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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Oct 11, 2018 4:53:00 GMT -5
UConn is a nice campus in the middle of nowhere, Connecticut. Storrs, a half-hour from downtown Hartford and 90 minutes from Boston. Wow. How can Georgetown possibly compete with that? I went to law school in Boston and passed through (emphasis on passing through) Hartford many times on my way to New York. There had to be a reason why Akinjo decommitted. Let's see: D.C--Hartford; D.C--Hartford; D.C.--Hartford. I admit it. That's a tough one. That doesn't work for you, then, let's try Ewing v. Uconn's big man coach; Ewing -- Uconn's big man coach; Ewing -- Uconn's big man coach. Still doesn't work, let's try something else. Gtown's academic ranking -- Uconn'w academic ranking. Gtown's academic ranking -- Uconn's academic ranking. # of NCAA tournament bids. UConn 32 and Georgetown 30. Last time for UConn 2016. Last time for Georgetown 2007. In the final analysis would you rather take a 30 minute drive to Hartford or a 10 minute walk to the White House? Is there anything UConn has over Gtown? Akok knows which coach is going to make him into an NBA level basketball player. Very strong argument!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 6:00:38 GMT -5
UConn is a nice campus in the middle of nowhere, Connecticut. Storrs, a half-hour from downtown Hartford and 90 minutes from Boston. Wow. How can Georgetown possibly compete with that? I went to law school in Boston and passed through (emphasis on passing through) Hartford many times on my way to New York. There had to be a reason why Akinjo decommitted. Let's see: D.C--Hartford; D.C--Hartford; D.C.--Hartford. I admit it. That's a tough one. That doesn't work for you, then, let's try Ewing v. Uconn's big man coach; Ewing -- Uconn's big man coach; Ewing -- Uconn's big man coach. Still doesn't work, let's try something else. Gtown's academic ranking -- Uconn'w academic ranking. Gtown's academic ranking -- Uconn's academic ranking. # of NCAA tournament bids. UConn 32 and Georgetown 30. Last time for UConn 2016. Last time for Georgetown 2007. In the final analysis would you rather take a 30 minute drive to Hartford or a 10 minute walk to the White House? Is there anything UConn has over Gtown? Akok knows which coach is going to make him into an NBA level basketball player. Devil’s advocate: National championship banners hanging: UConn 4, Georgetown 1 # of 20-win seasons: Mediocre college guard 4, Hall of Fame center 0 (yeah, I know - Wagner) # of NCAA tourney appearances: MCG 2, HoFC 0
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Post by IDenj on Oct 11, 2018 6:29:14 GMT -5
UConn is a nice campus in the middle of nowhere, Connecticut. Storrs, a half-hour from downtown Hartford and 90 minutes from Boston. Wow. How can Georgetown possibly compete with that? I went to law school in Boston and passed through (emphasis on passing through) Hartford many times on my way to New York. There had to be a reason why Akinjo decommitted. Let's see: D.C--Hartford; D.C--Hartford; D.C.--Hartford. I admit it. That's a tough one. That doesn't work for you, then, let's try Ewing v. Uconn's big man coach; Ewing -- Uconn's big man coach; Ewing -- Uconn's big man coach. Still doesn't work, let's try something else. Gtown's academic ranking -- Uconn'w academic ranking. Gtown's academic ranking -- Uconn's academic ranking. # of NCAA tournament bids. UConn 32 and Georgetown 30. Last time for UConn 2016. Last time for Georgetown 2007. In the final analysis would you rather take a 30 minute drive to Hartford or a 10 minute walk to the White House? Is there anything UConn has over Gtown? Akok knows which coach is going to make him into an NBA level basketball player. hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/30467/basketball-bribery-scandal
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 11, 2018 8:43:09 GMT -5
UConn is a nice campus in the middle of nowhere, Connecticut. Storrs, a half-hour from downtown Hartford and 90 minutes from Boston. Wow. How can Georgetown possibly compete with that? I went to law school in Boston and passed through (emphasis on passing through) Hartford many times on my way to New York. There had to be a reason why Akinjo decommitted. Let's see: D.C--Hartford; D.C--Hartford; D.C.--Hartford. I admit it. That's a tough one. That doesn't work for you, then, let's try Ewing v. Uconn's big man coach; Ewing -- Uconn's big man coach; Ewing -- Uconn's big man coach. Still doesn't work, let's try something else. Gtown's academic ranking -- Uconn'w academic ranking. Gtown's academic ranking -- Uconn's academic ranking. # of NCAA tournament bids. UConn 32 and Georgetown 30. Last time for UConn 2016. Last time for Georgetown 2007. In the final analysis would you rather take a 30 minute drive to Hartford or a 10 minute walk to the White House? Is there anything UConn has over Gtown? Akok knows which coach is going to make him into an NBA level basketball player. Basketball recruiting is not a case of "rational markets". If it were, every top recruit would go to Stanford or Harvard. They don't. Yes, Georgetown is better than Connecticut. But it doesn't take much to argue why a recruit could go to UConn (or Baylor, or Michigan State, or any number of schools): 1. These schools gives players freedom. No need to sign in and out when it comes to class attendance. 2. Plenty of room to live off campus and do what you want. 3. A car. 4. Exposure on ESPN. 5. More fan support. 6. More booster support. 7. A track record of players going to the NBA (and no, 50 year old retired players don't count when you're 18). I think we fool ourselves when we think that every top recruit holds the same awe and respect for Patrick Ewing than those of us that went to school with him or saw him in his prime. Many do, but not all.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 11, 2018 9:50:17 GMT -5
UConn is a nice campus in the middle of nowhere, Connecticut. Storrs, a half-hour from downtown Hartford and 90 minutes from Boston. Wow. How can Georgetown possibly compete with that? I went to law school in Boston and passed through (emphasis on passing through) Hartford many times on my way to New York. There had to be a reason why Akinjo decommitted. Let's see: D.C--Hartford; D.C--Hartford; D.C.--Hartford. I admit it. That's a tough one. That doesn't work for you, then, let's try Ewing v. Uconn's big man coach; Ewing -- Uconn's big man coach; Ewing -- Uconn's big man coach. Still doesn't work, let's try something else. Gtown's academic ranking -- Uconn'w academic ranking. Gtown's academic ranking -- Uconn's academic ranking. # of NCAA tournament bids. UConn 32 and Georgetown 30. Last time for UConn 2016. Last time for Georgetown 2007. In the final analysis would you rather take a 30 minute drive to Hartford or a 10 minute walk to the White House? Is there anything UConn has over Gtown? Akok knows which coach is going to make him into an NBA level basketball player. Great first post, welcome. How about this one - be on best college basketball team at school -- be on 2nd best college basketball program at school.... 2nd best -- best.... 2nd best -- best....
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Post by s4hoyas on Oct 11, 2018 10:05:54 GMT -5
You seem to be operating under a black cloud of negativity...Georgetown wants student-athletes who CHOOSE to go to class, not players who demean academics and try to get out of going; "live off campus"?...living in close by Georgetown area or Arlington is alot more attractive than living in "outer Storrs;" "A car"? There's nothing they can do Legally that we can't do...and if they do something illegal they are looking at yet another NCAA violation; "exposure on ESPN"...you're kidding, right? The conference they play in ain't the ACC (I think its the AAC) so their exposure is likely far less than what G'town will get on Fox, MASN, Comcast, etc..."More fan/booster support"...ours will get dramatically better with recruits like him ( I will give you that their's has been better because there is really not much else going on in Storrs/Hartford, although its been lessened by their recent records)..."players to the NBA'?...both schools have had a healthy number of these, but I suspect a greater percentage of ours have graduated...As to awe/respect for PE, you can't achieve what he has in college and NBA as a player and NBA as a coach and be 25 or 30 years old...I would think most appreciate the lengthy track record of achievement, which very few others in his profession have accomplished...for sure, Danny Hurley is not one of them at this point...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 11, 2018 10:20:53 GMT -5
DFW is just pointing out reality - as much as we like to prioritize the positives of coming to Georgetown and being coached by Patrick, there are dozens of different factors that can play into a recruit's decision. At this point our best hope is that we win more games so that success and post-season opportunities become a plus factor rather than a minus.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 11, 2018 10:36:31 GMT -5
DFW is just pointing out reality - as much as we like to prioritize the positives of coming to Georgetown and being coached by Patrick, there are dozens of different factors that can play into a recruit's decision. At this point our best hope is that we win more games so that success and post-season opportunities become a plus factor rather than a minus. Agreed 100%. I have seen quotes from recruits who have said they've never seen Ewing play, which makes sense since he retired after they were born (or when they were super young). Obviously, Ewing has a well-known name, and these recruits' parents would certainly know Ewing, but for 16-17 year olds, the Ewing pull is not as significant as it would be for someone who was older and knew Ewing the player. Ewing only has one year of college coaching under his belt, he's never sent anybody to the NBA (yet), and the program has one NCAA bid in the last five years. That's not meant as a knock - it's just the reality of our situation, and goes far in explaining why recruits would choose other places. If we start winning, and make the NCAA tournament this season, I think Ewing's recruiting job will get easier, but we aren't there yet. I went to Georgetown, think it was a wonderful place to go to college, and would never choose another place to go to college in retrospect. I know a lot of people here feel the same way. But, there are a lot of good schools out there, and a lot of reasons why people pick them (location, easier academics, bigger campuses, bigger student bodies, better facilities, etc.). Georgetown isn't the right fit for everybody, which is fine. It's also important to remember than these are young kids trying to make a huge decision, and their thought process is often very different from those of us who are much older. (All that being said, I don't think Connecticut is all that appealing at the moment, with Ollie having been fired for cause and being in the AAC.)
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 11, 2018 10:38:02 GMT -5
Akok can play for a 3 or 4 year college All American big man, a HOF NBA top 50 All Time player, and a 15 year NBA coach who had proven success developing bigs...at an elite academic university...or he can play for a mediocre college guard at a state university where he's from...if he goes to Syracuse, he's limited to playing a zone defense which will retard his man to man development for the NBA and his coach might retire at any time...Providence to me is more of a worry due to having 3 AAU teamates from Mass Rivals on the current team and Cooley has been on him a long time...however, my original point still applies...hope he sees the light... Weren’t these same statements posted in the threads of other 2019 bigs that have since chosen other programs or have eliminated Gtown from their final list?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 11, 2018 10:40:40 GMT -5
Akok can play for a 3 or 4 year college All American big man, a HOF NBA top 50 All Time player, and a 15 year NBA coach who had proven success developing bigs...at an elite academic university...or he can play for a mediocre college guard at a state university where he's from...if he goes to Syracuse, he's limited to playing a zone defense which will retard his man to man development for the NBA and his coach might retire at any time...Providence to me is more of a worry due to having 3 AAU teamates from Mass Rivals on the current team and Cooley has been on him a long time...however, my original point still applies...hope he sees the light... Weren’t these same statements posted in the threads of other 2019 bigs that have since chosen other programs or have eliminated Gtown from their final list? I think the fact that Ewing was a great player and is in the Hall of Fame is overrated from a recruiting/coaching perspective. There are plenty of all-time greats that you'd never want to select as a coach, and others who have tried and failed miserably (see Clyde Drexler). Frankly, I think Ewing's experience coaching in the NBA is more pertinent to recruits than his own performance.
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Post by s4hoyas on Oct 11, 2018 10:50:49 GMT -5
Sure, right, whatever you say man..."reality" is in the eye of the beholder...my view is that you have to land impactful players in order to have winning seasons/post season opportunities, not vice versa...
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 11, 2018 10:51:59 GMT -5
Weren’t these same statements posted in the threads of other 2019 bigs that have since chosen other programs or have eliminated Gtown from their final list? I think the fact that Ewing was a great player and is in the Hall of Fame is overrated from a recruiting/coaching perspective. There are plenty of all-time greats that you'd never want to select as a coach, and others who have tried and failed miserably (see Clyde Drexler). Frankly, I think Ewing's experience coaching in the NBA is more pertinent to recruits than his own performance. Even his NBA coaching experience can be downplayed, he’s credited with helping Yoa Ming, D. Howard, Kemba etc but they’re all top 10 picks, that’s far different from developing HS kids into productive players.. I believe given time PE can/will develop into a highly productive college coach but right now he’s behind other coaches who’ve been at this for years.. Even if they were mediocre college players..
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 11, 2018 11:23:20 GMT -5
You seem to be operating under a black cloud of negativity...Georgetown wants student-athletes who CHOOSE to go to class, not players who demean academics and try to get out of going; "live off campus"?...living in close by Georgetown area or Arlington is alot more attractive than living in "outer Storrs;" "A car"? There's nothing they can do Legally that we can't do...and if they do something illegal they are looking at yet another NCAA violation; "exposure on ESPN"...you're kidding, right? The conference they play in ain't the ACC (I think its the AAC) so their exposure is likely far less than what G'town will get on Fox, MASN, Comcast, etc..."More fan/booster support"...ours will get dramatically better with recruits like him ( I will give you that their's has been better because there is really not much else going on in Storrs/Hartford, although its been lessened by their recent records)..."players to the NBA'?...both schools have had a healthy number of these, but I suspect a greater percentage of ours have graduated...As to awe/respect for PE, you can't achieve what he has in college and NBA as a player and NBA as a coach and be 25 or 30 years old...I would think most appreciate the lengthy track record of achievement, which very few others in his profession have accomplished...for sure, Danny Hurley is not one of them at this point... It's not negativity, just that a lot of recruits choose schools for reasons which Georgetown doesn't fit, and that's why the argument is expanded it to places beyond UConn. Why would someone turn down Washington DC for East Lansing, Baton Rouge, or Lincoln? A lot of good kids will choose the bright lights of the Big Ten or the SEC and that's not a knock on Georgetown, only that those schools offer something Georgetown doesn't, good or bad. Georgetown is a great place to go and yet there are a lot of good people that have been successful elsewhere. Recruiting those kids that fit is vital to the success of any program in any sport, and something Georgetown does as well as any.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 11, 2018 11:42:39 GMT -5
I think the fact that Ewing was a great player and is in the Hall of Fame is overrated from a recruiting/coaching perspective. There are plenty of all-time greats that you'd never want to select as a coach, and others who have tried and failed miserably (see Clyde Drexler). Frankly, I think Ewing's experience coaching in the NBA is more pertinent to recruits than his own performance. Even his NBA coaching experience can be downplayed, he’s credited with helping Yoa Ming, D. Howard, Kemba etc but they’re all top 10 picks, that’s far different from developing HS kids into productive players.. I believe given time PE can/will develop into a highly productive college coach but right now he’s behind other coaches who’ve been at this for years.. Even if they were mediocre college players.. Coach Ewing (and staff) in 1 year showed a lot of what he can do with Bigs. Look at both Derrickson's and Govan's production increases from their sophomore to Junior year. Govan became a double double guy at 18 & 10 and Derrickson doubled his scoring and rebounding out put and developed a him into a strong NBA prospect. No one said that about Derrickson after his sophomore year. Ewing provided an NBA style and structure to showcase their ability while pushing their physical conditioning to a much higher level. Now if he can do that with Derrickson who lacks high level athleticism and great size in one season. What could Coach Ewing do with a high level prospect with prototypical size, length, and developing skill like say Akok?
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Post by s4hoyas on Oct 11, 2018 11:52:44 GMT -5
Exactly...
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 11, 2018 11:53:27 GMT -5
Even his NBA coaching experience can be downplayed, he’s credited with helping Yoa Ming, D. Howard, Kemba etc but they’re all top 10 picks, that’s far different from developing HS kids into productive players.. I believe given time PE can/will develop into a highly productive college coach but right now he’s behind other coaches who’ve been at this for years.. Even if they were mediocre college players.. Coach Ewing (and staff) in 1 year showed a lot of what he can do with Bigs. Look at both Derrickson's and Govan's production increases from their sophomore to Junior year. Govan became a double double guy at 18 & 10 and Derrickson doubled his scoring and rebounding out put and developed a him into a strong NBA prospect. No one said that about Derrickson after his sophomore year. Ewing provided an NBA style and structure to showcase their ability while pushing their physical conditioning to a much higher level. Now if he can that with Derrickson who lacks high level athleticism and great size in one season. What could Coach Ewing do with a high level prospect with prototypical size, length, and developing skill like say Akok? A lot of both of their jumps in production was due to opportunity though right? Not knocking PE and his coaching but not playing with LJ & Pryor gave both much more opportunities to shine.. When you look at Govan's per 40 conference #'s his jump wasn't that big at all.. MD had a bigger jump but it wasn't double his previous year... Honestly, the biggest thing PE taught them was not to foul so much which helped them stay on the court longer which helped their production imo.. MD went from 4.8 fouls per 40 his soph year to 2.8 per 40 his Jr. year www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgetown/2018.html
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Post by hoyazeke on Oct 11, 2018 12:41:02 GMT -5
The greatest benefit of Ewing being our coach is him being able to say that he coached in the pros and he knows 1st hand what it takes to get to the pros.....I'm 43yrs old, which means I was 9yrs old when Ewing last played for GTown. I don't remember him as a Hoya. I know that he was a Hoya but I remember him as a Knick. Why do we expect 16-18yr olds to be at awe of Ewing the player. If I walked into a gym at 17yrs old and The Big O was there, I would want an autograph but I wouldn't necessarily want him to be my coach. But if I had walked into a gym an Big John was there or Chaney, I would have been much more receptive to coaching.... just saying.....🤔
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 11, 2018 12:46:13 GMT -5
Coach Ewing (and staff) in 1 year showed a lot of what he can do with Bigs. Look at both Derrickson's and Govan's production increases from their sophomore to Junior year. Govan became a double double guy at 18 & 10 and Derrickson doubled his scoring and rebounding out put and developed a him into a strong NBA prospect. No one said that about Derrickson after his sophomore year. Ewing provided an NBA style and structure to showcase their ability while pushing their physical conditioning to a much higher level. Now if he can do that with Derrickson who lacks high level athleticism and great size in one season. What could Coach Ewing do with a high level prospect with prototypical size, length, and developing skill like say Akok? No doubt, Govan and Derrickson improved and Ewing gets credit for that. But, Govan and Derrickson were already solid players who got better over the course of a year (and as someone else said, Govan's jump isn't nearly as big as Derrickson's, especially if you look at his conference stats and exclude the OOC easy opponents). It's also not the type of jump that's going to be noticeable to outsiders, either. For example, when Otto Porter blew up from really good freshman to top 3 pick, that was hugely noticeable. Derrickson made a nice improvement, but unless you're a die-hard follower of the Hoyas, you're simply not going to know about that, or that he could possibly make the Warriors' roster. Whether fair or not, Govan and Derrickson's improvements alone aren't going to draw recruits to Georgetown. In a nutshell, it's really too early to be able to comment one way or another on Ewing's coaching ability because we simply don't know. There are encouraging signs, and I am hopeful, but one year isn't enough to make any sort of big conclusions, and it certainly isn't enough to draw in recruits on its own merits.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 11, 2018 12:58:47 GMT -5
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Post by blazers44 on Oct 11, 2018 13:37:29 GMT -5
Let's just hope hope kentucky or ku don't come calling and steals him away at the last second....
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