SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 13, 2018 7:52:26 GMT -5
Antwan’s AAU coach: Thankful to Georgetown for giving Antwan an opportunity to fulfill his dream of making it out of the inner city & playing at the highest level of college basketball. His dream does not end here, just has a different ending than planned. Excited about his next chapter! #StayTunedCould he have started this year? Been a key player off the bench? 6th man? Whatever the case may have been, we know he would have gotten serious minutes. Losing him hurts the team. More importantly, it is a major setback for a kid who worked hard to get here. Isn't that really the most important thing? Isn't that what JT always stressed? Preparing kids to grow up, learn to be men, productive members of society and -yes -a few even made it to the Association. Reading the post from his AAU coach is reassuring. Plenty of kids got in a bind at school and had to take a different track. He got in a fight with some other kid... another athlete. Ok, not great. But it's not like he was Eric Devendorf, one of the many stellar hoopsters at Syracuse. Walker's absence hurts the Hoyas team and depth. Losing his opportunity to play at GU is a much bigger loss for him personally. But if he learns from it and moves on to contribute to another team at another school, it would be a big accomplishment. Good to see his AAU coach standing with him, and good luck to the young man.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Oct 13, 2018 11:18:27 GMT -5
Just hate to see this happen. We need to improve and maintain depth.
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Post by richfame on Oct 13, 2018 12:52:43 GMT -5
BYE BYE
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Post by MassHoya on Oct 13, 2018 19:41:20 GMT -5
He is a 19-20 year old kid who made a mistake or mistakes and lost an opportunity. Is there anyone on this board who hasn't screwed up something? Surely not me. Let's hope he remembers the lesson taught here by Pat and takes advantage of the next chance he gets. There is life outside of basketball.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 13, 2018 19:48:59 GMT -5
We don’t know the facts, so hard to voice an opinion. A minor scuffle with another student wouldn’t warrant this outcome.
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Post by saxagael on Oct 14, 2018 12:05:46 GMT -5
We don’t know the facts, so hard to voice an opinion. A minor scuffle with another student wouldn’t warrant this outcome. As has been reported it was multiple altercations with the same person / athlete and at least two were physical altercations. One would beleieve something in there triggered a warning, or two. But also injuring his hand adds to this. No idea what the trouble was about, but it is often tough to move in from a problem when in the same environment (what ever the problem may be). Hopefully this helps Antwan focus by being remove with tpwhat ever was triggering the issue for him. He now has the opportunity to have space, focus, and time to put an eye or two on what is important with school, ball, and a healthy life. It hurts the Hoyas, but for Antwan it could be healthy and a big help to get things right, so to build the skills to not have this happen again. He has a big mulligan and I hope he chooses it use it for the best.
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Post by drquigley on Oct 15, 2018 9:39:34 GMT -5
Just curious, what does "dismissed from the team" mean? I guess he's also forced to leave school (loses scholarship). Middle of first semester so he probably has to wait until January before he can transfer. Does he have to sit out a year if he does and wants to play basketball at his new school? Does GU offer him and counseling help? I have to assume he was being counseled about his behavior before being dismissed. Anyone know how this works?
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Post by saxagael on Oct 15, 2018 10:04:04 GMT -5
Just curious, what does "dismissed from the team" mean? I guess he's also forced to leave school (loses scholarship). Middle of first semester so he probably has to wait until January before he can transfer. Does he have to sit out a year if he does and wants to play basketball at his new school? Does GU offer him and counseling help? I have to assume he was being counseled about his behavior before being dismissed. Anyone know how this works? Usually "dismissed from the team" means the player loses their scholarship, but that may not be until the end of the current semester or year. They are not kicked out of school, as that would be "dismissed from Georgetown", that is immediate expulsion, this level of severity usually makes it more difficult to get into another good program. The player in either case will have to sit out a year, but since this season hasn't started means this is the year Antwan would be sitting out. He could transfer to a JUCO and play next semester (likely), since he is in his 2nd year, but that would be eating a year of eligibility for D1. Since it is middle of the first term nearly everywhere and transferring in would start with a new semester, which is January and not a great time for programs to bring in a player to start playing, he would sit during games this year and just practice with the team, which may be a good option. Last year Sodom stayed and finished out the year at Georgetown academically, but not sure how he did that (scholarship or his own funding). Since he is not dismissed from GU he would likely still have access to counseling options they provide. Hopefully, he could take advantage of this, but away from campus and the student he has a conflict with. It would seem for Antwan's own good he would leave campus and try to find a fit and start school as a transfer starting January with school and practice and then play next season.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 15, 2018 10:18:04 GMT -5
Just curious, what does "dismissed from the team" mean? I guess he's also forced to leave school (loses scholarship). Middle of first semester so he probably has to wait until January before he can transfer. Does he have to sit out a year if he does and wants to play basketball at his new school? Does GU offer him and counseling help? I have to assume he was being counseled about his behavior before being dismissed. Anyone know how this works? The wording is the important part in the Walker announcement. The statements I've seen say he was "dismissed from the team", nothing stating he was dismissed from the school. Typically that means he is still a student and will be allowed to finish the entire school year on scholarship if he chooses to. That rarely happens as most players finish out the semester and then transfer to which ever college or university that chooses to recruit them. Here again is where the wordingis so important. The fact that Georgetown dismissed. him from the program means he can take OV's to other programs as he now seen as a transferring recruit. After transferring, Antwan Walker and other recruits in similar situations will typically be bound to the one calendar year residency rule for transfers meaning he wouldn't be able to play until two full semesters (one year) after he officially starts classes at his new school. He could and probably would appeal the NCAA to gain his eligibility at the start of the 2019-2020 season and more then likely his waiver would be granted pretty easily. Another aspect that I highly doubt will come into play for Walker is since he's a sophomore, he could go and play immediately or the 2nd semester at a JUCO but that would be IMO a major mistake because of obscure NCAA rules for 4/2/4 prospects "bounce back prospects" (recruits who start at NCAA D1 schools, then go to a JUCO and back to NCAA D1 program) that can make it complicated sometimes for prospects to get back to D1 level and time wouldn't be in Walker's favor of he took that route...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 15, 2018 10:32:19 GMT -5
Just curious, what does "dismissed from the team" mean? I guess he's also forced to leave school (loses scholarship). Middle of first semester so he probably has to wait until January before he can transfer. Does he have to sit out a year if he does and wants to play basketball at his new school? Does GU offer him and counseling help? I have to assume he was being counseled about his behavior before being dismissed. Anyone know how this works? Usually "dismissed from the team" means the player loses their scholarship, but that may not be until the end of the current semester or year. They are not kicked out of school, as that would be "dismissed from Georgetown", that is immediate expulsion, this level of severity usually makes it more difficult to get into another good program. The player in either case will have to sit out a year, but since this season hasn't started means this is the year Antwan would be sitting out. He could transfer to a JUCO and play next semester (likely), since he is in his 2nd year, but that would be eating a year of eligibility for D1. Since it is middle of the first term nearly everywhere and transferring in would start with a new semester, which is January and not a great time for programs to bring in a player to start playing, he would sit during games this year and just practice with the team, which may be a good option. Last year Sodom stayed and finished out the year at Georgetown academically, but not sure how he did that (scholarship or his own funding). Since he is not dismissed from GU he would likely still have access to counseling options they provide. Hopefully, he could take advantage of this, but away from campus and the student he has a conflict with. It would seem for Antwan's own good he would leave campus and try to find a fit and start school as a transfer starting January with school and practice and then play next season. Agree with a lot of what you posted here. A couple of caveats. The NLI protects Walker's (and Sodom last season) scholarship for the academic year. I'm almost certain that Walker if he chooses could finish the academic year at Georgetown on scholarship as I am certain that Sodom did last academic year. That's why the wording is so important in these cases. The difference of "Dismissed from team/Dismissed from School" changes everything. Also it may be really difficult (next to impossible) for Walker to just walk away from school during this semester and maintain good academic standing, allowing him to transfer to another D1 program. He will at the very least need to finish out this semester in good academic standing to be able to transfer...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 15, 2018 11:08:36 GMT -5
Hmm. Okay. How about providing counseling and suspending him for the first semester? Pure Conjecture Alert: Sounds an awful lot like this did not Involve another male student athlete... I was going to let this slide but someone needs to defend Antwan Walker from what I see as DOG WHISTLE character assassination attempt. There is zero proof of what you are alleging. If there was any kind of possibility of this, he would have been dismissed from the school not just the program. If there was any truth to the BS you alleged Georgetown would be liable for all kinds of law suits including Title IX and the NCAA getting involved. If what you alleged was even partially true, then your saying Georgetown University is turning a blind eye to physical and verbal assault. So if Antwan Walker transfers to another university and commits the alleged act (you have not so subtly accused him of) again, then Georgetown University could find themselves in a whole lot of legal and moral trouble. I highly doubt Coach Ewing or the University would take that chance in any circumstance much less this climate. So either your accusing Coach Ewing and the university of turning a blind eye to physical abuse of a coed and they are complicit in limiting/hiding Walker's exposure to serious allegations or what? Without any facts (or hint of facts) to justify your statement or post, I am left to wonder why you would allege such an act by Antwan Walker, who from all we know has been a model student up until this recent circumstances? I don't know you personally Elvado, so I can't accuse you or make assumptions of regarding your above post in much the same way you don't know Antwan Walker and can't accuse him or make assumptions about him in these reported circumstances. I will say that your post did give me great pause and questioning as to why you would post such a thing?
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Post by Elvado on Oct 15, 2018 11:25:23 GMT -5
Pure Conjecture Alert: Sounds an awful lot like this did not Involve another male student athlete... I was going to let this slide but someone needs to defend Antwan Walker from what I see as DOG WHISTLE character assassination attempt. There is zero proof of what you are alleging. If there was any kind of possibility of this, he would have been dismissed from the school not just the program. If there was any truth to the BS you alleged Georgetown would be liable for all kinds of law suits including Title IX and the NCAA getting involved. If what you alleged was even partially true, then your saying Georgetown University is turning a blind eye to physical and verbal assault. So if Antwan Walker transfers to another university and commits the alleged act (you have not so subtly accused him of) again, then Georgetown University could find themselves in a whole lot of legal and moral trouble. I highly doubt Coach Ewing or the University would take that chance in any circumstance much less this climate. So either your accusing Coach Ewing and the university of turning a blind eye to physical abuse of a coed and they are complicit in limiting/hiding Walker's exposure to serious allegations or what? Without any facts (or hint of facts) to justify your statement or post, I am left to wonder why you would allege such an act by Antwan Walker, who from all we know has been a model student up until this recent circumstances? I don't know you personally Elvado, so I can't accuse you or make assumptions of regarding your above post in much the same way you don't know Antwan Walker and can't accuse him or make assumptions about him in these reported circumstances. I will say that your post did give me great pause and questioning as to why you would post such a thing? You are quite right. It was out of line and should never have been posted.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 16, 2018 19:17:41 GMT -5
Glad to see there's no ill will from the AAU team. Probably means the dismissal was justified.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 16, 2018 20:26:51 GMT -5
Glad to see there's no ill will from the AAU team. Probably means the dismissal was justified. Still find it odd that they posted a “dukes up” photo #cognativedisonance
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Post by centercourt400s on Oct 16, 2018 20:52:30 GMT -5
Glad to see there's no ill will from the AAU team. Probably means the dismissal was justified. Still find it odd that they posted a “dukes up” photo #cognativedisonance I see what you mean but I think he's actually grabbing his collar.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 16, 2018 21:12:10 GMT -5
Still find it odd that they posted a “dukes up” photo #cognativedisonance I see what you mean but I think he's actually grabbing his collar. That’s your 400 level seat vision. I hope your right, cause, as fists, he isn’t really putting them out there.
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Post by upstatesaxa on Oct 18, 2018 15:40:56 GMT -5
Unfortunate but just shows how our school operates on a different and better level than many big time programs (not that we could never have a scandal) - lately ex-coach Pitino has been making the sports radio rounds, and his litany of evasions and excuses and finger pointing and scapegoating is just nauseating. This hurts the young man more than it hurts G'town - he might have been a nice player, a useful player, but can't say he was a key or critical Hoya - an important Hoya -- and maybe this sends the message to present and future Hoya players, important or not, that our school and coach has standards. Gotta count for something on the recruiting trail for parents, like those who entrusted their sons to Big John, to know that the coach cares about more than ppg and rpg.
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Post by bereal on Oct 30, 2018 16:00:13 GMT -5
I was going to let this slide but someone needs to defend Antwan Walker from what I see as DOG WHISTLE character assassination attempt. There is zero proof of what you are alleging. If there was any kind of possibility of this, he would have been dismissed from the school not just the program. If there was any truth to the BS you alleged Georgetown would be liable for all kinds of law suits including Title IX and the NCAA getting involved. If what you alleged was even partially true, then your saying Georgetown University is turning a blind eye to physical and verbal assault. So if Antwan Walker transfers to another university and commits the alleged act (you have not so subtly accused him of) again, then Georgetown University could find themselves in a whole lot of legal and moral trouble. I highly doubt Coach Ewing or the University would take that chance in any circumstance much less this climate. So either your accusing Coach Ewing and the university of turning a blind eye to physical abuse of a coed and they are complicit in limiting/hiding Walker's exposure to serious allegations or what? Without any facts (or hint of facts) to justify your statement or post, I am left to wonder why you would allege such an act by Antwan Walker, who from all we know has been a model student up until this recent circumstances? I don't know you personally Elvado, so I can't accuse you or make assumptions of regarding your above post in much the same way you don't know Antwan Walker and can't accuse him or make assumptions about him in these reported circumstances. I will say that your post did give me great pause and questioning as to why you would post such a thing? You are quite right. It was out of line and should never have been posted.
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Post by hoyas315 on Nov 20, 2018 15:23:35 GMT -5
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Post by kbones17 on Nov 20, 2018 15:45:47 GMT -5
I’m glad Antwan found a new school and I think he will do very well there.
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