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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 16, 2019 19:22:28 GMT -5
I like the part where it says the Senate restricted the investigation to not allow interviews with any of the witnesses and then declared the evidence couldn't be corroborated. Straight scumbag stuff, but totally par for the course... That's probably second to them covering up another claim of misconduct with an eyewitness. I'm sure this woman is no more credible than Christine Ford. So what's the big deal? Just another hack out to get Kavanaugh. Right, Elvado? Right?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 14:39:13 GMT -5
SMH
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Sept 20, 2019 6:57:02 GMT -5
So the President allegedly used our tax dollars to try to extort the Ukrainian Prime Minister into investigating a political opponent. I’m disgusted, but not surprised in the least. And now the Justice Department appears to be engaging in a cover-up operation to prevent Congress from investigating.
If proven true, I think it is stating the obvious that this would represent counts #1 and #2 for impeachment.
For the obstinate Republicans on the board- imagine if President Obama told a foreign leader in 2011 that to improve relations with the U.S., they needed to investigate Bain Capital and then directed Attorney General Holder to stonewall the House Republicans from investigating the conversation with the foreign leader. Tell me you would not be calling for impeachment and removal from office.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 20, 2019 7:13:35 GMT -5
I like the part where it says the Senate restricted the investigation to not allow interviews with any of the witnesses and then declared the evidence couldn't be corroborated. Straight scumbag stuff, but totally par for the course... That's probably second to them covering up another claim of misconduct with an eyewitness. I'm sure this woman is no more credible than Christine Ford. So what's the big deal? Just another hack out to get Kavanaugh. Right, Elvado? Right? Max Stier? Nuff said.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 8:34:27 GMT -5
Republicans are totally cool with bribery, extortion, or whatever else this guy wants to dish out apparently...
We'll now enter the "so what" stage where they pretend this abhorrent behavior is all good.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 20, 2019 9:28:48 GMT -5
So the President allegedly used our tax dollars to try to extort the Ukrainian Prime Minister into investigating a political opponent. I’m disgusted, but not surprised in the least. And now the Justice Department appears to be engaging in a cover-up operation to prevent Congress from investigating. If proven true, I think it is stating the obvious that this would represent counts #1 and #2 for impeachment. For the obstinate Republicans on the board- imagine if President Obama told a foreign leader in 2011 that to improve relations with the U.S., they needed to investigate Bain Capital and then directed Attorney General Holder to stonewall the House Republicans from investigating the conversation with the foreign leader. Tell me you would not be calling for impeachment and removal from office. It's usually the coverup that dooms people. This one seems pretty clear but nothing else seems to stick to trump so I'm not hopeful that this will amount to anything.
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Post by tashoya on Sept 20, 2019 9:33:29 GMT -5
So the President allegedly used our tax dollars to try to extort the Ukrainian Prime Minister into investigating a political opponent. I’m disgusted, but not surprised in the least. And now the Justice Department appears to be engaging in a cover-up operation to prevent Congress from investigating. If proven true, I think it is stating the obvious that this would represent counts #1 and #2 for impeachment. For the obstinate Republicans on the board- imagine if President Obama told a foreign leader in 2011 that to improve relations with the U.S., they needed to investigate Bain Capital and then directed Attorney General Holder to stonewall the House Republicans from investigating the conversation with the foreign leader. Tell me you would not be calling for impeachment and removal from office. It's usually the coverup that dooms people. This one seems pretty clear but nothing else seems to stick to trump so I'm not hopeful that this will amount to anything. I'd go so far as to say that, if proven true, Trump's supporters will find a way to be proud of it in the vein of, "He's not a typical politician" BS.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Sept 20, 2019 9:46:25 GMT -5
It's usually the coverup that dooms people. This one seems pretty clear but nothing else seems to stick to trump so I'm not hopeful that this will amount to anything. I'd go so far as to say that, if proven true, Trump's supporters will find a way to be proud of it in the vein of, "He's not a typical politician" BS. Based on the Giuliani interview, they already seem to be going that route.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 9:54:10 GMT -5
Trump in Oval described whistleblower as “partisan” but adds “I do not know the identity of the whistleblower.”
Trump is so overtly corrupt, but this is what happens when you have a party that's willing to downplay and make excuses for this behavior at every turn...
He feels immune, and he should because the DOJ acts like his personal attorney's, and his political and media allies will circle the wagons to defend him no matter the charge.
A POTUS leaning on the newly elected president of a smallish country that’s vulnerable to Russia to do some dirty work to help POTUS’s re-election in exchange for military assistance approved by congress should not be a thing. That probably should be something we can all agree upon.
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Post by hoyajinx on Sept 20, 2019 12:12:22 GMT -5
At this point, being a Republican/Trump supporter and being a “patriot” or someone who otherwise loves this country are absolutely mutually exclusive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 15:32:46 GMT -5
Trump is using the power of the Presidency to pressure a foreign leader who needs U.S. Aid to investigate a political opponent. How is this acceptable? It's the very definition of abuse of power.
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Post by thebin on Sept 21, 2019 9:30:55 GMT -5
At this point, being a Republican/Trump supporter and being a “patriot” or someone who otherwise loves this country are absolutely mutually exclusive. I’ll go one further. Defending/supporting Trump at this point is prima facie evidence of a treasonous disposition to the traditional tenets of the Republic. In a hundred years, if we can stop Trump from totally destroying our democracy, Moscow Mitch, et al will be remembered as Jeff Davis is now.
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Post by TC on Sept 21, 2019 9:56:34 GMT -5
At this point, being a Republican/Trump supporter and being a “patriot” or someone who otherwise loves this country are absolutely mutually exclusive. I’ll go one further. Defending/supporting Trump at this point is prima facie evidence of a treasonous disposition to the traditional tenets of the Republic. In a hundred years, if we can stop Trump from totally destroying our democracy, Moscow Mitch, et al will be remembered as Jeff Davis is now. A beloved and mythologized figure in the South?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 10:08:48 GMT -5
How is this acceptable? He withheld meetings and aid to desperate country until they agreed to do his bidding. Then he released it once he got assurances they would. The definition of abuse of power, and this is just the stuff we know. Guaranteed there will be more to come.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 10:16:24 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 21, 2019 10:44:57 GMT -5
www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/deny-divert-discredit-trump-turns-his-scandal-playbook-once-again-n1057181President Donald Trump is turning to what's become a tried-and-true pattern of defending himself against scandal in the latest controversy over a whistleblower's accusation that he made a disturbing promise to a foreign leader.
It goes like this:
Step one: Deny the reports while arguing that even if true, there is nothing wrong with what was done.
Step two: Divert attention to a subplot that implicates political rivals.
Step three: Discredit investigators by accusing those involved of a deep state or partisan witch hunt.Step 4 get the great majority of so-called Republican leaders to play along or stay quiet...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 2:26:52 GMT -5
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 22, 2019 11:14:54 GMT -5
The Sec of Treasury went on TV today and said it would be a terrible precedent for the president to follow the law. That’s where we’re at now. AOC is right, the real scandal is no longer trump’s behavior but the Dems refusal to do anything about it.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 22, 2019 12:46:15 GMT -5
The Sec of Treasury went on TV today and said it would be a terrible precedent for the president to follow the law. That’s where we’re at now. AOC is right, the real scandal is no longer trump’s behavior but the Dems refusal to do anything about it. I can't stand the Administration\Republican Politicians but I have to admit they're brilliant at changing the narrative although it does help that talking heads like Chuck Todd have a hard time staying on point... The issue is about the whistleblower complaint that was deemed credible by an Inspector General by law the complaint should have been turned over to the intelligence committees in congress within 10 days... This talk of releasing transcripts of calls is complete deflection in my view, the question that should be repeatedly asked is why is the DNI director breaking the law by holding the complaint?It's very frustrating but you're right though AOC is spot on with these tweets...
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Post by TC on Sept 22, 2019 15:30:20 GMT -5
The Sec of Treasury went on TV today and said it would be a terrible precedent for the president to follow the law. That’s where we’re at now. AOC is right, the real scandal is no longer trump’s behavior but the Dems refusal to do anything about it. AOC's take is a dumb take. The real scandal is still the guy trying to use foreign powers and taxpayer dollars as weapons of malice against political opponents. I hate it but this is a you take a shot at the king you best not miss situation. They need to get their ducks in a row before moving to impeachment, but they better start holding people like Lewandowski and Barr in contempt.
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