn't do it. Nertz to them, as well.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2019 5:44:54 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Mar 21, 2019 6:08:12 GMT -5
I will say our offense looks a lot like SJU’s except for the set-up plays to Govan and the fact that none of the of their starters is gun-shy like Jagan.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 21, 2019 12:08:22 GMT -5
Watching Yale and LSU. Tremont Waters looks pretty darn good. Broadcast mentioned how he reopened his recruitment after JTIII firing.
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 21, 2019 12:13:55 GMT -5
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