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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 16:52:10 GMT -5
If Mitch McConnell, Mcarthy and the rest of the Republicans in Congress wanted to stop this nonsense they could do it today. You can’t lay this at the feet of Nancy Pelosi.
I get the sentiment, but agree with T.C it’s a dumb take. It also lets them off the hook when they’re the ones enabling him.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 22, 2019 16:52:57 GMT -5
The Sec of Treasury went on TV today and said it would be a terrible precedent for the president to follow the law. That’s where we’re at now. AOC is right, the real scandal is no longer trump’s behavior but the Dems refusal to do anything about it. AOC's take is a dumb take. The real scandal is still the guy trying to use foreign powers and taxpayer dollars as weapons of malice against political opponents. I hate it but this is a you take a shot at the king you best not miss situation. They need to get their ducks in a row before moving to impeachment, but they better start holding people like Lewandowski and Barr in contempt. How can they "get their ducks in a row" when they're being stonewalled at every turn? What have the courts done for Jerry Nadler so far? it's far too time-consuming... It's time to bring the articles of impeachment and then the information they need should get expedited. Pelosi needs to step aside, this is no longer about who controls the house any longer...
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 22, 2019 17:11:39 GMT -5
If Mitch McConnell, Mcarthy and the rest of the Republicans in Congress wanted to stop this nonsense they could do it today. You can’t lay this at the feet of Nancy Pelosi. I get the sentiment, but agree with T.C it’s a dumb take. It also lets them off the hook when they’re the ones enabling him. McConnell doesn't want this behavior stopped, while we're fixated(rightfully so) on all of this administrations misdeeds, Moscow Mitch is getting judges confirmed(many of whom are unqualified) at a ridiculous rate and refusing to bring up any bill that's passed by the Democratic Party led House, that's all he cares about right now... Truth be told the Republicans aren't on any hook, their base isn't calling them out or holding them accountable in any way...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 18:09:40 GMT -5
If Mitch McConnell, Mcarthy and the rest of the Republicans in Congress wanted to stop this nonsense they could do it today. You can’t lay this at the feet of Nancy Pelosi. I get the sentiment, but agree with T.C it’s a dumb take. It also lets them off the hook when they’re the ones enabling him. McConnell doesn't want this behavior stopped, while we're fixated(rightfully so) on all of this administrations misdeeds, Moscow Mitch is getting judges confirmed(many who are unqualified) at a ridiculous rate and refusing to bring up any bill that's passed by the Democratic Party led House, that's all he cares about right now... Truth be told the Republicans aren't on any hook, their base isn't calling them out or holding them accountable in any way... Their base isn’t big enough to win a national election. It’s always going to be about folks in the middle. The part I’m taking issue with is “bigger scandal”. While I agree they could be doing more and haven’t been aggressive enough there’s no way that’s true imo. I’m all for impeaching him for investigatory purposes, but not doing so isn’t a bigger scandal than what Trump and the other side are doing.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 22, 2019 19:36:05 GMT -5
McConnell doesn't want this behavior stopped, while we're fixated(rightfully so) on all of this administrations misdeeds, Moscow Mitch is getting judges confirmed(many who are unqualified) at a ridiculous rate and refusing to bring up any bill that's passed by the Democratic Party led House, that's all he cares about right now... Truth be told the Republicans aren't on any hook, their base isn't calling them out or holding them accountable in any way... Their base isn’t big enough to win a national election. It’s always going to be about folks in the middle. The part I’m taking issue with is “bigger scandal”. While I agree they could be doing more and haven’t been aggressive enough there’s no way that’s true imo. I’m all for impeaching him for investigatory purposes, but not doing so isn’t a bigger scandal than what Trump and the other side are doing. But the "their" we're talking about right now is Republican politicians, not the President, those folks don't have to win national elections so to me they're not under any pressure to do anything to curb President Trump's behavior... Also, the presidency isn't really a national election either, it's about a few swing states... I get what you're saying but I believe we all get the main point she's making, someone has to do something about this President & administration... Republicans won't so that leaves the Democratic Party led house in my view...
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 22, 2019 20:31:34 GMT -5
The other thing is that not doing anything sets a precedent. Maybe trump is a one of a kind but I wouldn't bet on it. Making it known that a president can have unchecked power really sets the stage for future disasters.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 21:30:40 GMT -5
Their base isn’t big enough to win a national election. It’s always going to be about folks in the middle. The part I’m taking issue with is “bigger scandal”. While I agree they could be doing more and haven’t been aggressive enough there’s no way that’s true imo. I’m all for impeaching him for investigatory purposes, but not doing so isn’t a bigger scandal than what Trump and the other side are doing. But the "their" we're talking about right now is Republican politicians, not the President, those folks don't have to win national elections so to me they're not under any pressure to do anything to curb President Trump's behavior... Also, the presidency isn't really a national election either, it's about a few swing states... I get what you're saying but I believe we all get the main point she's making, someone has to do something about this President & administration... Republicans won't so that leaves the Democratic Party led house in my view... I agree with that but I don’t agree with her saying it’s a bigger scandal. I think phrasing it like that helps Republicans because it makes people feel apathetic. Ultimately the only way we’re going to get rid of this dude is by beating him in an election so the solution to this lies with us. Folks have to decide what type of country we want to be, and what type go government we want to represent us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 22:11:41 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 23, 2019 9:16:43 GMT -5
But the "their" we're talking about right now is Republican politicians, not the President, those folks don't have to win national elections so to me they're not under any pressure to do anything to curb President Trump's behavior... Also, the presidency isn't really a national election either, it's about a few swing states... I get what you're saying but I believe we all get the main point she's making, someone has to do something about this President & administration... Republicans won't so that leaves the Democratic Party led house in my view... I agree with that but I don’t agree with her saying it’s a bigger scandal. I think phrasing it like that helps Republicans because it makes people feel apathetic. Ultimately the only way we’re going to get rid of this dude is by beating him in an election so the solution to this lies with us. Folks have to decide what type of country we want to be, and what type go government we want to represent us. Of course, AOC is wrong about what the bigger scandal is between President Trump's terrible behavior and Pelosi's soft approach to it but that shouldn't take away from the main point she's making at all in my view... I doubt very much that this comment will help Republicans at all, what can they say that won't call further attention to this administrations behavior? To me, the best way to defeat him is to have all of the details his behavior past and present laid out piece by piece an impeachment inquiry will do just that... President Trumps, lawyers already know this which helps to explain why House led committees are where they are as far as "getting their ducks in a row" is concerned... www.politico.com/story/2019/09/23/trump-impeachment-legal-strategy-1506652Donald Trump’s lawyers insist they don’t need to form an impeachment defense team.
Yet here’s what they have: At least 30 White House and Justice Department attorneys who have worked on related issues. Several personal lawyers for the president dealing with the subject. A lurking presence at Capitol Hill impeachment-focused hearings. Aggressive legal briefs and countersuits foiling efforts to gather fuel for potential proceedings. Near-daily media appearances discussing the topic.
This technically nonexistent yet omnipresent force has been critical in stymying Democrats’ attempts to build their case for removing Trump from office. Trump’s lawyers have helped block testimony from former White House counsel Don McGahn — a key player in the most potentially damning stories from Robert Mueller’s report — fought lawmakers and prosecutors trying to see the president’s personal tax returns and protected the former special counsel’s most sensitive secrets. They’ve also advised ex-Trump staffers like Corey Lewandowski and Hope Hicks as they faced grillings from congressional Democrats.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 10:50:12 GMT -5
Trump isn’t making the case it didn’t happen. He’s making the case it was proper.
We've gone from "there is no collusion" to screw you, we are conspiring with foreign leaders from the Oval Office.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 13:15:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:41:29 GMT -5
I guess the silence means Republicans are ok with all of this...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 23, 2019 19:02:42 GMT -5
I guess the silence means Republicans are ok with all of this... FOF=Fear of Fox
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 21:08:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 21:10:38 GMT -5
According to this article Trump told Mulvaney to freeze nearly $400 mill in aid to Ukraine days before the July 25 call. GOP senators who knew about this AS IT WAS HAPPENING.
State Department and Pompeo where in on it also according to Rudy...
Sounds legit...
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 23, 2019 21:31:20 GMT -5
These guys are shameless, Smh...
Devin Nunez talking about "political schemes" is interesting...
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 24, 2019 8:30:03 GMT -5
Seems like momentum for impeachment is building very quickly.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 24, 2019 9:27:32 GMT -5
Seems like momentum for impeachment is building very quickly. While Pelosi has her share of faults, her concern is 100% correct: if the votes in the Senate aren't there (and they are not), or if McConnell simply never brings this to the floor in 2020 a la Merrick Garland, it will embolden Trump to conclude he is truly above the law and can't be challenged by Congress again (re: the "Fifth Avenue" defense), with even more chicanery to follow. Impeachment is only a political indictment and not a removal from office--that lies solely with the Senate, which would need 20 of 53 Republican senators to defy Fox News and social media to vote for conviction. That's a lot of votes that would be under intense personal and political pressure not to "cave in" to the left. Can we name 20 Senators that would risk their personal and political fortunes to do so? Can we name five?
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Post by TC on Sept 24, 2019 9:44:18 GMT -5
Seems like momentum for impeachment is building very quickly. While Pelosi has her share of faults, her concern is 100% correct: if the votes in the Senate aren't there (and they are not), or if McConnell simply never brings this to the floor in 2020 a la Merrick Garland, it will embolden Trump to conclude he is truly above the law and can't be challenged by Congress again (re: the "Fifth Avenue" defense) While I always will side with "it could get worse" when it comes to Trump, I don't think this is a good argument. Trump already thinks he's above the law. I don't think there's a "double secret above the law" or some scheme that he's been holding on the sidelines for if he gets impeached and it fails. We've pretty much already lost the rule of law, it's not like impeaching him and McConnell sitting on it is going to change anything. If you are looking at this from a deterrence standpoint, impeachment puts more pressure on Republican Senators to constrain him.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 24, 2019 9:47:24 GMT -5
The solution to a guy acting like he's above the law is not to let him continue to act like he's above the law. The House has an obligation to act and get all the evidence of his crimes on the table.
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