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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 11, 2018 14:08:32 GMT -5
Coach Ewing (and staff) in 1 year showed a lot of what he can do with Bigs. Look at both Derrickson's and Govan's production increases from their sophomore to Junior year. Govan became a double double guy at 18 & 10 and Derrickson doubled his scoring and rebounding out put and developed a him into a strong NBA prospect. No one said that about Derrickson after his sophomore year. Ewing provided an NBA style and structure to showcase their ability while pushing their physical conditioning to a much higher level. Now if he can that with Derrickson who lacks high level athleticism and great size in one season. What could Coach Ewing do with a high level prospect with prototypical size, length, and developing skill like say Akok? A lot of both of their jumps in production was due to opportunity though right?Not knocking PE and his coaching but not playing with LJ & Pryor gave both much more opportunities to shine.. When you look at Govan's per 40 conference #'s his jump wasn't that big at all.. MD had a bigger jump but it wasn't double his previous year... Honestly, the biggest thing PE taught them was not to foul so much which helped them stay on the court longer which helped their production imo.. MD went from 4.8 fouls per 40 his soph year to 2.8 per 40 his Jr. year www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgetown/2018.htmlAfter the past 5 years, I'm surprised any Hoyas fan has the expectation of players making a jump in production because of opportunity. Many high level players never make the jump when opportunity comes their way. Just looking at former Hoyas of the past 5 years. Still waiting for Copeland to make his jump and he's going into his 5th year in college. As a sophomore he was given every opportunity. Never made it. Tre Campbell never made his jump when he was given the opportunity his sophomore year. Lubick, Hopkins, Joshua Smith never made a jump despite having the opportunity. Derrickson's season averages went from averaging 8.3 ppg as a sophomore to 15.9 ppg as a junior while increasing his rebounding numbers from 4.4 to 8.1. Also Derrickson became a knock down shooter from distance pushing his % from a pedestrian 34.4% to 46.5%. Govan's #'s went up from 10 & 5 to 17 & 10. I'm also tired of the Extremely lazy argument that Govan feasted on the cup cake schedule and struggled in BIG EAST play. In conference he was putting up 16.6 PPG with 8.7 boards. Those are very good numbers. Both Govan and Derrickson's numbers were bigger then Otto's sophomore jump. They also made the jump in a completely new and totally different system and style of play so their was no continuity. They just didn't lead to wins like Otto's did so they get lost the minutia of 15 win season. That's training, tweaking, mental preparation. That's coaching! Just because the opportunitiess come to players, doesn't mean they will be prepared to take advantage of it. Derrickson and Govan both could have easily crapped the bed like players do all over the country. Coach Ewing prepared Derrickson and Govan to take advantage of the opportunity. In fact name one returning player who didn't improve their numbers and game under Coach Ewing's guidance vs the last year under JT3?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 11, 2018 14:12:08 GMT -5
Let's just hope hope kentucky or ku don't come calling and steals him away at the last second.... They would NEVER do something like that!😠😁
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 11, 2018 15:50:43 GMT -5
A lot of both of their jumps in production was due to opportunity though right?Not knocking PE and his coaching but not playing with LJ & Pryor gave both much more opportunities to shine.. When you look at Govan's per 40 conference #'s his jump wasn't that big at all.. MD had a bigger jump but it wasn't double his previous year... Honestly, the biggest thing PE taught them was not to foul so much which helped them stay on the court longer which helped their production imo.. MD went from 4.8 fouls per 40 his soph year to 2.8 per 40 his Jr. year www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgetown/2018.html After the past 5 years, I'm surprised any Hoyas fan has the expectation of players making a jump in production because of opportunity. Many high level players never make the jump when opportunity comes their way. Just looking at former Hoyas of the past 5 years. Still waiting for Copeland to make his jump and he's going into his 5th year in college. As a sophomore he was given every opportunity. Never made it. Tre Campbell never made his jump when he was given the opportunity his sophomore year. Lubick, Hopkins, Joshua Smith never made a jump despite having the opportunity. Derrickson's season averages went from averaging 8.3 ppg as a sophomore to 15.9 ppg as a junior while increasing his rebounding numbers from 4.4 to 8.1. Also Derrickson became a knock down shooter from distance pushing his % from a pedestrian 34.4% to 46.5%. Govan's #'s went up from 10 & 5 to 17 & 10. I'm also tired of the Extremely lazy argument that Govan feasted on the cup cake schedule and struggled in BIG EAST play. In conference he was putting up 16.6 PPG with 8.7 boards. Those are very good numbers. Both Govan and Derrickson's numbers were bigger then Otto's sophomore jump. They also made the jump in a completely new and totally different system and style of play so their was no continuity. They just didn't lead to wins like Otto's did so they get lost the minutia of 15 win season. That's training, tweaking, mental preparation. That's coaching! Just because the opportunitiess come to players, doesn't mean they will be prepared to take advantage of it. Derrickson and Govan both could have easily crapped the bed like players do all over the country. Coach Ewing prepared Derrickson and Govan to take advantage of the opportunity. In fact name one returning player who didn't improve their numbers and game under Coach Ewing's guidance vs the last year under JT3?Govan's conference per 40 numbers last season were almost identical to those in his sophomore season, MD's were pretty similar also... Of course, they could have done poorly in leading roles but who amongst us expected that to happen? If you told me that MD was going to get twice as many FGA's and twice as many FTA's in his Jr year, I would have expected a big jump in his overall numbers... I give PE & staff a great deal of credit for taking advantage of his best players though..
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 11, 2018 16:11:58 GMT -5
Interesting discussion about production per minute staying constant while playing time moved up - implying MD and JG's performance didn't really change, just their time on court. However, the difference in 3 pt shooting by MD is pretty darn impressive. The main point I wanted to add though, is that while it is true there was greater opportunity in the absence of Peak and Pryor, there was also the increased challenge of being the focus of opposing teams' game plans.
In short, while production per minute is certainly an interesting stat and should be taken into consideration, when two guys like MD and JG almost double their numbers that is a major achievement, Good on them AND on the coaching staff.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 11, 2018 18:26:46 GMT -5
After the past 5 years, I'm surprised any Hoyas fan has the expectation of players making a jump in production because of opportunity. Many high level players never make the jump when opportunity comes their way. Just looking at former Hoyas of the past 5 years. Still waiting for Copeland to make his jump and he's going into his 5th year in college. As a sophomore he was given every opportunity. Never made it. Tre Campbell never made his jump when he was given the opportunity his sophomore year. Lubick, Hopkins, Joshua Smith never made a jump despite having the opportunity. Derrickson's season averages went from averaging 8.3 ppg as a sophomore to 15.9 ppg as a junior while increasing his rebounding numbers from 4.4 to 8.1. Also Derrickson became a knock down shooter from distance pushing his % from a pedestrian 34.4% to 46.5%. Govan's #'s went up from 10 & 5 to 17 & 10. I'm also tired of the Extremely lazy argument that Govan feasted on the cup cake schedule and struggled in BIG EAST play. In conference he was putting up 16.6 PPG with 8.7 boards. Those are very good numbers. Both Govan and Derrickson's numbers were bigger then Otto's sophomore jump. They also made the jump in a completely new and totally different system and style of play so their was no continuity. They just didn't lead to wins like Otto's did so they get lost the minutia of 15 win season. That's training, tweaking, mental preparation. That's coaching! Just because the opportunitiess come to players, doesn't mean they will be prepared to take advantage of it. Derrickson and Govan both could have easily crapped the bed like players do all over the country. Coach Ewing prepared Derrickson and Govan to take advantage of the opportunity. In fact name one returning player who didn't improve their numbers and game under Coach Ewing's guidance vs the last year under JT3?Govan's conference per 40 numbers last season were almost identical to those in his sophomore season, MD's were pretty similar also... Of course, they could have done poorly in leading roles but who amongst us expected that to happen? If you told me that MD was going to get twice as many FGA's and twice as many FTA's in his Jr year, I would have expected a big jump in his overall numbers... I give PE & staff a great deal of credit for taking advantage of his best players though.. Your reaching on MD. He averaged 8 PPG in about 24 MPG as a sophomore. He pretty much doubled his scoring output while only increasing his MPG by 8 to 32 MPG as a junior. Your playing with funny math. His per 40 went from 14 PPG as a sophomore to 20 PPG as a Junior. Govan's ability to stay on the floor is also credit to Coach Ewing and staff improving his conditioning and understanding of defensive positioning and concepts that kept him on the floor and out of foul trouble pretty much the entire season. No one expected Copeland to struggle mightily his sophomore year when his opportunity in a leading role came? Like I said its not always a guarantee a player will step up when their opportunity arise. Also to what degree do they take advantage of their opportunities is questionable. You make it seem as if its a given they will...
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 11, 2018 21:10:48 GMT -5
Govan averaged a double-double, the FIRST Hoya to do that since Sweetney. If you don't think Ewing didn't have anything to do with that you are in denial or far too jaded. As fr Govan's BE play he had a major drop off, particularly in FG%, during the month of January but he bounced back great in February and for the couple of games we played in March.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 11, 2018 21:30:43 GMT -5
Ewing’s a motivator. Kids will play hard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 21:51:56 GMT -5
Govan averaged a double-double, the FIRST Hoya to do that since Sweetney. If you don't think Ewing didn't have anything to do with that you are in denial or far too jaded. As fr Govan's BE play he had a major drop off, particularly in FG%, during the month of January but he bounced back great in February and for the couple of games we played in March. He would've been even better if he hadn't played 32+ mpg and didn't have a double double.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 11, 2018 22:41:24 GMT -5
Govan's conference per 40 numbers last season were almost identical to those in his sophomore season, MD's were pretty similar also... Of course, they could have done poorly in leading roles but who amongst us expected that to happen? If you told me that MD was going to get twice as many FGA's and twice as many FTA's in his Jr year, I would have expected a big jump in his overall numbers... I give PE & staff a great deal of credit for taking advantage of his best players though.. Your reaching on MD. He averaged 8 PPG in about 24 MPG as a sophomore. He pretty much doubled his scoring output while only increasing his MPG by 8 to 32 MPG as a junior. Your playing with funny math. His per 40 went from 14 PPG as a sophomore to 20 PPG as a Junior. Govan's ability to stay on the floor is also credit to Coach Ewing and staff improving his conditioning and understanding of defensive positioning and concepts that kept him on the floor and out of foul trouble pretty much the entire season. No one expected Copeland to struggle mightily his sophomore year when his opportunity in a leading role came? Like I said its not always a guarantee a player will step up when their opportunity arise. Also to what degree do they take advantage of their opportunities is questionable. You make it seem as if its a given they will... To me, MPG isn't nearly as important as FGA per game, in those extra 8 minutes per game MD took twice as many shots and he also took twice as many free throws... I don't think I'm playing funny with the math at all, 14 to 20 isn't double the production... I stated in an earlier post in this thread that PE did a very nice job in getting them limit their fouls and I also believe he did a great job utilizing them but I just hesistate to give a big amount of their success to PE... Not trying to make it seem like it was a given but I wasn't surprised that either kid stepped up the way they did last season, both had shown nice glimpses during their 1st two years...
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 11, 2018 22:41:36 GMT -5
Govan averaged a double-double, the FIRST Hoya to do that since Sweetney. If you don't think Ewing didn't have anything to do with that you are in denial or far too jaded. As fr Govan's BE play he had a major drop off, particularly in FG%, during the month of January but he bounced back great in February and for the couple of games we played in March. Where did anyone post that PE had nothing to do with Govan's production?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 11, 2018 23:01:02 GMT -5
Your reaching on MD. He averaged 8 PPG in about 24 MPG as a sophomore. He pretty much doubled his scoring output while only increasing his MPG by 8 to 32 MPG as a junior. Your playing with funny math. His per 40 went from 14 PPG as a sophomore to 20 PPG as a Junior. Govan's ability to stay on the floor is also credit to Coach Ewing and staff improving his conditioning and understanding of defensive positioning and concepts that kept him on the floor and out of foul trouble pretty much the entire season. No one expected Copeland to struggle mightily his sophomore year when his opportunity in a leading role came? Like I said its not always a guarantee a player will step up when their opportunity arise. Also to what degree do they take advantage of their opportunities is questionable. You make it seem as if its a given they will... To me, MPG isn't nearly as important as FGA per game, in those extra 8 minutes per game MD took twice as many shots and he also took twice as many free throws... I don't think I'm playing funny with the math at all, 14 to 20 isn't double the production... I stated in an earlier post in this thread that PE did a very nice job in getting them limit their fouls and I also believe he did a great job utilizing them but I just hesistate to give a big amount of their success to PE... Not trying to make it seem like it was a given but I wasn't surprised that either kid stepped up the way they did last season, both had shown nice glimpses during their 1st two years... Etomic love debating you on all things Hoyas BBall but in this case your moving the hoop/goal post all over the place to fit your narrative. So I'm tapping out...
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 11, 2018 23:04:52 GMT -5
To me, MPG isn't nearly as important as FGA per game, in those extra 8 minutes per game MD took twice as many shots and he also took twice as many free throws... I don't think I'm playing funny with the math at all, 14 to 20 isn't double the production... I stated in an earlier post in this thread that PE did a very nice job in getting them limit their fouls and I also believe he did a great job utilizing them but I just hesistate to give a big amount of their success to PE... Not trying to make it seem like it was a given but I wasn't surprised that either kid stepped up the way they did last season, both had shown nice glimpses during their 1st two years... Etomic love debating you on all things Hoyas BBall but in this case your moving the hoop/goal post all over the place to fit your narrative. So I'm tapping out... Thought I was pretty focused but it's all good...
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Post by ewingitrust on Oct 12, 2018 6:07:18 GMT -5
If we can just get him on campus for an ov...if truly we covet him...the staff will definitely have to aggressively pursue.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 12, 2018 21:07:33 GMT -5
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Post by nattybumpo3152 on Oct 13, 2018 23:41:33 GMT -5
Wahab says Hurley showed him some tape and how UConn would use him. Athletically, PE can get him right. Big difference in how Wahab perceives the benefit each program can potentially offer. He knows PE is the only coach who can really help Wahab reach his highest potential. Of course, there are other factors that motivate a top recruit's decision.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 14, 2018 17:00:30 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 14, 2018 18:27:40 GMT -5
Good news, we are in the mix. Do your thing Patrick, make him a Hoya!
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 19, 2018 20:45:27 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 23, 2018 9:21:05 GMT -5
Stop me if you’ve heard this before. Pitt is battling for Wahab’s services along with a host of other traditional East Coast teams including UConn, Georgetown and Syracuse. In fact, Wahab is taking a visit to UConn this weekend at the same time Mitchell will be there. Virginia Tech rounds out Wahab’s top five.
Wahab, a 6-10 center playing for Flint Hill School in Ashburn, Virginia, also has scheduled an official visit for Pitt Nov. 2 and Syracuse on Nov 10. He was at Virginia Tech for an official visit last weekend and previously visited UConn on Oct. 12. Pitt has made it clear Wahab is a priority, with Capel visiting his school this month.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 23, 2018 9:29:59 GMT -5
Curious to know if this visit is still occurring this weekend considering that the team is suppose be at VCU on Saturday. I thought it was weird when it was announced. Wahab would not be allowed to travel with the team for the scrimmage and leaving him on campus with one of the assistant coaches for a few hours could happen but imo would be counter productive. There are some reports that he's going back to UCONN this weekend for UV. Maybe his OV to the Hilltop gets moved to later date. Maybe starts on Sunday instead of Friday?Maybe it happens another week? Maybe it still happens this weekend. We will see...
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