GUJook97
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,445
|
Post by GUJook97 on Jan 2, 2019 9:24:37 GMT -5
SJU murdered butler... akinjo isnt on ponds level yet offensively but he can make howard work and i like our chance after the win vs HU. I think you mean Marquette? I think Marquette and SJU are both tough matchups for us, but I agree with many here that Butler is a good matchup. This is game we can win and team we can sweep this year. But, who knows? Plus, as much as Hinkle is a great home environment, lets face it, Im not sure students and fans are super psyched for the January 2nd matchup against a team that's won 10 BE games the last 2 years.
|
|
calhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,361
|
Post by calhoya on Jan 2, 2019 10:21:16 GMT -5
Games at Illinois and Syracuse should help the younger players handle a crowded arena, particularly after playing so many home games in an empty cavern.
|
|
|
Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 2, 2019 10:25:53 GMT -5
SJU murdered butler... akinjo isnt on ponds level yet offensively but he can make howard work and i like our chance after the win vs HU. I think you mean Marquette? I think Marquette and SJU are both tough matchups for us, but I agree with many here that Butler is a good matchup. This is game we can win and team we can sweep this year. But, who knows? Plus, as much as Hinkle is a great home environment, lets face it, Im not sure students and fans are super psyched for the January 2nd matchup against a team that's won 10 BE games the last 2 years. Jook, the hoyas are still a big pull in Indy. For whatever reason, fans at Butler think of us through our prism of our prior glory and turn out regardless of our recent success or lack thereof. I've gone to 2 of the last 3 there and I think for whatever reason, we play well in Hinkle. I also am not buying Jorgensen as a second scorer for them. Keep McDermott at bay and make sure Baldwin doesn't go nuts and we should be good.
|
|
|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 2, 2019 10:30:45 GMT -5
I think you mean Marquette? I think Marquette and SJU are both tough matchups for us, but I agree with many here that Butler is a good matchup. This is game we can win and team we can sweep this year. But, who knows? Plus, as much as Hinkle is a great home environment, lets face it, Im not sure students and fans are super psyched for the January 2nd matchup against a team that's won 10 BE games the last 2 years. Jook, the hoyas are still a big pull in Indy. For whatever reason, fans at Butler think of us through our prism of our prior glory and turn out regardless of our recent success or lack thereof. I've gone to 2 of the last 3 there and I think for whatever reason, we play well in Hinkle. I also am not buying Jorgensen as a second scorer for them. Keep McDermott at bay and make sure Baldwin doesn't go nuts and we should be good. I'm not sure it's that we draw as much as their average attendance in 2017 was over 8,300 and in 2018 their average was 8,644 - and Hinkle's capacity is 9,100. Butler draws really well at home against everybody. That's a great region for basketball and fan support.
|
|
GUJook97
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,445
|
Post by GUJook97 on Jan 2, 2019 10:40:58 GMT -5
Yeah, Im sure they will draw, but I dont think we are going to be facing a worked up, rabid student crowd. Maybe Im wrong. Mostly, I just dont think Butler is very good. Doesnt mean we will win. I agree with others - I just have no idea what to expect with this team. Even beating up on Howard was very surprising to me.
|
|
vv83
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,329
|
Post by vv83 on Jan 2, 2019 10:58:21 GMT -5
The key player for Butler this year could be Tucker. He has played well in limited minutes in the 3 or 4 games he has appeared in. He has shot well from 3 and rebounded very well. If/when he starts to give them more minutes, he could be the second offensive threat they need to support Baldwin. None of their other guys can really put much pressure on a defense. McDermott and Brunk need to be set up by others. Thompson can defend and pass, but is not able to do much damage scoring the ball himself.
Jorgenson is kind of like a poor man's McClung - he can get up shots, and he can score a bit when he gets hot. But he is not nearly as athletic, strong, or skilled as Mac. They are counting on him as their second offensive creator right now, and that plan is not going to work on a consistent basis. If Tucker can become a second player who can pressure the defense with the ball in his hands, it will make Butler a much tougher team to defend. But so far, most of tucker's damage is coming off 3s and the offensive boards, so he has not yet shown that he can break down a defense and initiate offense himself.
|
|
|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 2, 2019 11:30:33 GMT -5
Quick scouting report on Butler using some advanced stats. A few things pop out (some of which have been mentioned before by others):
(1) Butler is extremely slow tempo - 318 out of 353, whereas we are 14.
(2) Butler is slow but efficient. They have the 29th best offense nationally. The best offense we've otherwise played is SMU (30), Syracuse (57), and Liberty (60). We lost 2 of those games.
(3) Butler shoots threes well (37%, ranked 70th), and shoots a lot of them (63rd most threes by point distribution).
(4) Butler protects the ball extremely well (30th ranked) on offense, and forces a fair amount of turnovers (70th overall).
(5) Butler doesn't rebound particularly well on either end, and they do not get to the line much at all (293th ranked in FTA/FGA), but when they do, they shoot free throws very well. So, we don't want to be fouling them much.
(6) Butler doesn't block much or cause many steals.
(7) Butler's defense is 60th overall, and around average in defending against threes and twos.
|
|
|
Post by vamosalaplaya on Jan 2, 2019 11:48:16 GMT -5
Agreed on the potential impact of Tucker. Tucker was a Top 40 player who started at Duke and transferred after only one semester - what he was thinking going to Duke thinking he was going to play immediately was anyone's guess - and became eligible two weeks ago. His minutes have gone up each of the four games he has been eligible, he is averaging 8 points in averaging only 13 minutes of play. He has size and can play all over the court, and he is very aggressive offensively. He hasn't played more than half a game yet and it's not clear how well he fits into the rotation in terms of playing defense and fitting into their sets offensively - aka team chemistry. but his contributions to date are not reflective of where he might fit as the season goes on.
|
|
jwp91
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,037
|
Post by jwp91 on Jan 2, 2019 12:23:37 GMT -5
My son and I will be there. Hoping the Hoyas come to play and give us a good show.
|
|
hoyalaw33
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 134
|
Post by hoyalaw33 on Jan 2, 2019 12:53:27 GMT -5
I think a key to the game here is utilizing our size advantage. Throw Pickett, Johnson, and Malinowski on Baldwin at times to affect his shot with their length. I think if we shoot well we win (double digit 3s).
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 14,961
|
Post by EtomicB on Jan 2, 2019 13:23:08 GMT -5
I like Gtown in this game, Butler is better than some are giving them credit for but I think Gtown matches up well with them...
The only match-ups in the league I don't like are Creighton & St. John's maybe PC if Reeves gets healthy.. I don't like these match-ups because they play uptempo ball better than Gtown does right now...
|
|
|
Post by HometownHoya on Jan 2, 2019 13:25:18 GMT -5
Keep the ball moving, both in attacking the basket from the full court and around the court in the half court. We can easily out run them but if we need to play a half court game, we need to pass like we did against Howard then get the ball inside to our Frontcourt.
|
|
|
Post by petabdoubleg on Jan 2, 2019 16:15:09 GMT -5
Quick scouting report on Butler using some advanced stats. A few things pop out (some of which have been mentioned before by others): (1) Butler is extremely slow tempo - 318 out of 353, whereas we are 14. (2) Butler is slow but efficient. They have the 29th best offense nationally. The best offense we've otherwise played is SMU (30), Syracuse (57), and Liberty (60). We lost 2 of those games. (3) Butler shoots threes well (37%, ranked 70th), and shoots a lot of them (63rd most threes by point distribution). (4) Butler protects the ball extremely well (30th ranked) on offense, and forces a fair amount of turnovers (70th overall). (5) Butler doesn't rebound particularly well on either end, and they do not get to the line much at all (293th ranked in FTA/FGA), but when they do, they shoot free throws very well. So, we don't want to be fouling them much. (6) Butler doesn't block much or cause many steals. (7) Butler's defense is 60th overall, and around average in defending against threes and twos. What concerns me the most is #3, as we can't seem to defend even average-below average teams from behind the arc so far this season. On the flip side, I'm encouraged by #5 and hope that Jessie and Josh can attack the O-boards (also interesting that they "force a fair amount of turnovers" but at the same time "don't block or cause many steals")
|
|
mdtd
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,567
|
Post by mdtd on Jan 2, 2019 16:27:55 GMT -5
Whichever team is able to dictate the tempo will be able to win this game. Both teams will have runs. If we play at our pace, Butler will have a hard time of stopping us. If we play at their pace, Butler will score at will. Their three point shooting early on is a key as that will determine who gets that crucial first run. They make those shots, we fall behind. They miss those shots, we get easy transition buckets and jump out to an early lead.
|
|
|
Post by BeantownHoya on Jan 2, 2019 16:42:00 GMT -5
Butler 9 point favs...
|
|
drquigley
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,386
|
Post by drquigley on Jan 2, 2019 16:59:09 GMT -5
Absolutely take the spread
|
|
calhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,361
|
Post by calhoya on Jan 2, 2019 17:01:43 GMT -5
I truly believe that the talent is there for the Hoyas to play with anyone in this conference. As a team the players have yet to completely mesh, but there are many positive signs. Only the team defense and turnover propensity are not noticeably improved from the beginning of the year and I expect these factors will haunt the Hoyas until they can eliminate or reduce the turnovers and start playing more effective defense. In a slower game like is expected tonight, even 10 turnovers can be lethal as the number of possessions are likely to be reduced.
I would feel a lot better about this game in late February than now as I expect the learning process to continue for the young Hoyas and have no idea whether and to what effect McClung can play tonight.
|
|
|
Post by ewingitrust on Jan 2, 2019 17:06:52 GMT -5
Butler has no answer for govan, and we have shooters too. I expect a motivated, intensified Hoyas team. All hands on deck for a "serving notice" win to the rest of the conference that we will be a factor this year. We have more talent than them. Hard fought win coming tonight fellas.
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on Jan 2, 2019 18:03:54 GMT -5
Jorgenson is kind of like a poor man's McClung - he can get up shots, and he can score a bit when he gets hot. But he is not nearly as athletic, strong, or skilled as Mac. They are counting on him as their second offensive creator right now, and that plan is not going to work on a consistent basis. If Tucker can become a second player who can pressure the defense with the ball in his hands, it will make Butler a much tougher team to defend. But so far, most of tucker's damage is coming off 3s and the offensive boards, so he has not yet shown that he can break down a defense and initiate offense himself. Jorgenson is not athletic at all. But he is a heady player. Saw a lot of him when he was playing at GW. I think another GW defector, Kethan Savage was a more dangerous player.
|
|
hoyas315
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,102
|
Post by hoyas315 on Jan 2, 2019 18:29:27 GMT -5
|
|